Fan to Fan Ticket Exchange

cmalisze

I also say that if, as fans, we have been so quick to credit and throw flowers at the feet of the band and the Ten Club for how past tickets have been managed (low prices/best locations/NO PJ Premium) then how all of the sudden can we say the Ten Club has nothing to do with this. Either they have control (like we all thought for many years prior to 2022) or they don't (which many come to their defense to protect.) 

Which is it? 

AB658524

Salt_life23 said:

It really sucks, I have 3 tickets I would love to dump on F2F for other people to scoop up. We have spent good money for these just for TM to be so controlling over our ticket property. 

Agree My schedule works better for September shows which I would exchange in a minute but I can make Phoenix in May work if I really need to-hell Phoenix and Vegas were my last picks so I never thought I would end up with those shows anyway.   Just sucks they are taking so long considering some of us need flights and hotels of which both phoenix and Vegas I would need to do and I dont want to be holding the bag on a flight last minute either

AB658524

Just looking up my tix on ticketmaster and this premium ticketing has some crazy high prices... sheesh- My exact row of seats rolling for $850 each.  Damn TM!

apirk72

cmalisze said:

I also say that if, as fans, we have been so quick to credit and throw flowers at the feet of the band and the Ten Club for how past tickets have been managed (low prices/best locations/NO PJ Premium) then how all of the sudden can we say the Ten Club has nothing to do with this. Either they have control (like we all thought for many years prior to 2022) or they don't (which many come to their defense to protect.) 

Which is it? 

Things are never as black and white as we all would like to think and things are constantly changing.  They may have had more control in the past then they do now, it might be the same.  The fact is probably no one here really knows but it is really easy to pick a side to blame, as long as we don't have to  blame ourselves.

PB11041

I can't remember if the fan to fan was done directly through the ticketmaster portal or if there was a special setup in 2020, but if not then it is clear that it won't open until two weeks before each show date.  I have Wilco tickets this month, I can sell my night one tickets but my other tickets are still for 15 days from now.

cmalisze

apirk72 said:

cmalisze said:

I also say that if, as fans, we have been so quick to credit and throw flowers at the feet of the band and the Ten Club for how past tickets have been managed (low prices/best locations/NO PJ Premium) then how all of the sudden can we say the Ten Club has nothing to do with this. Either they have control (like we all thought for many years prior to 2022) or they don't (which many come to their defense to protect.) 

Which is it? 

Things are never as black and white as we all would like to think and things are constantly changing.  They may have had more control in the past then they do now, it might be the same.  The fact is probably no one here really knows but it is really easy to pick a side to blame, as long as we don't have to  blame ourselves.

Agreed 100% which is why I blame both. Difference being is this is new to PJ and not TM. Also I find it so interesting how quick some are to protect and/or blame. I'm subjective. Still the best band there ever was. Anyone with Oakland GA. Lol

JimmyV

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

cmalisze said:

I also say that if, as fans, we have been so quick to credit and throw flowers at the feet of the band and the Ten Club for how past tickets have been managed (low prices/best locations/NO PJ Premium) then how all of the sudden can we say the Ten Club has nothing to do with this. Either they have control (like we all thought for many years prior to 2022) or they don't (which many come to their defense to protect.) 

Which is it? 

Things are never as black and white as we all would like to think and things are constantly changing.  They may have had more control in the past then they do now, it might be the same.  The fact is probably no one here really knows but it is really easy to pick a side to blame, as long as we don't have to  blame ourselves.

Agreed 100% which is why I blame both. Difference being is this is new to PJ and not TM. Also I find it so interesting how quick some are to protect and/or blame. I'm subjective. Still the best band there ever was. Anyone with Oakland GA. Lol

I just think you are barking up the wrong tree if you expect SEA to have some info on F2F.

Ask Tim Bierman (@rubysdad). 

cmalisze

JimmyV said:

cmalisze said:

apirk72 said:

cmalisze said:

I also say that if, as fans, we have been so quick to credit and throw flowers at the feet of the band and the Ten Club for how past tickets have been managed (low prices/best locations/NO PJ Premium) then how all of the sudden can we say the Ten Club has nothing to do with this. Either they have control (like we all thought for many years prior to 2022) or they don't (which many come to their defense to protect.) 

Which is it? 

Things are never as black and white as we all would like to think and things are constantly changing.  They may have had more control in the past then they do now, it might be the same.  The fact is probably no one here really knows but it is really easy to pick a side to blame, as long as we don't have to  blame ourselves.

Agreed 100% which is why I blame both. Difference being is this is new to PJ and not TM. Also I find it so interesting how quick some are to protect and/or blame. I'm subjective. Still the best band there ever was. Anyone with Oakland GA. Lol

I just think you are barking up the wrong tree if you expect SEA to have some info on F2F.

Ask Tim Bierman (@rubysdad). 

Thanks for this. I was attempting to articulate that they all should know as they are representation of the band to their fan club. If Tim knows Sea should know and vice versa. If nobody knows then that is really concerning. Point in all this has been the disappointment in the mismanagement of the circumstance when in the end it is us, as fans, getting the shaft on so many levels. 

JD213528

cmalisze said:

The best part was today a HUGE drop of tickets occurred for Oakland at premium prices. This is market manipulation. At least when I go to a car lot I can physically see how many cars are available for purchase before getting ripped off.....in the case of Pearl Jam tickets we are not allowed to know what the actual inventory is.  Shameful.....but buy these $950 "PJ Premium" seats....

It's very concerning. I have a face-value ticket for the second Oakland show that I'd like to sell, but can't do it yet. But there are plenty of "premium" seats at twice the price an aisle away. Sheesh. 

RatherStarved

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

cmalisze

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

given2fly23

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

That's like saying the Dems are a party to the GOP's destruction of democracy.  Of course 10C/PJ are a part of the process, but I trust that they are fighting TM/LiveNation tooth and nail to get the most tickets possible in the hands of real fans at the lowest price possible.  I'm sure PJ still wishes tickets were $20, that doesn't mean they can make that happen.  It's a negotiation.  If you don't trust that they are fighting for their members (and that matters to you), then you shouldn't be giving them your money.  I'm not sure what you are looking for here.  Remember 1995?  TM/LN's monopoly has only grown stronger since then.  A big band's options are as follows:

1. Tour with TM/LN.

2. Don't tour.

That's it. Take your pick.

cmalisze

given2fly23 said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

That's like saying the Dems are a party to the GOP's destruction of democracy.  Of course 10C/PJ are a part of the process, but I trust that they are fighting TM/LiveNation tooth and nail to get the most tickets possible in the hands of real fans at the lowest price possible.  I'm sure PJ still wishes tickets were $20, that doesn't mean they can make that happen.  It's a negotiation.  If you don't trust that they are fighting for their members (and that matters to you), then you shouldn't be giving them your money.  I'm not sure what you are looking for here.  Remember 1995?  TM/LN's monopoly has only grown stronger since then.  A big band's options are as follows:

1. Tour with TM/LN.

2. Don't tour.

That's it. Take your pick.

Please tell me you don't believe PJ wishes tickets were $20. I'll give you that they're "fighting" for us members but only just enough to make as much as they wish to make while also being in bed with TM, maybe out of necessity. A member of this club being stuck with a pair of tickets that otherwise would have sold if not for locking F2F this long is likely to hurt them a lot more than it would hurt Matt or Stone had TM not be asking for $4700 a seat at MSG. 

foriginalsin

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

They literally said they are working with Ticketmaster. They have to bc this is the best deal they could make with the devil. Dont say they dont have to make a deal. 

Ticketmaster/livenation control the tickets and the venues. So if pj wants to play 95% of the venues available, they must make a concession. To get as many tickets for tenclub as possible, a certain portion has to be sold at comically high prices to offset the cheap tickets for the rest of us. They also have combatted scalping by making them non transferable. I do agree fan2fan shouldnt have a floor. Its not perfect but its better than most if not all the solutions other bands have tried. 

If you think pj is maliciously trying to take your money, then thats what you believe, and thats totally fine. Looking at all the facts, thats not the conclusion im coming to. 

cmalisze

foriginalsin said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

They literally said they are working with Ticketmaster. They have to bc this is the best deal they could make with the devil. Dont say they dont have to make a deal. 

Ticketmaster/livenation control the tickets and the venues. So if pj wants to play 95% of the venues available, they must make a concession. To get as many tickets for tenclub as possible, a certain portion has to be sold at comically high prices to offset the cheap tickets for the rest of us. They also have combatted scalping by making them non transferable. I do agree fan2fan shouldnt have a floor. Its not perfect but its better than most if not all the solutions other bands have tried. 

If you think pj is maliciously trying to take your money, then thats what you believe, and thats totally fine. Looking at all the facts, thats not the conclusion im coming to. 

Please then explain to me how for nearly 32 years PJ has managed to escape the platinum ticketing practice but it is only until now this is occurring? I'm not saying PJ is being malicious because we have a choice. I'll still give them my money any day of the week but, to absolve them seems negligent. I said earlier we have been told that in order to obtain best seats at low prices there would be market priced tickets, totally fair. Their prerogative but to dismiss what is actually occurring and how a band that has cared for its fan the way PJ has to now turn a blind eye in the way this is occurring is mind boggling. 

foriginalsin

cmalisze said:

foriginalsin said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

They literally said they are working with Ticketmaster. They have to bc this is the best deal they could make with the devil. Dont say they dont have to make a deal. 

Ticketmaster/livenation control the tickets and the venues. So if pj wants to play 95% of the venues available, they must make a concession. To get as many tickets for tenclub as possible, a certain portion has to be sold at comically high prices to offset the cheap tickets for the rest of us. They also have combatted scalping by making them non transferable. I do agree fan2fan shouldnt have a floor. Its not perfect but its better than most if not all the solutions other bands have tried. 

If you think pj is maliciously trying to take your money, then thats what you believe, and thats totally fine. Looking at all the facts, thats not the conclusion im coming to. 

Please then explain to me how for nearly 32 years PJ has managed to escape the platinum ticketing practice but it is only until now this is occurring? I'm not saying PJ is being malicious because we have a choice. I'll still give them my money any day of the week but, to absolve them seems negligent. I said earlier we have been told that in order to obtain best seats at low prices there would be market priced tickets, totally fair. Their prerogative but to dismiss what is actually occurring and how a band that has cared for its fan the way PJ has to now turn a blind eye in the way this is occurring is mind boggling. 

This is where we differ. You assume you know everything about the contract with ticketmaster. All you see is a high ticket price and assume that pearl jam got to decide the ceiling for tickets. 

Nobody knows. So you are assuming malicious behavior.  Its all good. Fan2fan not being opened yet sucks and is total bullshit. But again we dont know the particulars.  

given2fly23

cmalisze said:

given2fly23 said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

That's like saying the Dems are a party to the GOP's destruction of democracy.  Of course 10C/PJ are a part of the process, but I trust that they are fighting TM/LiveNation tooth and nail to get the most tickets possible in the hands of real fans at the lowest price possible.  I'm sure PJ still wishes tickets were $20, that doesn't mean they can make that happen.  It's a negotiation.  If you don't trust that they are fighting for their members (and that matters to you), then you shouldn't be giving them your money.  I'm not sure what you are looking for here.  Remember 1995?  TM/LN's monopoly has only grown stronger since then.  A big band's options are as follows:

1. Tour with TM/LN.

2. Don't tour.

That's it. Take your pick.

Please tell me you don't believe PJ wishes tickets were $20. I'll give you that they're "fighting" for us members but only just enough to make as much as they wish to make while also being in bed with TM, maybe out of necessity. A member of this club being stuck with a pair of tickets that otherwise would have sold if not for locking F2F this long is likely to hurt them a lot more than it would hurt Matt or Stone had TM not be asking for $4700 a seat at MSG. 

Yup, I do.  Why?  Because those are their principles and I don't believe they are the kind of people to just abandon those principles.  Is $20 realistic in 2022?  Absolutely not, which is why they can't make that happen.  You think PJ/10C want F2F locked right now?  No, that is all TM.  Their ENTIRE business model is based on creating artificial hype.  That's how you sell 300 level tickets at full prices and good tickets at "platinum" prices.  It's not complicated.  And to answer the next question you asked, this platinum/dynamic pricing is still fairly new.  Maybe PJ was able to negotiate out of it completely for 2020 but weren't able to get that deal in 2022.  Again, you're accusing them of having 100% control and failing us or being in bed with TM when the truth is that TM has the monopoly and PJ's choices are to play by their rules or stay home.

heartofadog

However much involvement you think the band has in the Ticketmaster F2F onsale, I assure you the moderators of the message board have none whatsoever. Not sure what @ ing them does apart from allowing you to misdirect your frustration.

In terms of ticket pricing and the monopoly TM/LN have on venues, have folks forgotten what happened when the band tried to tour without TM? The landscape was less monopolized then than it is now and it was a nightmare, for band and for many fans. 

RatherStarved

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

RatherStarved said:

cmalisze said:

JimmyV said:

I doubt the admins know or have any way of knowing. 

As representation of the band it would be unfortunate and disrespectful to us in the Ten Club not to arm them with this knowledge to be able to answer questions. Considering they are responsible for the fan club as liaisons from the band to the fans.  But what do I know. 

It will open when TM has achieved the premium sales that it wants to achieve, as there’s nothing like a face value good seat on F2F to deter someone from purchasing an adjacent seat for many multiples of that.  10c has nothing to do with that process. 

Man o man.....there have been so many hall passes given to the Ten Club on this. Blind loyalty runs here runs exceptionally deep here.......not a criticism only an observation....TRULY

It’s neither loyal nor disloyal to point out the fact that 10c is not in charge of what TM is doing.  

Could you agree they are a party to what TM is doing?

I would agree they would be aware of it.  

NewfieintheUSA

PB11041 said:

I can't remember if the fan to fan was done directly through the ticketmaster portal or if there was a special setup in 2020, but if not then it is clear that it won't open until two weeks before each show date.  I have Wilco tickets this month, I can sell my night one tickets but my other tickets are still for 15 days from now.

It was directly through TM in 2020