Canada

100 Pacer

PJNB said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Gern Blansten said:

100 Pacer said:

JimmyV said:

100 Pacer said:

JimmyV said:

(Hey Canada...this thread was supposed to be a celebration of you. That it has descended into a discussion of Covid regulations and testing requirements is your own fault. Boo.)

We hang our heads in shame.

I still like you guys. 

If we just had Cracker Barrel it would be perfect.

You've got Swiss Chalet though...

Just looked up Swiss Chalet.   Might have to make a stop to try it out.

Decent side ribs and rotisserie chicken. Nothing crazy though. Fries are good too. 

^^^This.

Would still prefer Cracker Barrel.

Gern Blansten

100 Pacer said:

PJNB said:

JeBurkhardt said:

Gern Blansten said:

100 Pacer said:

JimmyV said:

100 Pacer said:

JimmyV said:

(Hey Canada...this thread was supposed to be a celebration of you. That it has descended into a discussion of Covid regulations and testing requirements is your own fault. Boo.)

We hang our heads in shame.

I still like you guys. 

If we just had Cracker Barrel it would be perfect.

You've got Swiss Chalet though...

Just looked up Swiss Chalet.   Might have to make a stop to try it out.

Decent side ribs and rotisserie chicken. Nothing crazy though. Fries are good too. 

^^^This.

Would still prefer Cracker Barrel.

same....we passed so may of them on our way from Detroit to London, ON a few years back I just had to stop at one.

The poutine gravy was too generic in my opinion. Good chicken though.

RatherStarved

In Quebec, instead of Swiss Chalet, there’s St Hubert.  I like that one more, though both are good.  

BF89905

JimmyV said:

(Hey Canada...this thread was supposed to be a celebration of you. That it has descended into a discussion of Covid regulations and testing requirements is your own fault. Boo.)

Covid protections..... There's a little more 'we' than 'me' up here. Be well, everyone

JimmyV

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

BF89905

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Common sense is always good.... Take care 

RatherStarved

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

distant shores

3 of 4 here! 

D-Rod

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

If you have eaten at Swiss Chalet you are immune to Covid-19,  small pox and syphilis.  

Zod

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Yah I don't get it either.  Covid is everywhere, most people don't seem to have too many problems when the contract it.   It's rampant on both sides of the border.  Random testing doesn't do anything.

I feel like they should scrap it and the arrivecan app.

I'm not so Naive that I don't reserve the right to change my mind of we get some super horrible strain of Covid, but if it keeps on being the same thing I don't see the need for all the hoops.

PJALK

Zod said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Yah I don't get it either.  Covid is everywhere, most people don't seem to have too many problems when the contract it.   It's rampant on both sides of the border.  Random testing doesn't do anything.

I feel like they should scrap it and the arrivecan app.

I'm not so Naive that I don't reserve the right to change my mind of we get some super horrible strain of Covid, but if it keeps on being the same thing I don't see the need for all the hoops.

You are 100% right 

Lerxst1992

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

PJNB

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Lerxst1992

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Thanks, I submitted my question.

I get that they are trying to track variants. But trapping short stay visitors with no option to leave plus ten days hotel plus meals is a huge penalty, and doesn't do a thing to keep the country safer. And is a risk to my employment. 

(The testing helps science, but they're allowing me to see the show with 20k fans, so whats gained by trapping visitors?)

rival9500

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Thanks, I submitted my question.

I get that they are trying to track variants. But trapping short stay visitors with no option to leave plus ten days hotel plus meals is a huge penalty, and doesn't do a thing to keep the country safer. And is a risk to my employment. 

(The testing helps science, but they're allowing me to see the show with 20k fans, so whats gained by trapping visitors?)

My plans are the same as yours timing wise.  Looking forward to hearing their answer.

Lerxst1992

rival9500 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Thanks, I submitted my question.

I get that they are trying to track variants. But trapping short stay visitors with no option to leave plus ten days hotel plus meals is a huge penalty, and doesn't do a thing to keep the country safer. And is a risk to my employment. 

(The testing helps science, but they're allowing me to see the show with 20k fans, so whats gained by trapping visitors?)

My plans are the same as yours timing wise.  Looking forward to hearing their answer.

So far, just a generic “we have so many emails so it could delayed” response. This policy is so unreasonable, it requires more detailed information on their govt site that is just not there. Tracking variants is important, but is that really worth imprisoning innocent visitors and fining them thousands of dollars in hotels and per diem and loss of ability to earn money  ? Why is there no option to get in my car and leave peacefully if I test positive? I can roam free among twenty thousand PJ fans, but afterwards be required to a ten day quarantine? Beyond unreasonable.

Canada clearly doesn’t  want visitors post Covid, a little taste of trumpism north of the border. But they want to appear as if they are reasonably allowing visitors. The more I consider this, the more unreasonable this policy appears.

So the simple fix for me is to not cross the border Friday evening. I want to visit parliament (outside) before the show, take some pics, and get a nice flavor of our former peaceful neighbor to the north. I can still do that if I cross Saturday morning, cancel my Friday night Ottawa hotel, and stay in northern NYS. Great move for your economy, Canada! Since testing is not required until 11.59 PM on day two of visits, I’ll be back in the peaceful confines of my beloved and peaceful America by then and happily comply with testing from there.

JimmyV

Canadian friends...any insight on this? How has it worked for visitors you know? 

JimmyV

"If you’re selected for a mandatory arrival test, you’re under a legal obligation to take the test within the required timeframe. If you don't comply, you may face fines, or other enforcement measures."

I feel like if "other enforcement measures" meant preventing Americans from leaving, it would be big news by now. 

HughFreakingDillon

I would imagine the measure would be the opposite: forced ejection from the country at your expense. 

JimmyV

From the U.S. Embassy. This doesn't read to me like Americans are in danger of being detained. Would think there would be a warning here if they were.

Important Information on Entry to Canada

All travelers eligible to enter Canada must submit contact and travel information in the ArriveCAN system within 72 hours before arrival to Canada. Fully vaccinated travelers must also enter their proof of vaccination.

Fully vaccinated travelers do not need to provide a pre-entry COVID-19 test result to enter Canada by air, land, or water. Please review recent changes here.

For additional information on travel for fully vaccinated U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, please click here.

steven87

Lerxst1992 said:

rival9500 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Thanks, I submitted my question.

I get that they are trying to track variants. But trapping short stay visitors with no option to leave plus ten days hotel plus meals is a huge penalty, and doesn't do a thing to keep the country safer. And is a risk to my employment. 

(The testing helps science, but they're allowing me to see the show with 20k fans, so whats gained by trapping visitors?)

My plans are the same as yours timing wise.  Looking forward to hearing their answer.

So far, just a generic “we have so many emails so it could delayed” response. This policy is so unreasonable, it requires more detailed information on their govt site that is just not there. Tracking variants is important, but is that really worth imprisoning innocent visitors and fining them thousands of dollars in hotels and per diem and loss of ability to earn money  ? Why is there no option to get in my car and leave peacefully if I test positive? I can roam free among twenty thousand PJ fans, but afterwards be required to a ten day quarantine? Beyond unreasonable.

Canada clearly doesn’t  want visitors post Covid, a little taste of trumpism north of the border. But they want to appear as if they are reasonably allowing visitors. The more I consider this, the more unreasonable this policy appears.

So the simple fix for me is to not cross the border Friday evening. I want to visit parliament (outside) before the show, take some pics, and get a nice flavor of our former peaceful neighbor to the north. I can still do that if I cross Saturday morning, cancel my Friday night Ottawa hotel, and stay in northern NYS. Great move for your economy, Canada! Since testing is not required until 11.59 PM on day two of visits, I’ll be back in the peaceful confines of my beloved and peaceful America by then and happily comply with testing from there.

I’m doing something similar. I’m driving up early Saturday morning, staying over in Ottawa that night, and then driving back the next morning. It does look like though that if you are randomly selected for a test and test positive, you can still hopefully (with the permission of a quarantine officer) leave the country and go back to the US if you are driving by car. See the answer to the last question in the link below:

https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/isolation

HughFreakingDillon

Lerxst1992 said:

rival9500 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PJNB said:

Lerxst1992 said:

RatherStarved said:

JimmyV said:

I think most of us who share a sense of common sense are fine with a little more we than me, especially these days. I just want it to make sense, and it is unclear if those regulations really do. 

Bingo.  Even public health experts in Canada question the purpose of the random testing.  It’s bureaucracy at this point.  And I bubbled and masked and vaxxed as much as anyone.  

Has anyone figured out the short stay requirements? 

I'm entering Canada day 1 at night, testing and seeing PJ day 2, and getting test results day 3 or later? I'm on my way home by 11am day 3.

Can I just turn off my phone and leave that morning? Or, can I just not test until I get home day 3?

Thats actually safer for everyone in Canada if I happen to test positive. 

https://health.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/contact-us.html

Scroll to the bottom click 

Covid 19

Travel and Quarantine Requirements. 

You can ask here and they should get back to you in a couple of days hopefully. 

Thanks, I submitted my question.

I get that they are trying to track variants. But trapping short stay visitors with no option to leave plus ten days hotel plus meals is a huge penalty, and doesn't do a thing to keep the country safer. And is a risk to my employment. 

(The testing helps science, but they're allowing me to see the show with 20k fans, so whats gained by trapping visitors?)

My plans are the same as yours timing wise.  Looking forward to hearing their answer.

So far, just a generic “we have so many emails so it could delayed” response. This policy is so unreasonable, it requires more detailed information on their govt site that is just not there. Tracking variants is important, but is that really worth imprisoning innocent visitors and fining them thousands of dollars in hotels and per diem and loss of ability to earn money  ? Why is there no option to get in my car and leave peacefully if I test positive? I can roam free among twenty thousand PJ fans, but afterwards be required to a ten day quarantine? Beyond unreasonable.

Canada clearly doesn’t  want visitors post Covid, a little taste of trumpism north of the border. But they want to appear as if they are reasonably allowing visitors. The more I consider this, the more unreasonable this policy appears.

So the simple fix for me is to not cross the border Friday evening. I want to visit parliament (outside) before the show, take some pics, and get a nice flavor of our former peaceful neighbor to the north. I can still do that if I cross Saturday morning, cancel my Friday night Ottawa hotel, and stay in northern NYS. Great move for your economy, Canada! Since testing is not required until 11.59 PM on day two of visits, I’ll be back in the peaceful confines of my beloved and peaceful America by then and happily comply with testing from there.

I don't see it as Trumpism. I see it as beaurocracy. We seem farily slow at catching up to logic post(present) covid and changing policy that flows with the science. 

100 Pacer

Honestly you’re overthinking it:

If you’re an American with proof of vaccination crossing for a day or three or five odds are you won’t be bothered for a test. Drive up and enjoy the show/s and don’t be anxious. 

Lerxst1992

100 Pacer said:

Honestly you’re overthinking it:

If you’re an American with proof of vaccination crossing for a day or three or five odds are you won’t be bothered for a test. Drive up and enjoy the show/s and don’t be anxious. 

I agree and a very likely scenario is a border agent would lol with me about it once I disclose I’d be leaving in 3 days. But, very important info could have been disclosed by the govt to alleviate these concerns. The Canadian govt are saying our lives are not important enough for minimal consideration of adequate disclosure 

And the penalty for playing the odds is significant. Some of us, whether getting screwed by the odds in our lives for health or career or other things, see cost instead of benefit when trying to successfully game the system, for which so many are successful. I am hopeful my solution of spending one night in NYS to keep my stay under 48 hours eliminates this potential huge penalty.

Sorry for hurting what should be a celebratory vibe. I look forward to a hopefully incredible show in a beautiful capital city with incredible fans

D-Rod

100 Pacer said:

Honestly you’re overthinking it:

If you’re an American with proof of vaccination crossing for a day or three or five odds are you won’t be bothered for a test. Drive up and enjoy the show/s and don’t be anxious. 

Your odds are 1 in 20 you will be tested or 19 in 20 that you won’t be required to test.   Take the 95% and run with it.  

Falling Down

100 Pacer said:

Honestly you’re overthinking it:

If you’re an American with proof of vaccination crossing for a day or three or five odds are you won’t be bothered for a test. Drive up and enjoy the show/s and don’t be anxious. 

Right on point. Way too much overthinking here, even though I fully understand the concerns given how vague and random the rules are. The timing of the four Canadian shows is just perfect. Weather will be great, unless it's Indian summer and you hate the heat (if you know what I mean). 

RatherStarved

The odds of being selected have nothing to do with where you’re coming from or how long you’re staying.  It’s a pure 1/20 lottery.  

The strategy of arriving and departing before the testing deadline (i.e. the one night stay) seems to make sense.  As a matter of fact as a Canadian returning to Canada between two US shows I might have to consider this strategy myself.  

JimmyV

I haven't done this in a while, but do we even talk to a border agent from the country we are leaving when crossing the U.S./Canada border by car? On the way in, yes, but on the way out?

100 Pacer

JimmyV said:

I haven't done this in a while, but do we even talk to a border agent from the country we are leaving when crossing the U.S./Canada border by car? On the way in, yes, but on the way out?

You’re speaking to Canada customs when you enter Canada and you’re speaking to US customs when you enter the States. No one prior.

JimmyV

100 Pacer said:

JimmyV said:

I haven't done this in a while, but do we even talk to a border agent from the country we are leaving when crossing the U.S./Canada border by car? On the way in, yes, but on the way out?

You’re speaking to Canada customs when you enter Canada and you’re speaking to US customs when you enter the States. No one prior.

Bingo. That's what I thought. So no Canadian authority is going to be checking whether or not you even took your random test on the way out, positive or negative result.