“PJ Premium” on Ticketmaster?

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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    mattcoz said:
    bbiggs said:

    But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.
    It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
    "In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."
    People and businesses say a lot of things.  Market rate is not $5,000+.  When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value?  If so, we'll agree to disagree. 
  • mattcozmattcoz Posts: 2,202
    mcgruff10 said:
    What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

    As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

    Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

    If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 
    Ga for u2 is under $100.  
    Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Arguing that there may be benefits to Platinum ticketing is one thing. Arguing that others shouldn't be surprised or upset to learn this particular band is doing it is another. 
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited March 2022
    bbiggs said:
    mattcoz said:
    bbiggs said:

    But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.
    It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
    "In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."
    People and businesses say a lot of things.  Market rate is not $5,000+.  When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value?  If so, we'll agree to disagree. 
    Market rate is 5000 if people buy them at that price.  The price fluctuating to meet whatever that market rate is pretty much is exactly what’s happening.  Market rate isn’t fixed. It’s variable.  Airline tickets are similar. One day the price is X the next day it doubles, then goes back down again sometimes.  Demand and price changes based on a ton of factors 

    someone may be willing to pay 5k today to set their plans get flights etc. day before the show it’s someone local trying to find something to do on a Saturday night. They won’t pay 5k. A good algorithm should know when people who will spend more money will be shopping for tickets Vs someone who won’t. 
    Post edited by Cropduster-80 on
  • JBob87JBob87 Posts: 459
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    mattcoz said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

    As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

    Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

    If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 
    Ga for u2 is under $100.  
    Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.
    Are those platinum or just face value?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
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  • ComeToTXComeToTX Posts: 7,792
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    Agree and disappointed there isn't more.  We always hope that next year will be the "big" year but this is probably a big year at this point.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    bbiggs said:
    mattcoz said:
    bbiggs said:

    But to say they've done this unknowingly or to subsidize the cost of 10C tickets for the newly scheduled shows (which as was noted have been pushed back for the "PJ Premium" folks) is a stretch.
    It's not a "stretch", they came right out and said that's what it was.
    "In order to maintain low ticket prices and fan club accessibility, we will be releasing a limited number of premium tickets to the public at market rate price at a later date."
    People and businesses say a lot of things.  Market rate is not $5,000+.  When those same seats have not sold as show time approaches and end up going for a fraction of the price (see recent EV tour), you call that an honest approach to selling at market value?  If so, we'll agree to disagree. 
    Market rate is 5000 if people buy them at that price.  The price fluctuating to meet whatever that market rate is pretty much is exactly what’s happening.  Market rate isn’t fixed. It’s variable.  Airline tickets are similar. One day the price is X the next day it doubles, then goes back down again sometimes.  Demand and price changes based on a ton of factors 

    someone may be willing to pay 5k today to set their plans get flights etc. day before the show it’s someone local trying to find something to do on a Saturday night. They won’t pay 5k. A good algorithm should know when people who will spend more money will be shopping for tickets Vs someone who won’t. 
    I fully understand how markets operate, supply and demand, etc.  If history repeats itself based on EV's tour one month ago, prices will come down.  So while your statement is correct, my point is they could start a bit lower and not be egregious about it.  They can subsidize costs in other ways than taking $5000+ from some sucker that is willing to pay it and then selling the seat directly next to that one for $1,000 or less as show time approaches.  That's just a bad look to me.  Listen, I believe in capitalism.  They want to charge half of the house for Tier 1 pricing and the other half Tier 2, by all means, go get paid.  There is a line where it becomes a bad look though, and $5,000+ for a non-charity seat is beyond that line.

  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,890
    ComeToTX said:
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    Agree and disappointed there isn't more.  We always hope that next year will be the "big" year but this is probably a big year at this point.
    When you add in the Europe dates, this is a huge tour by recent PJ standards. Probably 3-4 years off to recuperate after this wraps.
    See y'all in 2026!
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,950
    JimmyV said:
    Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 
    Well said.

  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    Poncier said:
    ComeToTX said:
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    Agree and disappointed there isn't more.  We always hope that next year will be the "big" year but this is probably a big year at this point.
    When you add in the Europe dates, this is a huge tour by recent PJ standards. Probably 3-4 years off to recuperate after this wraps.
    See y'all in 2026!
    It's why I never believed ballparks were happening. 
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,578
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    If it were me, given all the global challenges these past few years.  I'd be like.  Goal, let's just make up the dates we're supposed to make up.   Once we accomplish that and get it out of the way.. then lets talk about more tours... lol.

    I know Covid is on the wane, but it would be in the back of my head that another wave could happen.  Then you've got 4 legs of shows you need to make up for.. lol.

    I think it's reasonable they want to play catch up first, then worry about the rest later.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    edited March 2022
    Zod said:
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    If it were me, given all the global challenges these past few years.  I'd be like.  Goal, let's just make up the dates we're supposed to make up.   Once we accomplish that and get it out of the way.. then lets talk about more tours... lol.

    I know Covid is on the wane, but it would be in the back of my head that another wave could happen.  Then you've got 4 legs of shows you need to make up for.. lol.

    I think it's reasonable they want to play catch up first, then worry about the rest later.
    That's valid and could be what's happening. I just see every band in the world pretty much on the road because that is where the money is, and I see these guys scaling back their touring plans while charging more by far for some seats than they ever have before. If that is where the money is - and these guys do seem like they want to continue making that money - then go tour. Don't expect us to subsidize your desire to do less. 
    Post edited by JimmyV on
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  • mattcozmattcoz Posts: 2,202
    mcgruff10 said:
    mattcoz said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

    As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

    Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

    If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 
    Ga for u2 is under $100.  
    Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.
    Are those platinum or just face value?
    Platinum.

  • mattcozmattcoz Posts: 2,202
    Zod said:
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    If it were me, given all the global challenges these past few years.  I'd be like.  Goal, let's just make up the dates we're supposed to make up.   Once we accomplish that and get it out of the way.. then lets talk about more tours... lol.

    I know Covid is on the wane, but it would be in the back of my head that another wave could happen.  Then you've got 4 legs of shows you need to make up for.. lol.

    I think it's reasonable they want to play catch up first, then worry about the rest later.
    Agree that's what they probably were thinking.

  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,624
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 
    Well said.


    So one side of the debate gets to use hyperbole and the other doesn’t? To claim they are gouging fans for a handful of market value tickets (considering that the concert industry was decimated to an extent much worse than oil and airlines) when they are selling thousands of GA tix for $133 + fees doesn’t seem reasonable. How’s that for hyperbole?
  • JR86440JR86440 Posts: 742
    People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,163
    bbiggs said:
    JimmyV said:
    Yeah, it's completely fair to expect them to not act like an airline or an oil company. And if that is who you need to point to in order to defend the practice, well that speaks volumes. 
    Well said.


    So one side of the debate gets to use hyperbole and the other doesn’t? To claim they are gouging fans for a handful of market value tickets (considering that the concert industry was decimated to an extent much worse than oil and airlines) when they are selling thousands of GA tix for $133 + fees doesn’t seem reasonable. How’s that for hyperbole?
    I'm not really debating anyone. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,483
    mattcoz said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mattcoz said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

    As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

    Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

    If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 
    Ga for u2 is under $100.  
    Because they sold platinum tickets to keep those prices low, same as what PJ is doing.
    Are those platinum or just face value?
    Platinum.

    I stand corrected!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,624
    mcgruff10 said:
    What fans are forgetting is PJ sold a ton of GA and close seats for $150, including fees. The fair market value of those tickets, what most other artists charge would run hundreds to thousands of dollars. Or, they’d be grabbed immediately by the bots.  Correct me if I am wrong, but PJ sold every GA pit seat for $150? I’ve never heard if any other act doing that, until someone mentioned Garth earlier.

    As someone who has never ever seen a blue dot seat to buy for any PJ show anywhere close to where I live, looks like there are a ton of face value seats in Oakland and other shows. Stinks getting on a plane, but there is a way to see them. 

    Anyone having any hesitation how PJ prices would be without the club, go check out stub hub for MSG. There was one ticket for $700 the other day, and prices climbed to $1000 real fast for uppers and back stage.

    If PJ were in it solely for the money, they’d do a residences in Boston, LA, NY, Philly and a few other of the largest cities. And that’d be it. But there are some small market shows out there to be had. Go get them. 
    Ga for u2 is under $100.  


    Ironic someone on Reddit made the same point about U2 cheap prices a few months ago. I recall their last tour before Covid at msg tickets were nearly $300 for 200s “standard price” and much more for 100s. Wish I took screen images. All I could find is this blog,



    ” Tickets for the current tour are still available via Ticketmaster.com on the primary market and start as low as $74 for Section 121, Row 7 at the June 29 show in Newark, NJ. The most expensive tickets on the primary market are $1,499 in Row 6, Section 107 at Madison Square Garden on June 25.

    There is currently a moderate price difference for buying tickets on the primary market vs. the secondary market. Looking at current prices on both primary seller Ticketmaster.com and secondary marketplace TicketIQ.com, there is about a $40 gap in prices between the primary and secondary markets for the July 1 Madison Square Garden. A ticket in Section 103, Row 16 on Ticketmaster costs $369 vs. $407 for a seat in the same row on TicketIQ.com. Fans looking for tickets can look at TicketIQ.com’s Low Price Guarantee Listings, where tickets to that show are available for as little as $101 in Section 323, Row 1.”


    https://blog.ticketiq.com/blog/u2-joshua-tree-tour-dates-ticket-prices

  • Get_RightGet_Right Posts: 13,123
    Personally I don’t hate premium.  I go to shows infrequently enough since they never play anywhere near me and I missed out long ago on 10c seniority so keeping an active membership without lapsing never really would have mattered anyway. 

    Tickets are available easily without buying from some sketchy scalper. It’s not terrible in my book. No lottery, no instant sellout etc. if your going to 10 shows a year it’s not good, but one show every year or two it avoids a lot of hassle.  
     
    The amount of stress and anger during ticket lottery/pre sales/verified fan etc. time seems not worth it to me.  Paying more money to lower your blood pressure seems like a reasonable trade off 
    And potentially tax deductible if you bring a business partner (or buddy with his own LLC) ;)
  • JP218404JP218404 Posts: 1,407
    mattcoz said:
    Zod said:
    JimmyV said:
    JBob87 said:
    Discopij said:
    The reality is, if PJ tours significantly every year we don't have this problem.  Scarcity in the number of shows they've played in the last 15 years combined with the pent up covid demand is making this particular year bonkers.  I wish they decided to do all stadiums (not baseball, but football) this year with the same number of shows in order to help ease the demand (even in the Northeast) and keep prices down without "sacrificing" their own bottom line.  Yes the same people would complain about their tickets not being close enough, and yes the stadium experience is inferior to arenas imo, and yes we'd still probably see "PJ Premium" or "Official Platinum" pop up on TM, but at least way more of us are getting in the building!  I just want to be in the building.
    This is 100% the root cause, especially with 1 show in the northeast and almost half the shows being in CA. Not really surprising at all that MSG and Camden are really tough tickets outside of the Camden lawn. It's very disappointing that they didn't add more dates this year. 
    This is what I'm struggling with. We went from this tour being the spring leg of 2020 to this tour being split between spring and fall in 2022. Yes, they added a few shows but we had heard an entire second leg was planned two years ago. Essentially their touring plans are lessened this year.  
    If it were me, given all the global challenges these past few years.  I'd be like.  Goal, let's just make up the dates we're supposed to make up.   Once we accomplish that and get it out of the way.. then lets talk about more tours... lol.

    I know Covid is on the wane, but it would be in the back of my head that another wave could happen.  Then you've got 4 legs of shows you need to make up for.. lol.

    I think it's reasonable they want to play catch up first, then worry about the rest later.
    Agree that's what they probably were thinking.

    Bands are trying to do short runs in case someone get Covid. It’s too packed out there to adjust if they have to cancel shows.  

    Also, something I haven’t seen anyone mention. With Mike having Crohns they have to be careful. Shorter runs are better odds for him to be as safe as possible 
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  • mattcozmattcoz Posts: 2,202
    JR86440 said:
    6 band members… counting Boom of course!
    7 counting Klinghoffer.
  • mr bunglemr bungle Posts: 1,344
    i already have tix. but how do you unlock premium?
  • Jim TresselJim Tressel Posts: 133
    mattcoz said:
    JR86440 said:
    6 band members… counting Boom of course!
    7 counting Klinghoffer.
    He doesn’t get a cut of the ticket sales I wouldn’t think. Maybe a flat fee? Really don’t know how that works. I remember someone saying Boom was cut in which I was surprised about. That’s got to be a great payday for him.  
  • mattcozmattcoz Posts: 2,202
    mattcoz said:
    JR86440 said:
    6 band members… counting Boom of course!
    7 counting Klinghoffer.
    He doesn’t get a cut of the ticket sales I wouldn’t think. Maybe a flat fee? Really don’t know how that works. I remember someone saying Boom was cut in which I was surprised about. That’s got to be a great payday for him.  
    Heh, wasn't really being serious, I have no idea how they get paid.
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,890
    JR86440 said:
    People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 
    Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?
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  • mpedonempedone Posts: 1,947
    Poncier said:
    JR86440 said:
    People who complain about premium have never tried to run a business. There are sooooo many costs that go into running a business that people don’t see. It’s not as simple as multiplying 20k seats by $100 and dividing by 6 band members… counting Boom of course! Benefits for employees, liability insurance, salaries, rent, taxes, travel, crew,  etc. Plus they need to Maher a profit. It’s not a non profit organization. $100 for 95% of the crowd for a band of PJ’s caliber is dirt cheap in my mind. And they aren’t the chili peppers who play 18 songs. Either need to accept premium or accept $150 tickets. Add in the fact that they have families to support I feel what they are doing is more than reasonable 
    Yet they have managed to run their business without doing PJ Premium for 30 years until now. Just moderately increasing ticket prices at a fair and reasonable rate as time has gone on. Are you saying that the business model they used for 3 decades was faulty?
    I think the past couple of years have thrown a lot of business plans for a loop. 
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