Fan to Fan Ticket Exchange

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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,409
    mpedone said:

    Take comfort that they said this spring, meaning 2022. Could have just said "the spring", which could be ANY year.
    Lol
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  • well, I've got tickets to SD show in May that I would give away if I could, but I only have tickets tied to my phone and can't transfer them.
  • DF220512DF220512 Greeley, CO Posts: 13
    Long time lurker, but I'm going to post for fun.  I agree with everything that has been said... but there is another perspective missing from this discussion.  For decades, fan club members (not just of Pearl Jam, but other bands too) have used their early access/preferential treatment for tickets they knew they might not use (life could get in the way, they could score better seats through an alternate vendor, they could be used as trade-bait for shows they really wanted to get tickets to, etc.).  Then, when tickets went on sale to the general public, non-fan club members didn't have access to those seats, still inflating the price of tickets on the secondary market against the band's wishes.  

    What TM and PJ are doing right now by inflating prices and by delaying us from "trading out" our tickets, will eventually render our seats worth less than face value closer to the show.  This will have burned some of their fan club members (for this tour) who will be more cautious with what tickets they buy for future tours. With fan club members requesting less tickets, more will go on sale to the general public, lowering the cost of resale values (perhaps.)

    Again, I type this as an angry fan who can't sell back tickets post-pandemic... but I do see how, in the long-term, it may fix two issues at the same time which ends up lowering prices and increasing availability for everyone... especially with as few tours these guys go on anymore.  
  • droptheleash9droptheleash9 Posts: 1,440
    edited April 2022
    I know we're not "owed" or "entitled" to anything but it is getting VERY frustrating that they haven't opened the Fan2Fan Exchange yet. I'm not sure what the hold up is or if the band even knows (or cares quite frankly) but a little communication goes a long way. I would imagine it has something to do with the fact that PJ Premium has been a flop in a number of cities (mainly CA) and they don't want to allow F2F sales at face value until more of the premium seats are sold. I hope I'm wrong in assuming that and that it's just a case of them not having their act together vs trying to prevent some fans from buying/selling tickets just to pedal a few extra seats at higher prices.
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  • FlavafrazFlavafraz Pennsylvania Posts: 422
    Saw an interesting piece on John Oliver’s show about Ticketmaster an their practices. About only releasing 10% of tickets to public knowingly selling to ticket brokers  even giving tickets back to artist to up sell on after market. It also praised Pj as the only band to do f2f for face value. Makes you wonder what the band had to negotiate to get so many tickets to fan club and to keep most tickets prices down other than Pj premium. It could be a lot worse with other artists 
  • ddeschlerddeschler Posts: 675
    John Oliver's piece was done pre-PJ Premium.
    I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.
  • Thanks for the above posts.  I wasn't sure if I just wasn't going to the right place to do the F2F exchange.  So at least now I know, its not just me.  Hopefully F2F will come online before the SD show so at least some fan can get my seats.  PJ has put in more effort than most, and while I appreciate the concept, it may be tilting at windmills.
  • cmaliszecmalisze Posts: 2,634
    DF220512 said:
    Long time lurker, but I'm going to post for fun.  I agree with everything that has been said... but there is another perspective missing from this discussion.  For decades, fan club members (not just of Pearl Jam, but other bands too) have used their early access/preferential treatment for tickets they knew they might not use (life could get in the way, they could score better seats through an alternate vendor, they could be used as trade-bait for shows they really wanted to get tickets to, etc.).  Then, when tickets went on sale to the general public, non-fan club members didn't have access to those seats, still inflating the price of tickets on the secondary market against the band's wishes.  

    What TM and PJ are doing right now by inflating prices and by delaying us from "trading out" our tickets, will eventually render our seats worth less than face value closer to the show.  This will have burned some of their fan club members (for this tour) who will be more cautious with what tickets they buy for future tours. With fan club members requesting less tickets, more will go on sale to the general public, lowering the cost of resale values (perhaps.)

    Again, I type this as an angry fan who can't sell back tickets post-pandemic... but I do see how, in the long-term, it may fix two issues at the same time which ends up lowering prices and increasing availability for everyone... especially with as few tours these guys go on anymore.  
    Another point I've also considered. The remedy would be to limit requests to shows to zip codes within a certain perimeter.  This would alleviate the nation-wide pressure per show for the reasons you've mentioned.  
  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,815
    I'm completely naive to the fan to fan sale, why did you all purchase tickets to shows you can't go to and now want to sell???  I guess it's just never something I have done before so I have no clue.  Seems to me blaming Ten Club for this is unjustified.  Were you forced to buy these tickets?  
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • aisleseatsaisleseats Posts: 1,488
    I'm completely naive to the fan to fan sale, why did you all purchase tickets to shows you can't go to and now want to sell???  I guess it's just never something I have done before so I have no clue.  Seems to me blaming Ten Club for this is unjustified.  Were you forced to buy these tickets?  
    Keep in mind, a lot of us have had these tickets for over 2 years. We didn't even know when the shows were going to take place until recently. And then when we finally found out, we had like a week to decide if we could make the new dates or request a refund.
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    edited April 2022
    mpedone said:

    Okay, so what do you propose to do about it?
    One thing fans could do is stop buying tickets they aren’t going to use. Instead of bitching. I know life gets in the way in some cases, but the amount of tickets i see people scrambling to get rid of almost immediately after they get them is ridiculous. And how many of them are actually already going, but the tickets they “cant use anymore” are the extra pair(s) they won with their spouses accounts, who don't even like the band. Or their dogs account. Or one of the other extra accounts they have. 
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  • cmaliszecmalisze Posts: 2,634
    This band's fan base travels. This won't change. A way to combat these issues is to only provide tickets to fans within various zip codes close in proximity to a show. This would hurt fans in areas where they rarely play, yes. However, creativity could take over and I am sure solutions for that could also be thought of. 
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    cmalisze said:
    I'm not sure what the fan base traveling has to do with people buying tickets they have no intention of using.  
  • D-RodD-Rod Hamilton, Ontario Posts: 1,924
    One thing fans could do is stop buying tickets they aren’t going to use. Instead of bitching. I know life gets in the way in some cases, but the amount of tickets i see people scrambling to get rid of almost immediately after they get them is ridiculous. And how many of them are actually already going, but the tickets they “cant use anymore” are the extra pair(s) they won with their spouses accounts, who don't even like the band. Or their dogs account. Or one of the other extra accounts they have. 
    My dog doesn’t have an account but is a huge fan of the band. 
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    D-Rod said:
    My dog doesn’t have an account but is a huge fan of the band. 
    what are you waiting for?
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,906
    cmalisze said:
    Another point I've also considered. The remedy would be to limit requests to shows to zip codes within a certain perimeter.  This would alleviate the nation-wide pressure per show for the reasons you've mentioned.  

    That could be viewed as another limitation to access shows for fans living near msg. We already get few shows per capita. For many of us the only option is to get in a car or plane and travel
  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,335
    Fan to Fan was promised to ticket buyers before they made their purchases. I don't disagree that buying tickets you aren't going to use isn't a good idea, but what was promised should be delivered.

    Also, since the clear expectation is that we will travel wherever they play, people's plans will always change at the last minute. There are kids, elderly parents, work commitments, and a million other things that might prevent someone from flying to Fresno for a concert. 
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209

    That could be viewed as another limitation to access shows for fans living near msg. We already get few shows per capita. For many of us the only option is to get in a car or plane and travel
    the idea of limiting requests to zip codes so people stop buying tickets they dont need, it might be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here yet. 
  • cmaliszecmalisze Posts: 2,634
    the idea of limiting requests to zip codes so people stop buying tickets they dont need, it might be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on here yet. 
    Define need. You can't.  I need MSG tickets to trade for a PJ20 Mural. See the point. 
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    edited April 2022
    cmalisze said:
    Define need. You can't.  I need MSG tickets to trade for a PJ20 Mural. See the point. 
    replace "dont need" with "have  no intention of using".  make sense now? i dont see your point, no. you dont have one.
    Post edited by rustneversleeps on
  • cmaliszecmalisze Posts: 2,634
    replace "dont need" with "have  no intention of using".  make sense now? i dont see your point, no. you dont have one.
    I live in IL. I have someone willing to trade me a PJ20 mural for 1 ticket to MSG. I want the PJ20 mural. Therefore I NEED 1 ticket to USE in a trade. Currently I could potentially pull this off if I lived in Asia but had no intention of ATTENDING the show. Theoretically by living closer to a venue there is a greater chance of ATTENDING a show.  Hence my solution to alleviate the stress on tickets.  You sure I don't have a point?
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    edited April 2022
    cmalisze said:
    I live in IL. I have someone willing to trade me a PJ20 mural for 1 ticket to MSG. I want the PJ20 mural. Therefore I NEED 1 ticket to USE in a trade. Currently I could potentially pull this off if I lived in Asia but had no intention of ATTENDING the show. Theoretically by living closer to a venue there is a greater chance of ATTENDING a show.  Hence my solution to alleviate the stress on tickets.  You sure I don't have a point?
    potentially, theoretically.... 

    you have a point, a ridiculous one, but a point none the less
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    Asia
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    Asia
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  • on2legson2legs Posts: 15,409
    D-Rod said:
    My dog doesn’t have an account but is a huge fan of the band. 
    My dog was a member back in 1992 but forgot to renew.  
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,335
    Has no one seen my avatar? I clearly am a dog. 
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    on2legs said:
    My dog was a member back in 1992 but forgot to renew.  
    whats a 10C Friends and Family Plan without the dog?
  • cmaliszecmalisze Posts: 2,634
    potentially, theoretically.... 

    you have a point, a ridiculous one, but a point none the less
    Why do you think ridiculous? I'm agreeing with you that it would be easier if folks only put in for shows they would attend. We know fans travel and shows are hard to come by.  My suggestion is in recognition of your point. 
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,303
    I know we're not "owed" or "entitled" to anything but it is getting VERY frustrating that they haven't opened the Fan2Fan Exchange yet. I'm not sure what the hold up is or if the band even knows (or cares quite frankly) but a little communication goes a long way. I would imagine it has something to do with the fact that PJ Premium has been a flop in a number of cities (mainly CA) and they don't want to allow F2F sales at face value until more of the premium seats are sold. I hope I'm wrong in assuming that and that it's just a case of them not having their act together vs trying to prevent some fans from buying/selling tickets just to pedal a few extra seats at higher prices.
    The ‘they’ in your post is Ticketmaster. 
  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    cmalisze said:
    Why do you think ridiculous? I'm agreeing with you that it would be easier if folks only put in for shows they would attend. We know fans travel and shows are hard to come by.  My suggestion is in recognition of your point. 
    I think it is ridiculous to suggest limiting shows to local zipcodes. Not even realistic.  I suggested a start would be people stop buying tickets they arent going to use, only to be screaming for a ticket exchange a week later.  you said something about fans traveling in response to that.  I still dont know what that has to do with people buying tickets they dont use. then the point about what need is, and trading for a poster with someone from asia, i'm still lost.  i guess all i'm saying is, the people screaming for a ticket exchange, in many cases bought tickets they had no business buying in the first place.  its the neurotic pearl jam fan syndrome. 

    and there is no reason to wait around for ticketmaster to wipe your ass for you.  if you have tickets to sell, find someone who wants the tickets and figure it out.  its not hard.  
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