every single other reputable source on this topic say otherwise. why is that your information ONLY comes from garbage partisan rags posing as "media"?
the NY Post, ladies and gentlemen:
The Murdicks are a blight upon humanity and a cancer upon the earth. And to think it was founded by Alexander Hamilton.
They are a blight in so many ways, but not this one (directly). This is being reprinted from an Aussi news source. It's an interesting finding if you read it carefully. They are not saying there's no such thing as Long Covid. They are saying that it's common to have lingering effects after an illness and the lingering effect rate for Covid is similar (or lower) to other diseases.
The blight is the way that the Post framed this. And if you read the article, none of the quotes say there's "no such thing". Rather it's time to stop using the term because it's not different than other diseases. We don't say "long influenza" or "long pneumonia".
It seems obvious that a virus can run havoc on an immune system and especially one that is compromised in any way. And that damage is caused by all virus. Some lead to autoimmune problems after. Post viral fatigue has been a thing for ever
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It seems obvious that a virus can run havoc on an immune system and especially one that is compromised in any way. And that damage is caused by all virus. Some lead to autoimmune problems after. Post viral fatigue has been a thing for ever
Absolutely true, my friend.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
every single other reputable source on this topic say otherwise. why is that your information ONLY comes from garbage partisan rags posing as "media"?
the NY Post, ladies and gentlemen:
The Murdicks are a blight upon humanity and a cancer upon the earth. And to think it was founded by Alexander Hamilton.
They are a blight in so many ways, but not this one (directly). This is being reprinted from an Aussi news source. It's an interesting finding if you read it carefully. They are not saying there's no such thing as Long Covid. They are saying that it's common to have lingering effects after an illness and the lingering effect rate for Covid is similar (or lower) to other diseases.
The blight is the way that the Post framed this. And if you read the article, none of the quotes say there's "no such thing". Rather it's time to stop using the term because it's not different than other diseases. We don't say "long influenza" or "long pneumonia".
I still think it's important since it's so new. We need to make sure people are protected in their workplace and in society from being labelled liars and whatnot because people WILL ultimately read this as "no such thing".
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
every single other reputable source on this topic say otherwise. why is that your information ONLY comes from garbage partisan rags posing as "media"?
the NY Post, ladies and gentlemen:
The Murdicks are a blight upon humanity and a cancer upon the earth. And to think it was founded by Alexander Hamilton.
They are a blight in so many ways, but not this one (directly). This is being reprinted from an Aussi news source. It's an interesting finding if you read it carefully. They are not saying there's no such thing as Long Covid. They are saying that it's common to have lingering effects after an illness and the lingering effect rate for Covid is similar (or lower) to other diseases.
The blight is the way that the Post framed this. And if you read the article, none of the quotes say there's "no such thing". Rather it's time to stop using the term because it's not different than other diseases. We don't say "long influenza" or "long pneumonia".
I was posting in a generality. Fuck the Murdicks and their media “empire.”
But to your point, what are the time frames for the “lingering effects” of the other illnesses you mentioned? I won’t give the Murdicks clicks so if it’s mentioned in the article, my apologies.
Maybe we don’t say “long influenza” because any lingering effects from the time of recovery to being completely over it is 5 days whereas with Covid, maybe it’s months(I made that up but people I know who had Covid mentioned being fatigued well after the initial infection and well after testing negative or their sense of taste being affected for as long or longer).
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Your problem again is the source and not the info..very very nice again..
no, YOUR problem is the source. you cherry pick based on your bias. look at the bigger consensus. google "is long covid real" and look the results. CDC, NIH, Harvard Med. 99% of them say it is, and it's debilitating. you ALWAYS go with the conspiracy.
you aren't mel gibson, and this isn't a movie. it's reality. most of us live in it.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Your problem again is the source and not the info..very very nice again..
no, YOUR problem is the source. you cherry pick based on your bias. look at the bigger consensus. google "is long covid real" and look the results. CDC, NIH, Harvard Med. 99% of them say it is, and it's debilitating. you ALWAYS go with the conspiracy.
you aren't mel gibson, and this isn't a movie. it's reality. most of us live in it.
Here's the thing... the Australian researchers never said it wasn't real. It said that the long disease is in line with other diseases. The Post then turned that into "no such thing".
Your problem again is the source and not the info..very very nice again..
no, YOUR problem is the source. you cherry pick based on your bias. look at the bigger consensus. google "is long covid real" and look the results. CDC, NIH, Harvard Med. 99% of them say it is, and it's debilitating. you ALWAYS go with the conspiracy.
you aren't mel gibson, and this isn't a movie. it's reality. most of us live in it.
Your problem again is the source and not the info..very very nice again..
no, YOUR problem is the source. you cherry pick based on your bias. look at the bigger consensus. google "is long covid real" and look the results. CDC, NIH, Harvard Med. 99% of them say it is, and it's debilitating. you ALWAYS go with the conspiracy.
you aren't mel gibson, and this isn't a movie. it's reality. most of us live in it.
Gerrard said long Covid may have appeared to be a
distinct and severe illness because of the high number of people
infected with Covid-19 within a short period of time, rather than the
severity of long Covid symptoms.
“We believe it
is time to stop using terms like ‘long Covid’. They wrongly imply there
is something unique and exceptional about longer-term symptoms
associated with this virus. This terminology can cause unnecessary fear,
and in some cases, hypervigilance to longer symptoms that can impede
recovery.”
In a press conference on Friday,
Gerrard said: “I want to make it clear that the symptoms that some
patients described after having Covid-19 are real, and we believe they
are real. What we are saying is that the incidence of these symptoms is
no greater in Covid-19 than it is with other respiratory viruses, and
that to use this term ‘long Covid’ is misleading and I believe harmful.”
The
researchers acknowledged the findings are associations and do not
represent prevalence, and acknowledged limitations in that participants
who attended hospital or had pre-existing illness were not identifiable.
They also said because 90% of people in Queensland were vaccinated when
Omicron emerged, the lower severity of long Covid could be due to
vaccination and the variant.
Prof Philip
Britton, a paediatric infectious diseases physician from the University
of Sydney and a member of the Long Covid Australia Collaboration,
welcomed the study given the lack of published research from Australia
in this area.
However, Britton said the
conclusion that it was time to stop using terms such as long Covid was
“overstated and potentially unhelpful. Long Covid has been a global
phenomenon, recognised by WHO.”
Prof Jeremy
Nicholson, the director of the Australian National Phenome Centre at
Murdoch University, said the question of whether long Covid is unique
“cannot be simply answered in this work”.
“The
study is observational, based on reported symptoms with no physiological
or detailed functional follow-up data. Without laboratory
pathophysiological assessment of individual patients, it is impossible
to say that this is indistinguishable from flu-related or any other
post-viral syndrome,” Nicholson said.
The headline of this article was amended on 16 March 2024 to clarify
that it was the Queensland chief health officer’s conclusion that the
use of the term ‘long Covid’ should stop, rather than it being a finding
contained in the study.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The NY post version deserves derision for saying in the headline that there was no such thing as Long Covid. That was a deliberate misrepresentation and wrong. That's not what the study concluded. Another great example of the Murdoch family lying to the readers.
What, so you can make a claim based on an anecdote but no one else can?
Memes too... the claim about 108 footballers was based on a meme.
Some people will believe anything.
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..
In addition to not posting a link, you still haven't answered the most basic of questions - how has this rate of incidence changed since before CoVID?
By sharing anecdotes, memes, and factually dubious sources, you make a piss-poor case for what you claim to believe, and/or come across as disingenuous because your conclusions are so void of common sense . I'm quite a distrustful person, and I have no problem with a counter opinion, but it lacks basic logic to think that the entire news ecosystem - obsessed with sensationalism - is for some reason keeping this quiet if it indeed had the evidence you seem to believe. It's similarly lacking logic to omit a before-and-after comparison while still making a conclusion about the 'after'.
What is the incidence, and what are the causes and trends of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in collegiate athletes?
Methods:
The study included National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) deaths between July 1, 2002, and June 30, 2022. Four separate independent databases and search strategies were used to identify athlete deaths. Autopsy reports and medical history were reviewed by an expert panel to adjudicate causes of sudden death.
Results:
Of a total of 1,102 deaths, 143 cases of SCD were identified. The overall incidence of SCD was 1:63,682 athlete-years. Incidence was higher in male as compared with female athletes (1:43,348 vs. 1:36,228 athlete-years) and Black athletes as compared with White athletes (1:26,704 vs. 1:74,581 athlete-years). The highest incidence of SCD was among Division I male basketball players with an incidence of 1:8,188 athlete years (1:5,845 in Black athletes and 1:7,696 in White athletes). The incident rate for SCD decreased over the study period (5-year incident rate ratio, 0.71), while the rate of noncardiac deaths remained stable. Autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death (19.5%) was the most common postmortem examination finding, followed by idiopathic left ventricular hypertrophy or possible cardiomyopathy (16.9%), and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (12.7%) in cases with enough information for adjudication. Eight deaths were attributable to myocarditis over the study period, with one case occurring during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) era (January 1, 2020, to June 30, 2022), with none attributed to COVID-19 infection. SCD was exertional in 50% of cases. SCD was exertional in 100% of patients with congenital coronary anomalies and 83% of patients with arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy.
Conclusions:
The authors conclude that the incidence of SCD in college athletes has decreased over the last 20 years. Black race and basketball are associated with a higher risk of SCD.
Perspective:
This study used a variety of databases to identify SCD among NCAA athletes over a 20-year period ending in 2022. The cause for declining rates of SCD over the study period is not entirely clear but may be related to improved screening or wider implementation of emergency action plans and automated external defibrillator availability to improve survival after sudden cardiac arrest. The study importantly showed no increase in SCD in the COVID era, specifically demonstrating no myocarditis-related deaths attributable to COVID-19 during this period. The high rate of autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death suggests the importance of post-mortem genetic testing when possible."
That 1997 movie Marlon Wayans made about a college basketball player who Collapsed and Died Suddenly™ during a game....
I haven't seen it, but I am looking forward to the plot twist of how the vaccine traveled back in time 24 years, and whether it was the Moderna, Pfizer, or J&J.
What, so you can make a claim based on an anecdote but no one else can?
Memes too... the claim about 108 footballers was based on a meme.
Some people will believe anything.
Three professional football players collapse on the pitch mid-game, live on TV, in the space of a week..
In addition to not posting a link, you still haven't answered the most basic of questions - how has this rate of incidence changed since before CoVID?
By sharing anecdotes, memes, and factually dubious sources, you make a piss-poor case for what you claim to believe, and/or come across as disingenuous because your conclusions are so void of common sense . I'm quite a distrustful person, and I have no problem with a counter opinion, but it lacks basic logic to think that the entire news ecosystem - obsessed with sensationalism - is for some reason keeping this quiet if it indeed had the evidence you seem to believe. It's similarly lacking logic to omit a before-and-after comparison while still making a conclusion about the 'after'.
What is the incidence, and what are the causes and trends of sudden cardiac death (SCD) in collegiate athletes?
Methods:
The study included National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) deaths between July 1, 2002, and June 30, 2022. Four separate independent databases and search strategies were used to identify athlete deaths. Autopsy reports and medical history were reviewed by an expert panel to adjudicate causes of sudden death.
Results:
Of a total of 1,102 deaths, 143 cases of SCD were identified. The overall incidence of SCD was 1:63,682 athlete-years. Incidence was higher in male as compared with female athletes (1:43,348 vs. 1:36,228 athlete-years) and Black athletes as compared with White athletes (1:26,704 vs. 1:74,581 athlete-years). The highest incidence of SCD was among Division I male basketball players with an incidence of 1:8,188 athlete years (1:5,845 in Black athletes and 1:7,696 in White athletes). The incident rate for SCD decreased over the study period (5-year incident rate ratio, 0.71), while the rate of noncardiac deaths remained stable. Autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death (19.5%) was the most common postmortem examination finding, followed by idiopathic left ventricular hypertrophy or possible cardiomyopathy (16.9%), and hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (12.7%) in cases with enough information for adjudication. Eight deaths were attributable to myocarditis over the study period, with one case occurring during the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) era (January 1, 2020, to June 30, 2022), with none attributed to COVID-19 infection. SCD was exertional in 50% of cases. SCD was exertional in 100% of patients with congenital coronary anomalies and 83% of patients with arrhythmogenic cardiomyopathy.
Conclusions:
The authors conclude that the incidence of SCD in college athletes has decreased over the last 20 years. Black race and basketball are associated with a higher risk of SCD.
Perspective:
This study used a variety of databases to identify SCD among NCAA athletes over a 20-year period ending in 2022. The cause for declining rates of SCD over the study period is not entirely clear but may be related to improved screening or wider implementation of emergency action plans and automated external defibrillator availability to improve survival after sudden cardiac arrest. The study importantly showed no increase in SCD in the COVID era, specifically demonstrating no myocarditis-related deaths attributable to COVID-19 during this period. The high rate of autopsy-negative sudden unexplained death suggests the importance of post-mortem genetic testing when possible."
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The blight is the way that the Post framed this. And if you read the article, none of the quotes say there's "no such thing". Rather it's time to stop using the term because it's not different than other diseases. We don't say "long influenza" or "long pneumonia".
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Absolutely true, my friend.
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-EV 8/14/93
But to your point, what are the time frames for the “lingering effects” of the other illnesses you mentioned? I won’t give the Murdicks clicks so if it’s mentioned in the article, my apologies.
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/covid-19-unnatural-origin-theory
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
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https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal
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you aren't mel gibson, and this isn't a movie. it's reality. most of us live in it.
-EV 8/14/93
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/15/long-covid-symptoms-flu-cold
but my ''conspiracy'' about the origin was right after all..no comments on this??..
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Gerrard said long Covid may have appeared to be a distinct and severe illness because of the high number of people infected with Covid-19 within a short period of time, rather than the severity of long Covid symptoms.
“We believe it is time to stop using terms like ‘long Covid’. They wrongly imply there is something unique and exceptional about longer-term symptoms associated with this virus. This terminology can cause unnecessary fear, and in some cases, hypervigilance to longer symptoms that can impede recovery.”
In a press conference on Friday, Gerrard said: “I want to make it clear that the symptoms that some patients described after having Covid-19 are real, and we believe they are real. What we are saying is that the incidence of these symptoms is no greater in Covid-19 than it is with other respiratory viruses, and that to use this term ‘long Covid’ is misleading and I believe harmful.”
The researchers acknowledged the findings are associations and do not represent prevalence, and acknowledged limitations in that participants who attended hospital or had pre-existing illness were not identifiable. They also said because 90% of people in Queensland were vaccinated when Omicron emerged, the lower severity of long Covid could be due to vaccination and the variant.
Prof Philip Britton, a paediatric infectious diseases physician from the University of Sydney and a member of the Long Covid Australia Collaboration, welcomed the study given the lack of published research from Australia in this area.
However, Britton said the conclusion that it was time to stop using terms such as long Covid was “overstated and potentially unhelpful. Long Covid has been a global phenomenon, recognised by WHO.”
Prof Jeremy Nicholson, the director of the Australian National Phenome Centre at Murdoch University, said the question of whether long Covid is unique “cannot be simply answered in this work”.
“The study is observational, based on reported symptoms with no physiological or detailed functional follow-up data. Without laboratory pathophysiological assessment of individual patients, it is impossible to say that this is indistinguishable from flu-related or any other post-viral syndrome,” Nicholson said.
The headline of this article was amended on 16 March 2024 to clarify that it was the Queensland chief health officer’s conclusion that the use of the term ‘long Covid’ should stop, rather than it being a finding contained in the study.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
In a week? How many is that? Three? In a week? Collapsed? Seems far far under normal. But I’m sure they all had the jab.
And for comedic effect, how are your brackets doing? You do brackets, eh?
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/aug/30/newsstory.sport7
By sharing anecdotes, memes, and factually dubious sources, you make a piss-poor case for what you claim to believe, and/or come across as disingenuous because your conclusions are so void of common sense . I'm quite a distrustful person, and I have no problem with a counter opinion, but it lacks basic logic to think that the entire news ecosystem - obsessed with sensationalism - is for some reason keeping this quiet if it indeed had the evidence you seem to believe. It's similarly lacking logic to omit a before-and-after comparison while still making a conclusion about the 'after'.
This is behind a paywall, but here's a major journal on it. I'll post the summary here. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.123.065908
"Study Questions:
Two more pieces from credible sources:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-athlete-deaths-1500-989195878254
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/medical-general-science/athletes-vaccines-and-cardiac-deaths
EV
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I haven't seen it, but I am looking forward to the plot twist of how the vaccine traveled back in time 24 years, and whether it was the Moderna, Pfizer, or J&J.
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.
I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..