Fan to Fan Ticket Exchange

Lerxst1992

given2fly23 said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

That's like saying the Dems are a party to the GOP's destruction of democracy.  Of course 10C/PJ are a part of the process, but I trust that they are fighting TM/LiveNation tooth and nail to get the most tickets possible in the hands of real fans at the lowest price possible.  I'm sure PJ still wishes tickets were $20, that doesn't mean they can make that happen.  It's a negotiation.  If you don't trust that they are fighting for their members (and that matters to you), then you shouldn't be giving them your money.  I'm not sure what you are looking for here.  Remember 1995?  TM/LN's monopoly has only grown stronger since then.  A big band's options are as follows:

1. Tour with TM/LN.

2. Don't tour.

That's it. Take your pick.

3. Allow fans to sell back tickets at any price up to face value at any time.




Limiting when F2F opens and not allowing fans to reduce their resale price is extraordinarily concerning because its an anti competitive pricing strategy aimed to artificially inflate prices.

PJ had the resources to negotiate a fairer agreement with TM, if they had any interest in selling tickets at FAIR market value.

cmalisze

heartofadog said:

However much involvement you think the band has in the Ticketmaster F2F onsale, I assure you the moderators of the message board have none whatsoever. Not sure what @ ing them does apart from allowing you to misdirect your frustration.

In terms of ticket pricing and the monopoly TM/LN have on venues, have folks forgotten what happened when the band tried to tour without TM? The landscape was less monopolized then than it is now and it was a nightmare, for band and for many fans. 

You're right....asking for answers from representation of the band to its fan club is an absurd thought particularly when asking them on the fan club's platform which they manage. 

JimmyV

Not knowing all the particulars or all the players, agreeing to $5,000 ticket prices and negotiating f2f windows seem like things that high level management and the band agree to. I don't think the fan club has all that much involvement, so I try to separate 10c somewhat from these criticisms. I do think 10c deserves all the credit in the world for the ticket lottery we just had as I thought all of those returned tickets would be platinum. 

AP238641

This is an email I received from TM when asking about the timing of the F2F exchange (sale). 

So TM is basically saying PJ Tour organizer will give TM the go ahead to open the F2F exchange. 

bbiggs

AP238641 said:

This is an email I received from TM when asking about the timing of the F2F exchange (sale). 

So TM is basically saying PJ Tour organizer will give TM the go ahead to open the F2F exchange. 

Certainly contradicts the theory that TM is the only one with a say in this. 

cmalisze

bbiggs said:

AP238641 said:

This is an email I received from TM when asking about the timing of the F2F exchange (sale). 

So TM is basically saying PJ Tour organizer will give TM the go ahead to open the F2F exchange. 

Certainly contradicts the theory that TM is the only one with a say in this. 

But it was me acting out of turn making "assumptions" of how these agreements work. If nobody takes the blame is there really any blame to place then? They surely would be running to take the credit.......

JimmyV

I continue to not know the particulars or who has agreed to what. 

cmalisze

JimmyV said:

I continue to not know the particulars or who has agreed to what. 

Nor will we ever know the exact particulars.....however as the old saying goes...."don't piss on my back and tell me it is rain".....this is exactly how this all feels....

Lerxst1992

AP238641 said:

This is an email I received from TM when asking about the timing of the F2F exchange (sale). 

So TM is basically saying PJ Tour organizer will give TM the go ahead to open the F2F exchange. 

Its likely they are referring to the underwriter/ promoter,  which is Live Nation, who is the company that owns TM

tombellanca

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

JimmyV

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

A pool for any fan to buy. 

cmalisze

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

Currently you aren't able to sell them at all.........

wall232

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

You could just log onto your friends phone with your TM account and download the tickets into his wallet.

tombellanca

wall232 said:

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

You could just log onto your friends phone with your TM account and download the tickets into his wallet.

interesting idea...thanks.

given2fly23

Lerxst1992 said:

AP238641 said:

This is an email I received from TM when asking about the timing of the F2F exchange (sale). 

So TM is basically saying PJ Tour organizer will give TM the go ahead to open the F2F exchange. 

Its likely they are referring to the underwriter/ promoter,  which is Live Nation, who is the company that owns TM

Exactly.

given2fly23

Lerxst1992 said:

given2fly23 said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

That's like saying the Dems are a party to the GOP's destruction of democracy.  Of course 10C/PJ are a part of the process, but I trust that they are fighting TM/LiveNation tooth and nail to get the most tickets possible in the hands of real fans at the lowest price possible.  I'm sure PJ still wishes tickets were $20, that doesn't mean they can make that happen.  It's a negotiation.  If you don't trust that they are fighting for their members (and that matters to you), then you shouldn't be giving them your money.  I'm not sure what you are looking for here.  Remember 1995?  TM/LN's monopoly has only grown stronger since then.  A big band's options are as follows:

1. Tour with TM/LN.

2. Don't tour.

That's it. Take your pick.

3. Allow fans to sell back tickets at any price up to face value at any time.

Limiting when F2F opens and not allowing fans to reduce their resale price is extraordinarily concerning because its an anti competitive pricing strategy aimed to artificially inflate prices.

PJ had the resources to negotiate a fairer agreement with TM, if they had any interest in selling tickets at FAIR market value.

Were you there?  If so, please enlighten us on how the negotiations went down.  As to your second sentence...yeah, no kidding, "anti-competitive" is TicketMaster's entire business model!  They are the ones who want to throttle ticket sales to jack up demand/prices.  So absurd that fans IN THE TEN CLUB think 10C has it out for them.  Why do you continue to pay your membership fee then?  Up until 2020, there were NO TRANSFERS allowed for 10C tickets (other than your +1 at the 2018 ballpark shows).  Remember?  You either attended or ate your tickets.

D-Rod

tombellanca said:

wall232 said:

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

You could just log onto your friends phone with your TM account and download the tickets into his wallet.

interesting idea...thanks.

That’s what I did 

Zod

wall232 said:

tombellanca said:

From the fan2fan EV experience - am I able to sell my extras to a friend?  Or am I just putting into a pool of tickets for any fan to buy?

You could just log onto your friends phone with your TM account and download the tickets into his wallet.

yah while they appear to be locked down there seem to be two major weak points in the system:

1) The email you get after you win, that has the link you click to put the tickets onto your TM account.  It doesn't seem to matter whose TM account those tickets get linked to.  So you have the ability to give them to a friend at that point.

2) The afore mentioned log into your TM account on your friends phone, and click download to our wallet on your tickets.  This will put the tickets in your friends Google or Apple wallet.  

For a locked down system, those are two fairly significant weak points in the system

If you do the formal F2F thing, then it goes into a general pool, so you need to line that up with your friend so they can snag them at that precise time.  

AP238641

I am fine with the process. I would just like a little more clarity on the date the F2F will open, so I can make sure to post the tickets. Remember some states do not apply to the restrictions on transfers. Colorado and New York shows CAN transfer tickets. I think Illinois might be an exempt state as well. 
I think the 10C is the best fan club out there with consistent efforts to make sure fans get tickets at a reasonable price. These events are an anomaly... They are rescheduled from 2 years ago. There are bound to be hiccups.

mpedone

I am curious about the need to blame PJ for all of this. To what end? Let's say everyone agrees that this was the band's decision. What then?