I dont think anyone suggested a 'hoax'. Time will be the answer as it has been all along from dec2019 to today lots has been learned and will continue to be.
Oh, plenty of people suggested a 'hoax'. Many who were skeptical of CoVID's impact used terms like 'hoax', 'infringement on freedom', 'promoting human guinea pigs', etc. What I'm saying is that these are expressions framed antagonistically, rather than in the interest of seeking the truth. Given the politicization of everything over the last decade, that kind of rhetoric is unlikely to sway minds.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "time will be the answer". You had a theory, you expressed it, and others asked about data to back up said theory. I just showed you a study with official Pfizer and Moderna data, and explained why I didn't think it presented a cogent argument about the risk of vaccines relative to the organic risk of living your life day-to-day (i.e. unvaccinated). Time won't be the answer - discussion and debate in the interest of truth-seeking will be. Time, in this polarized environment, will just lead to feet planted more deeply in the sand.
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I read your link and its from nov 2020 trials,before the vaccine was rolled out to millions. The study looks to be of 10.000 unless i misunderstood which is a tiny tiny amount of people. I would like to see one dated now with a much bigger group. And of course time is important because the more time The more people have boosters and the larger the study group.
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I read your link and its from nov 2020 trials,before the vaccine was rolled out to millions. The study looks to be of 10.000 unless i misunderstood which is a tiny tiny amount of people. I would like to see one dated now with a much bigger group. And of course time is important because the more time The more people have boosters and the larger the study group.
Any thoughts about the uptick in heart attacks coinciding with the start of the pandemic in 2020 before the vaccine rollout?
You think i dont get it. I understand covid causes all manor of horrible after effects. Im not some covid denier which is assumed when anyone has questions .
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You think i dont get it. I understand covid causes all manor of horrible after effects. Im not some covid denier which is assumed when anyone has questions .
incorrect. I have questions. everyone does. as ben said, it's all in how it's framed.
You think i dont get it. I understand covid causes all manor of horrible after effects. Im not some covid denier which is assumed when anyone has questions .
Your comments these last few days left me with the impression that you think the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself.
We obviously make our own decisions and mine have changed since omicron/family infections and i dont agree with some things i did before ,ive evolved. frame it as you like.
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You think i dont get it. I understand covid causes all manor of horrible after effects. Im not some covid denier which is assumed when anyone has questions .
Your comments these last few days left me with the impression that you think the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself.
Maybe I misread them.
I dont see where i wrote that Thats an assumption. Ive had 3 vaccines and decided i wont be having anymore wherever that takes me. I know many in uk are the same cant speak for usa or any other country but here people are not queuing up for more
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You think i dont get it. I understand covid causes all manor of horrible after effects. Im not some covid denier which is assumed when anyone has questions .
Your comments these last few days left me with the impression that you think the vaccine is more dangerous than covid itself.
Maybe I misread them.
I dont see where i wrote that Thats an assumption. Ive had 3 vaccines and decided i wont be having anymore wherever that takes me. I know many in uk are the same cant speak for usa or any other country but here people are not queuing up for more
You're taking your chances w/ the virus > the vaccine... I don't think I misunderstood your comments at all.
My dr actually told me as ive been in contact with all my family for 10 days indoors whilst they had covid i wouldn't get it if i didnt then. I didn't i dont happen to believe that. Do you? To add i tested everyday. So wasn't asymptomatic.
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My dr actually told me as ive been in contact with all my family for 10 days indoors whilst they had covid i wouldn't get it if i didnt then. I didn't i dont happen to believe that. Do you? To add i tested everyday. So wasn't asymptomatic.
It makes sense to me, sure. There you go.
After some of the concerts I went to a year ago, I'm hard pressed to think I wasn't exposed, but for the moment, my doctor thinks it's a good idea for me to stay vaxxed, so I'll be following his advice.
it's the same idea as the flu shot. you get it annually. but the flu is generally seasonal, which is why you only need one a year. covid doesn't follow that same pattern. so you need to stay up to date on the most current strain(s) and immunity/protection wane.
people saying "how many is enough? 10? 100?". this isn't the same as a vaccine for a disease that doesn't mutate, where you only need it once or twice in your life.
Its pointless because anyone who dares to question or feel for the families who lost someone to the vaccine is some kind of odd ball with misinformation. Any link or Dr thats put on here is made our to be not good enough or from somewhere thats not real. I dont know what you are told or read over there but many studies and actual numbers are starting to all say the same. If anyone dares to say wait a minute this looks odd. They must be a nutter or political. I guess time will tell. I may be a nutter. We all make our choices. I just wish with hind sight we have full information before taking and giving our kids. We were all told take it to protect others. So we did.
Be honest. Your source is a video from social media where headlines of sudden death scroll by and someone is off to the side making smug faces.
Honest. I am. I dont have any social. I do watch some you tube but just peer reviewed trials and Dr or consultant reports.lm not a modern guy
We can walk you through how to copy and paste those links in here if you’d like.
it's the same idea as the flu shot. you get it annually. but the flu is generally seasonal, which is why you only need one a year. covid doesn't follow that same pattern. so you need to stay up to date on the most current strain(s) and immunity/protection wane.
people saying "how many is enough? 10? 100?". this isn't the same as a vaccine for a disease that doesn't mutate, where you only need it once or twice in your life.
That's exactly it. You don't hear people saying, "oh jeez, how many flu shots am I going to need in my life?" when each and every year, doctors recommend it.
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You will never stay on top of covid mutations they are happening far more frequently than flu. But your immune system does make t cells to any infection or vaccine so there will be some long term response. I believe the vaccines are still working and the virus is becoming more transmissible but weaker than the original. Once you've had any vaccine your body knows some of the proteins just not all as it keeps mutating quite fast for a virus.
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Its pointless because anyone who dares to question or feel for the families who lost someone to the vaccine is some kind of odd ball with misinformation. Any link or Dr thats put on here is made our to be not good enough or from somewhere thats not real. I dont know what you are told or read over there but many studies and actual numbers are starting to all say the same. If anyone dares to say wait a minute this looks odd. They must be a nutter or political. I guess time will tell. I may be a nutter. We all make our choices. I just wish with hind sight we have full information before taking and giving our kids. We were all told take it to protect others. So we did.
Be honest. Your source is a video from social media where headlines of sudden death scroll by and someone is off to the side making smug faces.
Honest. I am. I dont have any social. I do watch some you tube but just peer reviewed trials and Dr or consultant reports.lm not a modern guy
We can walk you through how to copy and paste those links in here if you’d like.
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I think this "virus is becoming weaker" is a talking point that just doesn't bear out in the data (I believed the same for a while). 2022 saw more deaths than 2021 or 2020. Plus now we're learning more and more about long covid and how it affects not only those with a bad acute infection, but people with mild cases and even people who didn't know they had it. which is cause for real concern. I don't know the affects, if any, of the vaccines on long covid. And I don't think "they" do either, which is why many are still advocating for just not getting the virus in the first place.
I think this "virus is becoming weaker" is a talking point that just doesn't bear out in the data (I believed the same for a while). 2022 saw more deaths than 2021 or 2020. Plus now we're learning more and more about long covid and how it affects not only those with a bad acute infection, but people with mild cases and even people who didn't know they had it. which is cause for real concern. I don't know the affects, if any, of the vaccines on long covid. And I don't think "they" do either, which is why many are still advocating for just not getting the virus in the first place.
Fair enough we will only know over time. I did read that a virus by nature doesn't care about being potent its only desire is to survive and replicate so it evolves but over time typically they weaken but move faster. How true that is . I dont know
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My dr actually told me as ive been in contact with all my family for 10 days indoors whilst they had covid i wouldn't get it if i didnt then. I didn't i dont happen to believe that. Do you? To add i tested everyday. So wasn't asymptomatic.
must say I am impressed by you. given your challenges related to health anxiety , for you to arrive here is astonishing to me. good for you. very good for you.
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My dr actually told me as ive been in contact with all my family for 10 days indoors whilst they had covid i wouldn't get it if i didnt then. I didn't i dont happen to believe that. Do you? To add i tested everyday. So wasn't asymptomatic.
must say I am impressed by you. given your challenges related to health anxiety , for you to arrive here is astonishing to me. good for you. very good for you.
Health anxiety has nothing to do with it. If anything it makes me more unlikely to take any vaccine and hide away. I took 3 and it was very very difficult but i believe at the time it was correct. The person asked what my dr said and thats what he said. I sat here thinking today i will get it I did not. But i still will no doubt But just to believe what one dr says goes to show they are saying different things to different people.
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Its pointless because anyone who dares to question or feel for the families who lost someone to the vaccine is some kind of odd ball with misinformation. Any link or Dr thats put on here is made our to be not good enough or from somewhere thats not real. I dont know what you are told or read over there but many studies and actual numbers are starting to all say the same. If anyone dares to say wait a minute this looks odd. They must be a nutter or political. I guess time will tell. I may be a nutter. We all make our choices. I just wish with hind sight we have full information before taking and giving our kids. We were all told take it to protect others. So we did.
Be honest. Your source is a video from social media where headlines of sudden death scroll by and someone is off to the side making smug faces.
Honest. I am. I dont have any social. I do watch some you tube but just peer reviewed trials and Dr or consultant reports.lm not a modern guy
We can walk you through how to copy and paste those links in here if you’d like.
Where as everyone else here seems to be able to just conversate and be sensible you seem to be a little condescending. No need my friend. No need
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Its pointless because anyone who dares to question or feel for the families who lost someone to the vaccine is some kind of odd ball with misinformation. Any link or Dr thats put on here is made our to be not good enough or from somewhere thats not real. I dont know what you are told or read over there but many studies and actual numbers are starting to all say the same. If anyone dares to say wait a minute this looks odd. They must be a nutter or political. I guess time will tell. I may be a nutter. We all make our choices. I just wish with hind sight we have full information before taking and giving our kids. We were all told take it to protect others. So we did.
Be honest. Your source is a video from social media where headlines of sudden death scroll by and someone is off to the side making smug faces.
Honest. I am. I dont have any social. I do watch some you tube but just peer reviewed trials and Dr or consultant reports.lm not a modern guy
We can walk you through how to copy and paste those links in here if you’d like.
Where as everyone else here seems to be able to just conversate and be sensible you seem to be a little condescending. No need my friend. No need
Its more than that though The excess deaths that nobody is allowed to speak of on the internet. Its more than your average risk It really is. Every country in the world is now having cardiac arrests to a level not seen pre mrna vaccine.Its not just a theory or story These are real peoples family members.
This is one of the comments that led me to believe you think the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus itself.
It ignores that the uptick in cardiac arrests started in 2020 before the vaccine rollout and that heart attack spikes have coincided w/ covid surges.
I'm also curious about the excess deaths that you say nobody is allowed to talk about. It's my understanding that excess deaths in 2020 were up as well, which also coincides with the start of the pandemic.
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Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "time will be the answer". You had a theory, you expressed it, and others asked about data to back up said theory. I just showed you a study with official Pfizer and Moderna data, and explained why I didn't think it presented a cogent argument about the risk of vaccines relative to the organic risk of living your life day-to-day (i.e. unvaccinated). Time won't be the answer - discussion and debate in the interest of truth-seeking will be. Time, in this polarized environment, will just lead to feet planted more deeply in the sand.
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And of course time is important because the more time
The more people have boosters and the larger the study group.
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Maybe I misread them.
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Thats an assumption.
Ive had 3 vaccines and decided i wont be having anymore wherever that takes me. I know many in uk are the same cant speak for usa or any other country but here people are not queuing up for more
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You're taking your chances w/ the virus > the vaccine... I don't think I misunderstood your comments at all.
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Ive had 3 vaccines why do i need more? They work i understand that. Why do i need more
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I consult my doctor for that advice, not strangers on the internet.
To add i tested everyday. So wasn't asymptomatic.
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After some of the concerts I went to a year ago, I'm hard pressed to think I wasn't exposed, but for the moment, my doctor thinks it's a good idea for me to stay vaxxed, so I'll be following his advice.
people saying "how many is enough? 10? 100?". this isn't the same as a vaccine for a disease that doesn't mutate, where you only need it once or twice in your life.
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Once you've had any vaccine your body knows some of the proteins just not all as it keeps mutating quite fast for a virus.
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Health anxiety has nothing to do with it. If anything it makes me more unlikely to take any vaccine and hide away. I took 3 and it was very very difficult but i believe at the time it was correct. The person asked what my dr said and thats what he said. I sat here thinking today i will get it
I did not. But i still will no doubt
But just to believe what one dr says goes to show they are saying different things to different people.
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It ignores that the uptick in cardiac arrests started in 2020 before the vaccine rollout and that heart attack spikes have coincided w/ covid surges.
I'm also curious about the excess deaths that you say nobody is allowed to talk about. It's my understanding that excess deaths in 2020 were up as well, which also coincides with the start of the pandemic.