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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    I could see where some countries may say they don’t have the supplies to give without those countries themselves having issues defending themselves if Russia comes after them next.  I don’t know.
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    lastexitlondon said:
    Of course its a possibility  this  guy is bat shit crazy. A strong possibility 
    I don't think anyone has grounds for theorizing about and/or calling it "a strong possibility".
    How isnt  it? He has loads and is backed into a corner. And mad
    Not arguments... strong enough... to make it "a strong possibility" or not.
    My opinion.  As are all of these. Opinions only
    Sure. My opinion is no one, especially in here, have enough data or knowledge to draw the conclusion on whether Putin is one to use a first-strike nuke or not being a strong possibility. 

    History tells us no one has used one since the two in 1945.

    Except Russia's military nuclear doctrine allows for a "first strike" and tactical battlefield usage upon threats of overwhelming force, inclusive of economic sanctions and providing arms. The West's nuclear strategy is based on deterrence and MAD from a defensive posture. Hence, why NATO or western nations are not putting boots on the ground or creating no fly zones.

    There's a first time for everything. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    She's still going:


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    lindamarie73 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Biden was asked if Americans should be worried about nuclear war, Biden said “no.”
    Well at least our mushbrain Presidents handlers got this one right.  
    Didn't you vote for this guy?

    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Some don't seem to recall the history of putin on the ritz's highest placed "intelligence" asset. Each point, and the point in general, is further defined and explained in the link.

    Opinion: Five vile things Trump did to Zelensky and Ukraine that you forgot about

    With the Russian invasion of Ukraine getting more horrific, Donald Trump and his allies are frantically erasing the truth about Trump’s relations with Ukraine. Trump absurdly claims that as president, he stood strong behind Ukraine and NATO, even as his spinners comically downplay his corrupt and deeply malevolent betrayal of our ally.

    1. Spread propaganda about Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election

    As early as 2017, Trump began voicing the conspiracy theory that Ukraine, not Russia, had interfered in the 2016 presidential election. This was one of the things Trump pressured Zelensky to “investigate” while withholding military aid.

    It’s complete nonsense, and crucially, it echoed Russian propaganda that had a geopolitical purpose. Putin himself reportedly put this idea in Trump’s head. And Fiona Hill, then a top national security official, testified that this propaganda helped Russia by deflecting attention from Russia’s own interference in 2016 and by dividing the United States from an ally.

    2. Ousted the well-regarded U.S. ambassador to Ukraine

    Trump pushed out Marie Yovanovitch in 2019, after his lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani mounted a smear campaign against her. Yovanovitch was perceived as disloyal to Trump.

    3. Froze military assistance to Ukraine

    Well before extorting Zelensky, Trump alarmed officials by freezing military aid to Ukraine that Congress had appropriated, but without meaningful policy justification. Crucially, officials subsequently testified that granting this aid was important in dissuading Russian aggression, which would be in European and U.S. interests.

    4. Withheld a White House meeting from Zelensky

    In 2019, Trump communicated in various ways to Zelensky that a much-sought-after White House meeting would be conditioned on doing his corrupt dirt-digging on Joe Biden.

    5. Turned Ukraine policy over to Giuliani

    This was one of the most shocking subplots: Trump repeatedly instructed Zelensky to contact Giuliani to discuss what Zelensky would be required to do to please Trump. Giuliani’s circumvention of national security protocols deeply alarmed officials.

    Opinion | Five vile things Trump did to Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukraine that you forgot about - The Washington Post





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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    I'm not sure how I feel about it Brian. But maybe part of the point of these sanctions is to squeeze the support out of Putin' grasp as well. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    It's a horrible situation any way you look at it. I can't imagine living in either of those countries right now. 
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,534
    edited March 2022
    Hopefully someone in Russia will realize if we leave these people alone our daily lives wouldn't be fucked up right now, then they go and tell the government to stop bothering those people. I guess there's the rub.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,192
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    That's on Putin. If he decides to invade a country on his own he should be able to figure out a way to keep his people happy.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited March 2022
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    I think it's a tough thing to wrap my head around. Seeing people line up in Russia to get cash, their lifes being disrupted and in cases destroyed. While obviously the ones causing this mess will never have to worry about  a thing. But what other way is it. No one has come up with an alternative. And it is a way, however crude, to remove the veil from peoples eyes.

    I think the war has 70% support in Russia, afterall.

    And at the same time, Back in the 00s I think the world should have joined together and sanctioned the US to shit, even with some of you teddybears getting affected by it.
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    I'm not sure how I feel about it Brian. But maybe part of the point of these sanctions is to squeeze the support out of Putin' grasp as well. 

    The Juggler said:
    brianlux said:
    Somebody elsewhere brought up the issue of sanctions and how they affect people in Russia who are not to blame for Putin's atrocities .  What do others here think? Could sanctions do more harm than good? If the roles were reversed and our economy was crashing and our bank accounts worthless, toward whom would we direct our displeasure and anger? I wonder how much this has been taken into consideration? I am HUGELY against the Russian invasion, but I also have a lot of concern for that average Russian citizen who is just trying to get by. That's gotta be really rough right now.
    It's a horrible situation any way you look at it. I can't imagine living in either of those countries right now. 

    It is a tough one, for sure.  No easy answer.
    OK, friends, off I go for some fun dental torture.  Will look forward to catching up more here tonight.
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,474
    edited March 2022
    Can a nation survive without access to shiny new apple products?





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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Can a nation survive without access to shiny new apple products?


    they should start reselling the old click wheel 80G classic iPod...everywhere but Russia and Belarus. that would be sure to ensure a coup. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Can a nation survive without access to shiny new apple products?


    There washpo editorial today about how Apple was on the sidelines. Sounds like they read the paper.  However part of the pressure was to disable apps and disable the app store. 
  • Jearlpam0925
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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