Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

marra2312

BloodMeridian80 said:

marra2312 said:

goblues82 said:

DKedzie said:

goblues82 said:

myoung321 said:

JK109224 said:

Imagine if you were a 700xxx-er who landed 4 awesome tickets and now has to hand them back! Talk about gutted.

“Handed back” is being nice, you mean more like ripped out of their hands 

LoL. They were never theirs to begin with. 

Nah... The tickets were theirs to begin with. TM gave them the tickets. Then took them back.
I get it... It's unfair to both sides.
If you had good seniority, but got bad (or no) seats, that's unfair.
If your seniority was less good, and got great seats, and then were taken back by TM later, that's unfair.
Bottom line... It's a sh*t show!

What did Ticketmaster actually give them? Did they have the actual tickets in their account or did they have a number in an email? 

“…those people to trust the system…And then to be told that is wrong is understandably disappointing.”

-said everyone that understands the long established priority and seniority system.

I mean, yeah, that's the point. They've screwed up a system and fucked a bunch of people over. And in doing so, they gave false hope to another bunch of people, who are now getting fucked over themselves potentially to correct the first mistake.

Both groups are right to be pissed. They are just pissed in slightly different ways.

BloodMeridian80

marra2312 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

marra2312 said:

goblues82 said:

DKedzie said:

goblues82 said:

myoung321 said:

JK109224 said:

Imagine if you were a 700xxx-er who landed 4 awesome tickets and now has to hand them back! Talk about gutted.

“Handed back” is being nice, you mean more like ripped out of their hands 

LoL. They were never theirs to begin with. 

Nah... The tickets were theirs to begin with. TM gave them the tickets. Then took them back.
I get it... It's unfair to both sides.
If you had good seniority, but got bad (or no) seats, that's unfair.
If your seniority was less good, and got great seats, and then were taken back by TM later, that's unfair.
Bottom line... It's a sh*t show!

What did Ticketmaster actually give them? Did they have the actual tickets in their account or did they have a number in an email? 

“…those people to trust the system…And then to be told that is wrong is understandably disappointing.”

-said everyone that understands the long established priority and seniority system.

I mean, yeah, that's the point. They've screwed up a system and fucked a bunch of people over. And in doing so, they gave false hope to another bunch of people, who are now getting fucked over themselves potentially to correct the first mistake.

Both groups are right to be pissed. They are just pissed in slightly different ways.

I guess I disagree that the parties were equally fucked over. But, agree everyone can be pissed if they want.

JD87070

marra2312 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

marra2312 said:

goblues82 said:

DKedzie said:

goblues82 said:

myoung321 said:

JK109224 said:

Imagine if you were a 700xxx-er who landed 4 awesome tickets and now has to hand them back! Talk about gutted.

“Handed back” is being nice, you mean more like ripped out of their hands 

LoL. They were never theirs to begin with. 

Nah... The tickets were theirs to begin with. TM gave them the tickets. Then took them back.
I get it... It's unfair to both sides.
If you had good seniority, but got bad (or no) seats, that's unfair.
If your seniority was less good, and got great seats, and then were taken back by TM later, that's unfair.
Bottom line... It's a sh*t show!

What did Ticketmaster actually give them? Did they have the actual tickets in their account or did they have a number in an email? 

“…those people to trust the system…And then to be told that is wrong is understandably disappointing.”

-said everyone that understands the long established priority and seniority system.

I mean, yeah, that's the point. They've screwed up a system and fucked a bunch of people over. And in doing so, they gave false hope to another bunch of people, who are now getting fucked over themselves potentially to correct the first mistake.

Both groups are right to be pissed. They are just pissed in slightly different ways.

Sums it up pretty well. As a newer member, i’m fine with and completely understand the seating reassignments. I mean, yeah it would suck to have been told you were getting good seats and then have them taken away, but i’d feel worse being the other way around where i know i got tickets that i didn’t really deserve.

aisleseats

I really wish they were including Austin in the relocation process. Those are some really shitty seat allocations.

dottles

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Happened to a bunch of people.  You’ll prob get an email saying they’re morons, have no idea what they’re doing, and your second set of tix were a mistake.  They’ll delete the second set from your account and refund you.

Thanks, presumed as much. 

Seems disorganisation reigns. 

I’ll wait a couple of days to hear something. Hopefully they take the seats in 203 back which were the duplicate allocation. 

JB56195

hankdiesel said:

I had Indy as #1 and only choice, reserved only.  I've received nothing.  I am keeping the fingers crossed but at this point, WHO KNOWS??  I am curious how many people had Indy as a 1st choice., if that means anything at this point.  its been 13 years since last show here.

2 out of 4 of my family had it as their #1 choice.  The wife and I had opposite St Paul shows as number 1.  Indy was #2 for us.

marra2312

BloodMeridian80 said:

marra2312 said:

BloodMeridian80 said:

marra2312 said:

goblues82 said:

DKedzie said:

goblues82 said:

myoung321 said:

JK109224 said:

Imagine if you were a 700xxx-er who landed 4 awesome tickets and now has to hand them back! Talk about gutted.

“Handed back” is being nice, you mean more like ripped out of their hands 

LoL. They were never theirs to begin with. 

Nah... The tickets were theirs to begin with. TM gave them the tickets. Then took them back.
I get it... It's unfair to both sides.
If you had good seniority, but got bad (or no) seats, that's unfair.
If your seniority was less good, and got great seats, and then were taken back by TM later, that's unfair.
Bottom line... It's a sh*t show!

What did Ticketmaster actually give them? Did they have the actual tickets in their account or did they have a number in an email? 

“…those people to trust the system…And then to be told that is wrong is understandably disappointing.”

-said everyone that understands the long established priority and seniority system.

I mean, yeah, that's the point. They've screwed up a system and fucked a bunch of people over. And in doing so, they gave false hope to another bunch of people, who are now getting fucked over themselves potentially to correct the first mistake.

Both groups are right to be pissed. They are just pissed in slightly different ways.

I guess I disagree that the parties were equally fucked over. But, agree everyone can be pissed if they want.

I don't think I (or indeed anyone else) said anywhere that both sides were equally screwed.

Just that both sides had been screwed and both sides can be pissed, as you say.

Frankly, even if someone isn't in either group affected, I think we should all be pissed. It's been a shambles that should inspire little confidence in the process in the future, for anyone. A mess for all concerned. Not a good day.

Lanternjaw

I had section 105 for St Paul 2 so hopefully I get bumped a bit closer…

I was 6 rows from the stage at MSG on 9/11 after holding those 10C tickets for 2.5+ years… lol

Figured I’d at least be in that ballpark for St Paul.

Fingers crossed I get an upgrade!

JimmyV

They weren't the closest, but I liked my Chicago 2 seats. Oh well. 

LukinTimer

Read through a few pages here, it really seems like it's a mess. I had St Paul night 2 as my first priority, and St Paul night 1 as my 3rd priority.  Didn't get either request. But several people have shared that they got both nights, with lower draw priorities. One woman said St Paul was her 3rd and 5th priority... and she got them both. Seems odd. Any one have any theories? 

Is this why people are assuming the "having to redo" seniority isn't the only reason for the redoing St Paul 1/2, CHicago 1/2 and Indy? I mean, they didn't say they were re-doing the entire draw... only seating assignemnts. This is so confusing. 

Also, I have to say that I think there were seniority seating issues in the last tour, that was done just before Covid. My husband has a very low number, and there were friends of ours who have higher numbers, even double his number, that were seated several rows in front of his seats. It happened at all of the shows he received tickets for. 

Did anyone else experience this kinnd of thing on the last tour?   

Lanternjaw

Honestly - just happy to be in the building.  Flights booked, AirBNB booked, Paisley Park tour booked.  Going to be a great weekend in Minnesota… 

artforbw

Even though it would kinda suck for people with seniority, the whole thing could be simplified by stating that the whole thing is a lottery, regardless of your membership number.
They obviously can't properly handle distributing tickets based on priority. They just screw it up, multiple times.
So just tell everyone that everyone has an equal shot at whatever type of tickets, and be done with it, and nobody can say they were promised this or that.
I was a 10C member since mid 90's, and when they played at United Center around 2006, I was thinking that I'd probably get good seats because I maintained my membership for that long, and tickets were assigned by seniority.
My seats for that show were in the second to last row in the furthest back section, and non-TenClub members were sitting in front of me.
After that I just figured their ticketing system never really works.

Hoagie Breath

Ever since the 2020 ten club sale when they partnered up with ticketmaster, this is how the lottery system has worked. 

First and foremost, this is a lottery. When you pick the shows you would like to attend, its asks you to prioritize them. Now this the hard pill that everyone seems to be having a hard time swallowing......you have to win the lottery for the show you selected to get tickets.

I repeat, you have to first win the lottery for the show, and yes there is a separate lottery drawing for each show from the fans that selected the particular show, but you have to win the lottery first.

Priority and seniority do not come into play during the lottery process. Means nothing. zip, zero. You must first win the lottery for the show you entered.

The problem is and whats causing all the confusion is no one knows if they won the lottery or not, and the winners start posting their winning seats on here. Nothing wrong with this either, but those who didn't win start freaking out about show priority, GA or reserved an so on, not knowing all along they were never going to get tickets for that show because they didn't win the lottery for it.

Now, show priority comes into effect for the winners of the lottery for that one particular show are selected.  

So to recap.

Step one is the lottery. 

Step two is show priority (more to explain on this see below)

Step 3 is when and only when seniority comes into play. Seniority doesn't mean jack shit until you made it thru the first two steps. It's as simple as that when it comes to Ten Club seniority numbers.

Ok, back to show priority and how it works.

Scenario 1:
I had DFW 1 as my first and only priority but BlahBlah got tickets to DFW 1 with priority three.
===You lost the lottery for that show and Blah Blah won the lottery,

Scenario 2:
I had CHI 1 and CHI 2  and as my first and second priorities and struck out but won AUS 1 an and DFW 2 with my third and fourth priorities. WTF ?
===You lost the lottery for both CHI 1 and CHI 2 but won the lottery for AUS 1 and DFW 2

Scenario 3:
I had AUS 1 (priority 1) and CHI 1 (priority 2) and won both, Yay! for me. Now the person from scenario 2 chimes in but wait a minute as I had CHI 1 as my first priority and lost but you won with CHI 1 as your priority 2? Thats bullshit.
===You lost the lottery for CHI 1 while Yay! won the lottery for CHI 1.  There were enough seats available after every lottery winner with priority 1 was exhausted and thrown into the ticket pool they were able to move onto people who the lottery for CHI 1 with priority 2 selected.

Scenario fouer
Well I had CHI 1 as my first priority and CHI 2 as my second. Lost out on CHI 1 but scored reserved seats for CHI 2. Seems weird, something fishy is going on. How come I didn't both?
===You lost the lottery for CHI 1 and won the lottery for CHI 2. 

Scenario five:
Well how the fuck are people getting tickets with their third, fourth, fifth, etc priorities and I got nothing.
===Some shows are more in demand than others. Seems like both CHI shows were the highest, so anyone that had them as their third priority or higher were shut out.
=== The Texas shows were less in demand and after filling the available Ten Club seats with the people that had these shows as their first and second priorities. There were enough left over to fill third priorities, fourth priorities and so on until they were out of seats. 

And this right here, scenario five, is how how show priority works. I guess it can be confusing, so I hope this helps. 

In the future, try using a little strategy when prioritizing the shows you want to see. Well all pretty much which shows are always in high demand, so rank them as number one and number two and the less demand shows can be prioritized after them.
===Well why the fuck would they do it like this ?

They do it like this to hopefully give everyone a chance to see a show. Not the same people at every show. Simple as that.

My only suggestion to fix this and stop all the confusion is to run the lottery say on day one and notify all the winners and losers. Then that way everyone knows if they're in the ticket pool or out before the seat selection begins and would make the process way more transparent. Started a thread about this here.
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297765/a-petition-to-ten-club-regarding-fan-club-tickets

I have never traveled far to see my favorite band, stuck mostly to shows within a three to four drive, and many were right in my backyard. But my backyard is Philadelphia, And these shows are always in high demand (because we are the best crowds which the band feeds of off and the shows here are always above average). So this current system is like a double edged sword, its fucking hard to score tickets thru Ten Club for people like me. Back in the old days, we would always get tickets to at least one home show thru Ten Club. You had to designate which stop on the tour was your home show. I sure as fuck would have liked to have had that option the last ten years or so after being shut out more than once in my own backyard lol. But if you want to really see a certain show, you'll get in, one way or another. Ticket drops day of the show etc. I guess this applies to those who live close to the show, pretty hard to jump on a plane and make it to a show you just scored tickets to four hours earlier. So to all those who got shut out in Chicago, you still have hope.

Lanternjaw

artforbw said:

So just tell everyone that everyone has an equal shot at whatever type of tickets, and be done with it, and nobody can say they were promised this or that.

I mean they do say it’s a lottery.  Lottery winners get seated by seniority.

I will say that every show I’ve attended with 10C tickets has gotten progressively better with the seats other than this one.  Regardless - just happy to have a couple seats in the building.  If the reassignment upgrades me then that’s just gravy… 

cifrancgx

incognitony said:

My request has unfulfilled for the status now. 

Mine does as well. The Status says "Processing Complete" and when I open it next to my request (I only put in for 2 "Reserved · Seating" tickets to the Indy show) it says "Unfulfilled".  So I guess I am out of luck.

LukinTimer

artforbw said:

Even though it would kinda suck for people with seniority, the whole thing could be simplified by stating that the whole thing is a lottery, regardless of your membership number.
They obviously can't properly handle distributing tickets based on priority. They just screw it up, multiple times.
So just tell everyone that everyone has an equal shot at whatever type of tickets, and be done with it, and nobody can say they were promised this or that.
I was a 10C member since mid 90's, and when they played at United Center around 2006, I was thinking that I'd probably get good seats because I maintained my membership for that long, and tickets were assigned by seniority.
My seats for that show were in the second to last row in the furthest back section, and non-TenClub members were sitting in front of me.
After that I just figured their ticketing system never really works.

This sounds like someone in the United Center ticket office pulled a good pair of fan club seats and swapped them for crappy seats. This has happened to a couple of people I know. They sent emails to 10c asking what happened and they let them know that was not their original ticket allocation. This was some time back. 

aisleseats

Hoagie Breath said:

Ever since the 2020 ten club sale when they partnered up with ticketmaster, this is how the lottery system has worked. 

First and foremost, this is a lottery. When you pick the shows you would like to attend, its asks you to prioritize them. Now this the hard pill that everyone seems to be having a hard time swallowing......you have to win the lottery for the show you selected to get tickets.

I repeat, you have to first win the lottery for the show, and yes there is a separate lottery drawing for each show from the fans that selected the particular show, but you have to win the lottery first.

Priority and seniority do not come into play during the lottery process. Means nothing. zip, zero. You must first win the lottery for the show you entered.

The problem is and whats causing all the confusion is no one knows if they won the lottery or not, and the winners start posting their winning seats on here. Nothing wrong with this either, but those who didn't win start freaking out about show priority, GA or reserved an so on, not knowing all along they were never going to get tickets for that show because they didn't win the lottery for it.

Now, show priority comes into effect for the winners of the lottery for that one particular show are selected.  

So to recap.

Step one is the lottery. 

Step two is show priority (more to explain on this see below)

Step 3 is when and only when seniority comes into play. Seniority doesn't mean jack shit until you made it thru the first two steps. It's as simple as that when it comes to Ten Club seniority numbers.

Ok, back to show priority and how it works.

Scenario 1:
I had DFW 1 as my first and only priority but BlahBlah got tickets to DFW 1 with priority three.
===You lost the lottery for that show and Blah Blah won the lottery,

Scenario 2:
I had CHI 1 and CHI 2  and as my first and second priorities and struck out but won AUS 1 an and DFW 2 with my third and fourth priorities. WTF ?
===You lost the lottery for both CHI 1 and CHI 2 but won the lottery for AUS 1 and DFW 2

Scenario 3:
I had AUS 1 (priority 1) and CHI 1 (priority 2) and won both, Yay! for me. Now the person from scenario 2 chimes in but wait a minute as I had CHI 1 as my first priority and lost but you won with CHI 1 as your priority 2? Thats bullshit.
===You lost the lottery for CHI 1 while Yay! won the lottery for CHI 1.  There were enough seats available after every lottery winner with priority 1 was exhausted and thrown into the ticket pool they were able to move onto people who the lottery for CHI 1 with priority 2 selected.

Scenario fouer
Well I had CHI 1 as my first priority and CHI 2 as my second. Lost out on CHI 1 but scored reserved seats for CHI 2. Seems weird, something fishy is going on. How come I didn't both?
===You lost the lottery for CHI 1 and won the lottery for CHI 2. 

Scenario five:
Well how the fuck are people getting tickets with their third, fourth, fifth, etc priorities and I got nothing.
===Some shows are more in demand than others. Seems like both CHI shows were the highest, so anyone that had them as their third priority or higher were shut out.
=== The Texas shows were less in demand and after filling the available Ten Club seats with the people that had these shows as their first and second priorities. There were enough left over to fill third priorities, fourth priorities and so on until they were out of seats. 

And this right here, scenario five, is how how show priority works. I guess it can be confusing, so I hope this helps. 

In the future, try using a little strategy when prioritizing the shows you want to see. Well all pretty much which shows are always in high demand, so rank them as number one and number two and the less demand shows can be prioritized after them.
===Well why the fuck would they do it like this ?

They do it like this to hopefully give everyone a chance to see a show. Not the same people at every show. Simple as that.

My only suggestion to fix this and stop all the confusion is to run the lottery say on day one and notify all the winners and losers. Then that way everyone knows if they're in the ticket pool or out before the seat selection begins and would make the process way more transparent. Started a thread about this here.
https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/297765/a-petition-to-ten-club-regarding-fan-club-tickets

I have never traveled far to see my favorite band, stuck mostly to shows within a three to four drive, and many were right in my backyard. But my backyard is Philadelphia, And these shows are always in high demand (because we are the best crowds which the band feeds of off and the shows here are always above average). So this current system is like a double edged sword, its fucking hard to score tickets thru Ten Club for people like me. Back in the old days, we would always get tickets to at least one home show thru Ten Club. You had to designate which stop on the tour was your home show. I sure as fuck would have liked to have had that option the last ten years or so after being shut out more than once in my own backyard lol. But if you want to really see a certain show, you'll get in, one way or another. Ticket drops day of the show etc. I guess this applies to those who live close to the show, pretty hard to jump on a plane and make it to a show you just scored tickets to four hours earlier. So to all those who got shut out in Chicago, you still have hope.

Wow. How long did it take you to type that up? lol

Good points tho

LukinTimer

Hoagie Breath said:

"First and foremost, this is a lottery. When you pick the shows you would like to attend, its asks you to prioritize them. Now this the hard pill that everyone seems to be having a hard time swallowing......you have to win the lottery for the show you selected to get tickets.

I repeat, you have to first win the lottery for the show, and yes there is a separate lottery drawing for each show from the fans that selected the particular show, but you have to win the lottery first.

Priority and seniority do not come into play during the lottery process."

So, you are saying there is a pre-lottery, lottery? Has that information every been shared in a "how ticketing works" explanation from 10c or TM? If it was, I must have missed it. 

So you're theory is that everyone who has, say... St Paul Night 1 on their list at all is put into the pre-lottery lottery, it doesn't matter what their priority selection is. Then tickets are distributed to the people who won the pre-lottery lottery based on priority. 

Huh. I guess that could be happening. But I don't think that detials has evern been shared if that is indeed the way they are doing it. (Unless i missed it.)   

Gibson

I’d take a bad seat right now over no email at all. Indy was my only show request. I didn’t opt for lawn; guess I should have.  

That’s on me. 

hankdiesel

cifrancgx said:

incognitony said:

My request has unfulfilled for the status now. 

Mine does as well. The Status says "Processing Complete" and when I open it next to my request (I only put in for 2 "Reserved · Seating" tickets to the Indy show) it says "Unfulfilled".  So I guess I am out of luck.

where would i find this information at?