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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,835
    I fucking hope so. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,650
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    Buying time to move more experienced and battle hardened forces from Syria and elsewhere, as well as mercenaries. Leave the former objectives of key major cities alone and focus on holding ground where you need to to link Donbas and Crimea while dropping bombs and missiles on the cities. Drag it out until winter.

     Putin on the ritz isn’t going away until they capitulate, it’s a total waste land a la Chechnya or he dies.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,677
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    The fog of war...
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,017
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    My guess is the Russian troops aren’t just rolling into cities like Putin predicted. So he’s happy just destroying civilization by shelling. It might look like Ukraine is turning the tide, but they’re still losing in the end.
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,798
    So....is Ukraine really turning the tide or is this just a ruse by Putin to buy time while switching gears? I keep seeing conflicting stories. On one hand I am reading about Russian soldiers not knowing what the fuck they are doing and sabotaging their own missions....then I am also seeing that Russia is just buying time for something bigger. What is really going on here?
    Yeah man at the very best licking their wounds. There's no way he doesn't reorganize and then just do this shit all over again. It'll stop when he's stopped.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,757

    Good man Andres, doing great work.  Excellent!
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,175
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,677
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Yes.  Fuck Russia.  They have committed atrocities against Ukrainians for generations.  This is why Uke will never submit,  not matter how much Putin deludes himself into thinking they want to be part of Russia. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073
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    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Too bad the US is standing against the ICC and investigations into their own war actions (warcrimes). 

    The global community should stand united with the ICC and their investigation into this. 
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 12,007
    Putin is holding the  world to ransom. Nobody will go near him for fear of nukes
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073

    The fundraising gala "Hela Sverige skramlar" (the whole of Sweden gives what they can) has so far raised a total of SEK 75.8 million in favor of Ukraine. This makes the gala the largest fundraising gala ever in Sweden, the organizers said in a press release.

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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Too bad the US is standing against the ICC and investigations into their own war actions (warcrimes). 

    The global community should stand united with the ICC and their investigation into this. 

    I'm really hoping that the US looks at the situation in Ukraine as a mirror to our blunders in spreading democracy around the world through force.  Maybe we will learn something.  Doubtful though, the Patriotism here is just too strong.
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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,677
    static111 said:
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Too bad the US is standing against the ICC and investigations into their own war actions (warcrimes). 

    The global community should stand united with the ICC and their investigation into this. 

    I'm really hoping that the US looks at the situation in Ukraine as a mirror to our blunders in spreading democracy around the world through force.  Maybe we will learn something.  Doubtful though, the Patriotism here is just too strong.
    Well now the many Republicans have swung way over the other way into isolationism.  I would love to have them listen to their arguments from 20 years ago.  It's pathetic how some people follow.  The Democrats, for all of their sins, are pretty consistent in the foreign policy view.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,650
    The invasion of Iraq shattered what little moral authority the US had left to be defenders of democracy and against foreign, unprovoked attacks against adversaries. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073
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    Starting to sound like a Russian troll farm trying to topple the proud american democracy in here. 



    Anyways, will be interesting with the Swedish election till fall. If NATO will be a/the big topic. I'm guessing it will be.

    The right want to join NATO before some  big meeting NATO has in May, and if they are elected this fall they have promised to join NATO with even just one vote win in parliament. While the Social Demcorats say it might not even be legal to the constitutions to join in that manner, and also that NATO demand nations who join to have a clear and strong majority supporting it. What the Fins will do is also interesting. And people argue that the Fins will not join NATO without Sweden doing it at the same time - walking in "hand in hand" like we did with the EU.

    We'll see. Interesting. 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,650
    Starting to sound like a Russian troll farm trying to topple the proud american democracy in here. 



    Anyways, will be interesting with the Swedish election till fall. If NATO will be a/the big topic. I'm guessing it will be.

    The right want to join NATO before some  big meeting NATO has in May, and if they are elected this fall they have promised to join NATO with even just one vote win in parliament. While the Social Demcorats say it might not even be legal to the constitutions to join in that manner, and also that NATO demand nations who join to have a clear and strong majority supporting it. What the Fins will do is also interesting. And people argue that the Fins will not join NATO without Sweden doing it at the same time - walking in "hand in hand" like we did with the EU.

    We'll see. Interesting. 

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073
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    Yes he should. But again, the US should take a backseat. "Sopa framför sin egen dörr" first, as we say in Sweden.

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,677
    He's a criminal.  He was a criminal before, the way he loots his country, Georgia, Chechnya, etc. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,146
    Bush’s invasion of Iraq was disgusting but it’s wrong to compare that to Russia now. Iraq harbored terrorists, was a bloody dictatorship and Saddam used WMDs against citizens of his own country.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073
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    Bush’s invasion of Iraq was disgusting but it’s wrong to compare that to Russia now. Iraq harbored terrorists, was a bloody dictatorship and Saddam used WMDs against citizens of his own country.
    All relative regarding a comparison.

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,757
    edited April 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Yes.  Fuck Russia.  They have committed atrocities against Ukrainians for generations.  This is why Uke will never submit,  not matter how much Putin deludes himself into thinking they want to be part of Russia. 

    Yes, second that, fuck Russia.  And now both Serbia and  Hungary have re-elected pro-Putin incumbents.  And according to the NY Times, it is possible France could go the same way.  The Times said, "A bigger test will occur this month in France, which will hold its own presidential election — and where a victory by the far-right candidate would be a geopolitical earthquake." 
    So no wonder some times I just want to say, "Fuck the world." 
    Will democracy survive?  I don't know.  I just don't know.


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    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Yes.  Fuck Russia.  They have committed atrocities against Ukrainians for generations.  This is why Uke will never submit,  not matter how much Putin deludes himself into thinking they want to be part of Russia. 

    Yes, second that, fuck Russia.  And now both Serbia and  Hungary have re-elected pro-Putin incumbents.  And according to the NY Times, it is possible France could go the same way.  The Times said, "A bigger test will occur this month in France, which will hold its own presidential election — and where a victory by the far-right candidate would be a geopolitical earthquake." 
    So no wonder some times I just want to say, "Fuck the world." 
    Will democracy survive?  I don't know.  I just don't know.



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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,677
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Yes.  Fuck Russia.  They have committed atrocities against Ukrainians for generations.  This is why Uke will never submit,  not matter how much Putin deludes himself into thinking they want to be part of Russia. 

    Yes, second that, fuck Russia.  And now both Serbia and  Hungary have re-elected pro-Putin incumbents.  And according to the NY Times, it is possible France could go the same way.  The Times said, "A bigger test will occur this month in France, which will hold its own presidential election — and where a victory by the far-right candidate would be a geopolitical earthquake." 
    So no wonder some times I just want to say, "Fuck the world." 
    Will democracy survive?  I don't know.  I just don't know.


    So yes, it appears Orban won.  He has been limiting democracy for several years now.  He has, however, come out against Russia's invasion, although there is no doubt that his politics are closer to Putin's than Biden's.  The difference is though, that Hungary is not going to expand their borders.  They are focused on closing them. 

    And agreed on Serbia too, but this is no surprise.  They have been closely aligned to Russia for hundreds of years, directly leading to WWI.  The risk with them, of course, is a repeat of 1997 where someone like Milosevic starts a genocidal war again.

    I would be shocked SHOCKED if Macron loses Le Pen.  That would be an unmitigated disaster for liberal democracies.  I don't see it happening, but we didn't see Trump either. 
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,073
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    mrussel1 said:

    He has, however, come out against Russia's invasion, 
    I do wonder if that was more about sticking a finger up in the air and see how the wind blows just before the election. Let's see how he acts now when he is safe for a few years. 

    But having a strong European cooperation, would be important for Hungary too.

    But I do not know Orban or Hungarian politics. So, that might be completely baseless. 

    I've heard Budapest is beautiful though.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,059
    Did anybody watch 60 minutes?  They showed Russia targeting hospitals and carpet bombed/shelled a whole city.  Mariupol is the city.  Look at pics of the place now, it's un believable.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,175
    anybody keeping up with the atrocities committed by retreating russian soldiers? killing civilians. over 400 bodies found with hands tied, gunshots to the head, and mutilated children's bodies. also killed all the pets. fuck russia.
    Too bad the US is standing against the ICC and investigations into their own war actions (warcrimes). 

    The global community should stand united with the ICC and their investigation into this. 
    i am not sure what you are implying in quoting me, but the us should be investigated too. bush, cheney, and the neocons should have all been brought to trial at the hague. i have been saying that for 19 years.
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