Yeah, agree. Funnier than arguing over things that actually matter but our opinions also have no impact on. (And fighting speculation on two old men is perhaps the dumbest/funniest conversation of all.)
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Also, for the people talking concert sizes....this is a measure of popularity, yes? Wouldn't album sales also be a measure of that, specifically for any grandpa bands like ones formed in 80s or 90s, before the days of the download ruining that? Motley Crue sold out stadiums for years.
I mean, they’ve been NOT selling out stadiums longer than they’ve been selling out stadiums w/o other bands help, PJ has been selling out stadiums and headlining real festivals since MC has not been selling them out.
Also, for the people talking concert sizes....this is a measure of popularity, yes? Wouldn't album sales also be a measure of that, specifically for any grandpa bands like ones formed in 80s or 90s, before the days of the download ruining that? Motley Crue sold out stadiums for years.
I mean, they’ve been NOT selling out stadiums longer than they’ve been selling out stadiums w/o other bands help, PJ has been selling out stadiums and headlining real festivals since MC has not been selling them out.
I like Pearl Jam more....but also like Crue. Plus, this is funny, to me. I don't know where to find how many tickets each band is estimated to have sold, over course of careers. I can see that by albums, though, and it is not comparable. Also -- a band's popularity means little, to me. People don't go to see Mr Bungle or JSBX, but they love Doja Cat. Just putting it out there since this seems an important indicator, to some.
Seems it more sums up what passes for "News Media" these days. I read the original article the day before all the sloppy outlets decided to pick this tiny comment up as a headline.
The original article was interesting, Ed spun the questioning round and was effectively interviewing the journo a few times! There was a great section on loss, grief and mental health.
But of course it's 2022 and all anyone will remember now is playground shit talking.
I was big into hair metal before I got into alternative back in the day. I couldn't relate to the "sex, drugs, and rock and roll" mantra and alternative music appealed to me on a level that some of that other stuff could not. That said, misogyny in music predates Motley Crue and some of the bands that most influence PJ were high on the list of worst offenders. Although I agree with Ed's overall point, he could have just as easily singled out one of them, though that my have hit a little too close to home. So yea, I'll vote with those that think the whole thing is dumb.
The most surprising thing about this whole thing is that we now have a thread of 8 pages about what a member of flipping Motley Crue thinks of Pearl Jam. People need to get out more!
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My money is on Eddie in a fight.....I feel as if Nikki would be too concerned with his nails and makeup and hair....Ed looks like he would be a scrapper....
Pearl Jam sets fastest sellout records for Wrigley Field. Motley Crue can't sellout Wrigley, even when dragging along 3 other name bands. Why are we talking about this?
Selling out certain places or not. Why are you talking about that?
Mr Sixx's claim is that Pearl Jam is one of the most boring bands of all time. I'm trying to follow his logic: They are so boring that they quickly sell out stadiums, by themselves, that The Crue couldn't even dream of filling?
FYI - the Wrigley show for Motley Crue, Def Leppard and Poison was originally sold out before the pandemic. It's not currently sold out due to many people taking refunds from 2 postponements. I took my refund after they postponed it a 2nd time last summer.
Not based on what I saw, but maybe it just took them longer to sell out the event. Assuming you're right, I would still argue that Motley Crue couldn't dream of selling out Wrigley on their own.
Jeff or Stone Gossard needs to have a sit down with Eddie
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Jeff or Stone Gossard needs to have a sit down with Eddie
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
Stone needs to come out and shit on Springsteen then it's really on
My money is on Eddie in a fight.....I feel as if Nikki would be too concerned with his nails and makeup and hair....Ed looks like he would be a scrapper....
Looks like an extra from Mad Max
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Jeff or Stone Gossard needs to have a sit down with Eddie
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
Stone needs to come out and shit on Springsteen then it's really on
Jeff or Stone Gossard needs to have a sit down with Eddie
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
Stone needs to come out and shit on Springsteen then it's really on
Jeff or Stone Gossard needs to have a sit down with Eddie
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
Stone needs to come out and shit on Springsteen then it's really on
No blasphemy
It would really mix things up you have to admit
You must hate Baby Jesus to think thoughts like that.
I can’t back Eddie on this one. He could have made his point without name-checking Motley Crue. He got on his high horse about supporting women and not objectifying them, then fired an unprovoked shot at Motley just to pump himself up. I found it off putting, but then adding the comment about Guns N Roses was ridiculous. I guess he wanted to make sure Duff didn’t take offense at his remarks, but it makes you wonder if Ed ever even owned Appetite for Destruction. The GNR lyrics are way, WAY more misogynistic and objectifying of women than anything Motley Crue ever put out.
I can’t back Eddie on this one. He could have made his point without name-checking Motley Crue. He got on his high horse about supporting women and not objectifying them, then fired an unprovoked shot at Motley just to pump himself up. I found it off putting, but then adding the comment about Guns N Roses was ridiculous. I guess he wanted to make sure Duff didn’t take offense at his remarks, but it makes you wonder if Ed ever even owned Appetite for Destruction. The GNR lyrics are way, WAY more misogynistic and objectifying of women than anything Motley Crue ever put out.
Right!?! Also, the literal fucking recording of “Rocket Queen” comes to mind.
Edit: I mean, it was consensual and for the “art.” But it still seems exploitative. I want to ask if she got paid, but that seems even MORE exploitative. Still, she’s pretty prominently featured on that track. She should get some major coin.
I can’t back Eddie on this one. He could have made his point without name-checking Motley Crue. He got on his high horse about supporting women and not objectifying them, then fired an unprovoked shot at Motley just to pump himself up. I found it off putting, but then adding the comment about Guns N Roses was ridiculous. I guess he wanted to make sure Duff didn’t take offense at his remarks, but it makes you wonder if Ed ever even owned Appetite for Destruction. The GNR lyrics are way, WAY more misogynistic and objectifying of women than anything Motley Crue ever put out.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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(And fighting speculation on two old men is perhaps the dumbest/funniest conversation of all.)
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I don't know where to find how many tickets each band is estimated to have sold, over course of careers.
I can see that by albums, though, and it is not comparable.
Also -- a band's popularity means little, to me.
People don't go to see Mr Bungle or JSBX, but they love Doja Cat.
Just putting it out there since this seems an important indicator, to some.
The original article was interesting, Ed spun the questioning round and was effectively interviewing the journo a few times! There was a great section on loss, grief and mental health.
But of course it's 2022 and all anyone will remember now is playground shit talking.
Amazing...
Not based on what I saw, but maybe it just took them longer to sell out the event. Assuming you're right, I would still argue that Motley Crue couldn't dream of selling out Wrigley on their own.
I agree. After all the shit from the last two years, this is a nice break.
Grunge is often (unfairly) blamed for ending hair metal’s popularity, but Pearl Jam guitarist Stone Gossard admits he was influenced by many of the ‘80s biggest rock groups, including Motley Crue.
"The first Motley Crue record was punk-rock to me,” Gossard explained during an appearance on the Let There Be Talk podcast. “It was in that Motorhead, Sex Pistols area. It is heavy, and at the time, the hair and the makeup — it was a little bit more gender-bending, it felt a little bit exciting in this kind of the Bowie sort of way.”
Watching Motley Crue push boundaries with their music and persona was an eye opening experience for Gossard. "That was just like, 'Wow, you can be a freak.' Yeah, we were absorbing that, and bands like the Cult who made that record with Rick Rubin, which was just like a romantic goth band from the '80s. Then they did this kind of shift and it felt great.”
The Pearl Jam co-founder went on to explain that what he admired about many of the era’s acts was their ability to merge different styles of music. “That was the exciting thing about the '80s — all bets were off,” Gossard declared. “It's going to be dance or it could be glam, or it could be funk, or it could be heavy metal.”
lol
Edit: I mean, it was consensual and for the “art.” But it still seems exploitative. I want to ask if she got paid, but that seems even MORE exploitative. Still, she’s pretty prominently featured on that track. She should get some major coin.
Good thing they can throw shade at an 80s band, though.