Be interesting to see what happens with London and Amsterdam back to back shows
If I remember this correctly, they played Alive and Evenflow at back-to-back shows at Ohana. I thought it was odd they wouldn't just swap in Jeremy or something if they were looking to "play the hits" or play something they didn't need to rehearse.
I've been to back to back shows before and while there are repeats if I remember correctly not many, be interesting to see if that's still the case
You know what would be fun? Instead of doing one of these album tours that every band does, have a tour where the nightly setlist is just randomly generated from the master song list. Your odds of hearing Evenflow are the same as Sweet Lew.
Say what you want about third eye blind, they change their setlist and play over 3 hours
I just looked at setlistfm and their last show was 21 songs and they have only 27 songs total in their rotation for the tour.
Sad that I honestly don’t know if you’re talking about Third eye blind or PJ right now.
I was talking about shitty band, third eye blind.
Interesting alot of comparisons are to TEB and Sir Paul, to me the big comparison is to the Grateful Dead, PJ worked hard for years to build that level mystique. Yes they owe us nothing except their best effort when they charge money for shows. What’s challenging is some are getting 20 song sets with three covers , and others getting 23 with none. Oh well.
But if the Dead changed it up, it would have been discussed by their fans endlessly, which is what we are doing. It’s a significant change for the fans. The Jerry tragedy in his fifties is a good example of possibly wanting to scale things back a bit. But Bob, Mickey and Bill are still doing the long shows well into their seventies.
The Dead changed it up a lot but there were a lot of repeats etc. While set list wise the Dead might be a good road map for PJ but I am glad that is all they are really influenced by because touring destroyed that band and pretty much killed Jerry. He surrounded himself with terrible people who always needed him and he never took care of himself because he was always pressured to do something because so many people relied on him for a paycheck. Kind of sounds familiar to something that recently happened huh?
It’s very tricky bringing up the Jerry comparison because it ended in such a tragedy, and the expectations placed on him or him on himself turned out to be terrible.
But looking at yesterdays set list, four hours with a 30 minute break, holy cow.
Seen a few people cite McCartney as an example of what the band could be doing. You all are aware Paul plays the same set every night, right?
Petty and the HB maybe swapped out 2-3 songs per show but for the last 20-25 years of their career (apart from the residencies) it was New Album and the Hits.
Springsteen/E St mix it up a bit but it’s mostly the newest stuff (or whatever anniversary record they’re touring) and the hits.
See a pattern? Pearl Jam, like many of the greatest bands of all time — their primary influences and peers — is playing new material, their well-known songs, and a few odds and ends. They may mix it up more down the road, they may not!
Oh, and for the “why so much Ten?!” crowd: maybe because the band was stuck at home like the rest of us, uncertain what shows would look like in the coming years, when that landmark album’s 30th anniversary came and went without an opportunity to celebrate. Maybe they’re playing those songs because it’s an important record to the band? Not every decision they make has to be for us.
Great answer for “why so much ten” and you’re probably correct.
I have been to 17 shows and I am one Release away from hearing Ten in full 4 times. I love Ten. It is what got this band popular. I love their other 10 albums as well though. As a fan that loves to hear new songs and certain songs that get little playtime having sets Ten heavy cuts into those songs.
That’s my opinion for what kind of sets that I enjoy and I am not sure why people find that weird or a negative comment. If the sets going forward are not my style I will still go see the best band in the world just a bit less. If these sets are good for you that’s great too. I hope you go to more!
Edit: I would like to add that this is coming from someone that is doing 10 plus shows this year too. I picked a hell of a year to do so many. If I was only doing 1 or 2 shows my opinion likely would be very different.
"Heavily" is relative. I was listening to Jones Beach 2000 and it has 2 Ten songs. It has been in heavy rotation over the last decade. You are guaranteed Porch, Even Flow and Alive every night. You are probably going to get one of black and Jeremy as well as one of Once and Why Go. Probably 1-2 of the 5 remaining songs not for certain played. It has been like that since the 2013 tour. And that's okay. It's also what a large majority of the fanbase (probably not the posting Ten Club members) want to hear.
They also don't change up those every night songs even if they are playing back to back nights in the same venue. It has been like that forever. It's not a recent development in 21-22.
I do wish they would sample from more of their catalogue. I would also like a guaranteed 5-6 Gigaton songs minimum every night. This is the Gigaton tour. It is likely you won't hear many of them very often after this tour.
Be lucky they are still touring. This is not the first fanbase that has had to deal with significant shifts in the music of the band they follow. It will also not be the last. If it's your time, move on.
You were guaranteed Evenflow and Alive every night before this tour. Everything else used to swap in and out. Even Porch, which would get played one night and be replaced by RVM the next.
I have been to 17 shows and I am one Release away from hearing Ten in full 4 times. I love Ten. It is what got this band popular. I love their other 10 albums as well though. As a fan that loves to hear new songs and certain songs that get little playtime having sets Ten heavy cuts into those songs.
That’s my opinion for what kind of sets that I enjoy and I am not sure why people find that weird or a negative comment. If the sets going forward are not my style I will still go see the best band in the world just a bit less. If these sets are good for you that’s great too. I hope you go to more!
Edit: I would like to add that this is coming from someone that is doing 10 plus shows this year too. I picked a hell of a year to do so many. If I was only doing 1 or 2 shows my opinion likely would be very different.
I have been to 17 shows and I am one Release away from hearing Ten in full 4 times. I love Ten. It is what got this band popular. I love their other 10 albums as well though. As a fan that loves to hear new songs and certain songs that get little playtime having sets Ten heavy cuts into those songs.
That’s my opinion for what kind of sets that I enjoy and I am not sure why people find that weird or a negative comment. If the sets going forward are not my style I will still go see the best band in the world just a bit less. If these sets are good for you that’s great too. I hope you go to more!
Edit: I would like to add that this is coming from someone that is doing 10 plus shows this year too. I picked a hell of a year to do so many. If I was only doing 1 or 2 shows my opinion likely would be very different.
Spectrum 2003 was my 17th show.
Did they dedicate You Are to you? Looks like a great set.
I may be in the extreme minority, but I prefer shorter shows to longer ones. Longer ones can be (although aren't necessarily) indulgent. Shorter ones can't be.
I spent years - years - complaining about Tragically Hip setlists - how the shows were too short, how the band didn't vary the songs enough, blah blah blah blah blah. Today, I'd give a fucking kidney to see the shortest, blandest Tragically Hip show imaginable. And I've only got one kidney. So.
I dunno. I guess I'm just grateful for the fact that these guys are still out there, y'know? We've lost the Hip, Soundgarden/Chris Cornell, Tom Petty and Taylor Hawkins (potentially along with his main band) in the past few years. I'm not suggesting that those of you raising perfectly valid questions about the setlists aren't grateful, by the way. This is just how I choose to look at it.
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I may be in the extreme minority, but I prefer shorter shows to longer ones. Longer ones can be (although aren't necessarily) indulgent. Shorter ones can't be.
I spent years - years - complaining about Tragically Hip setlists - how the shows were too short, how the band didn't vary the songs enough, blah blah blah blah blah. Today, I'd give a fucking kidney to see the shortest, blandest Tragically Hip show imaginable. And I've only got one kidney. So.
I dunno. I guess I'm just grateful for the fact that these guys are still out there, y'know? We've lost the Hip, Soundgarden/Chris Cornell, Tom Petty and Taylor Hawkins (potentially along with his main band) in the past few years. I'm not suggesting that those of you raising perfectly valid questions about the setlists aren't grateful, by the way. This is just how I choose to look at it.
You were guaranteed Evenflow and Alive every night before this tour. Everything else used to swap in and out. Even Porch, which would get played one night and be replaced by RVM the next.
If one goes through the setlists I think one will see that Porch is pretty much as given as Alive and Evenflow.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I could look past the shorter sets. It’s harder to look past the lack of variety for me personally. 23-26 would be perfection. But these sets need more variety desperately.
16 song set 4-5 song encore 3-5 song encore 2 depending on how they feel
this format would help it feel more like what we’re used to. The current format you’re almost guaranteed to not get any acoustic gems.
I could look past the shorter sets. It’s harder to look past the lack of variety for me personally. 23-26 would be perfection. But these sets need more variety desperately.
16 song set 4-5 song encore 3-5 song encore 2 depending on how they feel
this format would help it feel more like what we’re used to. The current format you’re almost guaranteed to not get any acoustic gems.
That's a great point but also an indicator that this format is likely temporary. They aren't going to just abandon many of those songs.
I have been to 17 shows and I am one Release away from hearing Ten in full 4 times. I love Ten. It is what got this band popular. I love their other 10 albums as well though. As a fan that loves to hear new songs and certain songs that get little playtime having sets Ten heavy cuts into those songs.
That’s my opinion for what kind of sets that I enjoy and I am not sure why people find that weird or a negative comment. If the sets going forward are not my style I will still go see the best band in the world just a bit less. If these sets are good for you that’s great too. I hope you go to more!
Edit: I would like to add that this is coming from someone that is doing 10 plus shows this year too. I picked a hell of a year to do so many. If I was only doing 1 or 2 shows my opinion likely would be very different.
Spectrum 2003 was my 17th show.
Did they dedicate You Are to you? Looks like a great set.
They they did. Could Be the loudest crowd I ve ever heard. It was deafening bud.
I could look past the shorter sets. It’s harder to look past the lack of variety for me personally. 23-26 would be perfection. But these sets need more variety desperately.
16 song set 4-5 song encore 3-5 song encore 2 depending on how they feel
this format would help it feel more like what we’re used to. The current format you’re almost guaranteed to not get any acoustic gems.
That's a great point but also an indicator that this format is likely temporary. They aren't going to just abandon many of those songs.
I could look past the shorter sets. It’s harder to look past the lack of variety for me personally. 23-26 would be perfection. But these sets need more variety desperately.
16 song set 4-5 song encore 3-5 song encore 2 depending on how they feel
this format would help it feel more like what we’re used to. The current format you’re almost guaranteed to not get any acoustic gems.
That's a great point but also an indicator that this format is likely temporary. They aren't going to just abandon many of those songs.
I’m not so confident about that anymore.
Yeah, I think the setlist change is related to age and age related issues. If they find they can play 23 songs a night with 20 minutes of story time and still sellout 20 shows a year, that is probably what we will get going forward.
So I guess they're only gonna play 20ish songs at MSG, right?
Probably 23-25, but theres no indication that MSG, or any of the fall shows, will be any different from the first 10 or so shows we have seen this year
I would assume that this is the new format going forward until they prove otherwise
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The 15 staples are the better ones for Eddie's voice because the crowd sing as loud as they can.. So maybe there is that.
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But if the Dead changed it up, it would have been discussed by their fans endlessly, which is what we are doing. It’s a significant change for the fans. The Jerry tragedy in his fifties is a good example of possibly wanting to scale things back a bit. But Bob, Mickey and Bill are still doing the long shows well into their seventies.
But looking at yesterdays set list, four hours with a 30 minute break, holy cow.
The difference now though compared to the last two decades is how much percentage of the show is off of Ten.
Edit: I would like to add that this is coming from someone that is doing 10 plus shows this year too. I picked a hell of a year to do so many. If I was only doing 1 or 2 shows my opinion likely would be very different.
They also don't change up those every night songs even if they are playing back to back nights in the same venue. It has been like that forever. It's not a recent development in 21-22.
I do wish they would sample from more of their catalogue. I would also like a guaranteed 5-6 Gigaton songs minimum every night. This is the Gigaton tour. It is likely you won't hear many of them very often after this tour.
Be lucky they are still touring. This is not the first fanbase that has had to deal with significant shifts in the music of the band they follow. It will also not be the last. If it's your time, move on.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
- I may be in the extreme minority, but I prefer shorter shows to longer ones. Longer ones can be (although aren't necessarily) indulgent. Shorter ones can't be.
- I spent years - years - complaining about Tragically Hip setlists - how the shows were too short, how the band didn't vary the songs enough, blah blah blah blah blah. Today, I'd give a fucking kidney to see the shortest, blandest Tragically Hip show imaginable. And I've only got one kidney. So.
I dunno. I guess I'm just grateful for the fact that these guys are still out there, y'know? We've lost the Hip, Soundgarden/Chris Cornell, Tom Petty and Taylor Hawkins (potentially along with his main band) in the past few years. I'm not suggesting that those of you raising perfectly valid questions about the setlists aren't grateful, by the way. This is just how I choose to look at it."...I changed by not changing at all..."
4-5 song encore
3-5 song encore 2 depending on how they feel
this format would help it feel more like what we’re used to. The current format you’re almost guaranteed to not get any acoustic gems.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I would assume that this is the new format going forward until they prove otherwise
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2021: Asbury Park / Ohana Encore 1 / Ohana Encore 2
2022: Phoenix / LA I / LA II / Quebec City / Ottawa / New York City / Camden / Nashville / St. Louis / Denver
2023: St. Paul II
So maybe there is that.
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