3 people in my province are in the ICU being treated for covid. That is not one floor or in one hospital. That is province wide. 3 people. And I still am not allowed to see my mother today.
just go see her, wear a mask etc. Ive been visiting my parents once a week since this all began, as i have to get them supplies-78/79 yrs old-neither drive. lifes too short.
Been visiting my 87 year old dad throughout as well…but right now we are currently in Doug fords jail…lol. But I still visit him, closing restaurants and gyms…lol
We do our own thing for sure but just saying that is the rules the province has put in place. Supposed to be back to a 10 person bubble on the 31st which is still a joke imo.
Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
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Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
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Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
Glad to hear.
Really curious where we go from here. Is the next variant going to continue in omicron footsteps and be very contagious but less severe or are we going to swing the other way. You would think with so many people now with natural immunity we would be in a good spot vaccinated or not but who knows how this will play out
Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
Glad to hear.
Really curious where we go from here. Is the next variant going to continue in omicron footsteps and be very contagious but less severe or are we going to swing the other way. You would think with so many people now with natural immunity we would be in a good spot vaccinated or not but who knows how this will play out
I’ve read that many virologists think this will be the end of the pandemic stage. This variant was so widespread that the natural immunity with vaccine should make it endemic. I hope that’s right..
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Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
Glad to hear.
Really curious where we go from here. Is the next variant going to continue in omicron footsteps and be very contagious but less severe or are we going to swing the other way. You would think with so many people now with natural immunity we would be in a good spot vaccinated or not but who knows how this will play out
I’ve read that many virologists think this will be the end of the pandemic stage. This variant was so widespread that the natural immunity with vaccine should make it endemic. I hope that’s right..
What I wonder is how safe or how dangerous will an endemic ("(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area") COVID virus be?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
3 people in my province are in the ICU being treated for covid. That is not one floor or in one hospital. That is province wide. 3 people. And I still am not allowed to see my mother today.
just go see her, wear a mask etc. Ive been visiting my parents once a week since this all began, as i have to get them supplies-78/79 yrs old-neither drive. lifes too short.
Been visiting my 87 year old dad throughout as well…but right now we are currently in Doug fords jail…lol. But I still visit him, closing restaurants and gyms…lol
We do our own thing for sure but just saying that is the rules the province has put in place. Supposed to be back to a 10 person bubble on the 31st which is still a joke imo.
I’m not even sure what rules are. Everybody has to deal with their senior parents in the best way you are comfortable…
Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
Glad to hear.
Really curious where we go from here. Is the next variant going to continue in omicron footsteps and be very contagious but less severe or are we going to swing the other way. You would think with so many people now with natural immunity we would be in a good spot vaccinated or not but who knows how this will play out
I’ve read that many virologists think this will be the end of the pandemic stage. This variant was so widespread that the natural immunity with vaccine should make it endemic. I hope that’s right..
What I wonder is how safe or how dangerous will an endemic ("(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area") COVID virus be?
Hopefully no worse than the flu which kills near 50k Americans per year.
My 8 year old got his first vax two days ago, no side effects.
Nice glad to hear. We are booking the first shots for our 5 and 7 year old for the first week of February. Still not sold that they need it but feel it is better to be safe than sorry.
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Here in the mid Atlantic, I think we're past the peak. Around Christmas, every one knew someone with it. I had six close family alone. But it's definitely cooled down. Being so close to the NE corridor, everything comes early here.
Glad to hear.
Really curious where we go from here. Is the next variant going to continue in omicron footsteps and be very contagious but less severe or are we going to swing the other way. You would think with so many people now with natural immunity we would be in a good spot vaccinated or not but who knows how this will play out
I’ve read that many virologists think this will be the end of the pandemic stage. This variant was so widespread that the natural immunity with vaccine should make it endemic. I hope that’s right..
What I wonder is how safe or how dangerous will an endemic ("(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area") COVID virus be?
Hopefully no worse than the flu which kills near 50k Americans per year.
Sort depressing to think we may have this virus for the long run.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
My 8 year old got his first vax two days ago, no side effects.
Nice glad to hear. We are booking the first shots for our 5 and 7 year old for the first week of February. Still not sold that they need it but feel it is better to be safe than sorry.
I feel you guys missed the benefits of doing this b4 omicron, but will help t cell immunity for next go round.
My 8 year old got his first vax two days ago, no side effects.
Nice glad to hear. We are booking the first shots for our 5 and 7 year old for the first week of February. Still not sold that they need it but feel it is better to be safe than sorry.
I totally understand where you are coming from. We went back and forth with it for a long time. I still don’t know if we did the right thing but obviously too late.
My 8 year old got his first vax two days ago, no side effects.
Nice glad to hear. We are booking the first shots for our 5 and 7 year old for the first week of February. Still not sold that they need it but feel it is better to be safe than sorry.
I feel you guys missed the benefits of doing this b4 omicron, but will help t cell immunity for next go round.
The majority of the benefits are going to come from them being allowed to play sports and travel vs the necessity of them being protected from the virus. Just my opinion.
New conservative target: Race as factor in COVID treatment
By TODD RICHMOND
Today
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Some conservatives are taking aim at policies that allow doctors to consider race as a risk factor when allocating scarce COVID-19 treatments, saying the protocols discriminate against white people.
The wave of infections brought on by the omicron variant and a shortage of treatments have focused attention on the policies.
Medical experts say the opposition is misleading. Health officials have long said there is a strong case for considering race as one of many risk factors in treatment decisions. And there is no evidence that race alone is being used to decide who gets medicine.
The issue came to the forefront last week after Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former President Donald Trump and Republican Sen. Marco Rubio jumped on the policies. In recent days, conservative law firms have pressured a Missouri-based health care system, Minnesota and Utah to drop their protocols and sued New York state over allocation guidelines or scoring systems that include race as a risk factor.
JP Leider, a senior fellow in the Division of Health Policy and Management at the University of Minnesota who helped develop that state’s allocation criteria, noted that prioritization has been going on for some time because there aren’t enough treatments to go around.
“You have to pick who comes first,” Leider said. “The problem is we have extremely conclusive evidence that (minorities) across the United States are having worse COVID outcomes compared to white folks. ... Sometimes it’s acceptable to consider things like race and ethnicity when making decisions about when resources get allocated at a societal level.”
Since the pandemic began, health care systems and states have been grappling with how to best distribute treatments. The problem has only grown worse as the omicron variant has packed hospitals with COVID-19 patients.
Considerable evidence suggests that COVID-19 has hit certain racial and ethnic groups harder than whites. Research shows that people of color are at a higher risk of severe illness, are more likely to be hospitalized and are dying from COVID-19 at younger ages.
Data also show that minorities have been missing out on treatments. Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published an analysis of 41 health care systems that found that Black, Asian and Hispanic patients are less likely than whites to receive outpatient antibody treatment.
The Food and Drug Administration has given health care providers guidance on when that treatment, sotrovimab, should be used, including a list of medical conditions that put patients at high risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19. The FDA’s guidance says other factors such as race or ethnicity might also put patients at higher risk.
The CDC's list of high-risk underlying conditions notes that age is the strongest risk factor for severe disease and lists more than a dozen medical conditions. It also suggests that doctors and nurses “carefully consider potential additional risks of COVID-19 illness for patients who are members of certain racial and ethnic minority groups.”
State guidelines generally recommend that doctors give priority for the drugs to those at the highest risk, including cancer patients, transplant recipients and people who have lung disease or are pregnant. Some states, including Wisconsin, have implemented policies that bar race as a factor, but others have allowed it.
St. Louis-based SSM Health, which serves patients in Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma and Wisconsin, required patients to score 20 points on a risk calculator to qualify for COVID-19 antibody treatment. Non-whites automatically got seven points.
State health officials in Utah adopted a similar risk calculator that grants people two points if they’re not white. Minnesota’s health department guidelines automatically assigned two points to minorities. Four points was enough to qualify for treatment.
New York state health officials’ guidelines authorize antiviral treatments if patients meet five criteria. One is having “a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness.” One of those factors is being a minority, according to the guidelines.
The protocols have become a talking point for Republicans after The Wall Street Journal ran an op-ed by political commentators John Judis and Ruy Teixeira this month complaining that New York’s policy is unfair, unjustified and possibly illegal. Carlson jumped on Utah's and Minnesota’s policies last week, saying “you win if you’re not white.”
Alvin Tillery, a political scientist at Northwestern University, called the issue a winning political strategy for Trump and Republicans looking to motivate their predominantly white base ahead of midterm elections in November. He said conservatives are twisting the narrative, noting that race is only one of a multitude of factors in every allocation policy.
“It does gin up their people, gives them a chance in elections,” Tillery said.
After the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, a conservative law firm based in Madison, sent a letter to SSM Health on Friday demanding that it drop race from its risk calculator, SSM responded that it already did so last year as health experts' understanding of COVID-19 evolved.
“While early versions of risk calculators across the nation appropriately included race and gender criteria based on initial outcomes, SSM Health has continued to evaluate and update our protocols weekly to reflect the most up-to-date clinical evidence available,” the company said in a statement. “As a result, race and gender criteria are no longer utilized.”
America First Legal, a conservative-leaning law firm based in Washington, D.C., filed a federal lawsuit Sunday against New York demanding that the state remove race from its allocation criteria. The same firm warned Minnesota and Utah last week that they should drop race from their preference factors or face lawsuits.
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My omicron at work. Next up...document the damn thing for travel purposes.
Edit: For the record, I feel the policy to let travelers into Canada with proof of an infection within the last hundred and eighty days is insanely stupid as Omicron has-will infect most people.
I'm not even sure why there's test requirements. It's widely spread on both sides of the border. What difference does it make anymore? Maybe require vaccines to cross to create an incentive to get vaccinated.. but the rest. .meh
I'm not even sure why there's test requirements. It's widely spread on both sides of the border. What difference does it make anymore? Maybe require vaccines to cross to create an incentive to get vaccinated.. but the rest. .meh
I'm not even sure why there's test requirements. It's widely spread on both sides of the border. What difference does it make anymore? Maybe require vaccines to cross to create an incentive to get vaccinated.. but the rest. .meh
I fully accept and respect anyones decision regarding the vaccination. But HOLY SHIT. How thick headed can you be? This dude needs a heart transplant and was taken off the list because he wasn’t vaccinated. And STILL refuses it? Get the fuckin shot!! I agree that anyone receiving a major organ transplant should be vaccinated. It’s a gift to be a recipient and that person receiving it should be in the beat possible situation to live a healthy life after.
I fully accept and respect anyones decision regarding the vaccination. But HOLY SHIT. How thick headed can you be? This dude needs a heart transplant and was taken off the list because he wasn’t vaccinated. And STILL refuses it? Get the fuckin shot!! I agree that anyone receiving a major organ transplant should be vaccinated. It’s a gift to be a recipient and that person receiving it should be in the beat possible situation to live a healthy life after.
He has strong beliefs and is "sticking to his guns" according to his father. How admirable. That stat that mortality is 20% for transplant patients is eye popping. The hospital is in the right here. The heart should go to someone who has the best chance to survive.
I fully accept and respect anyones decision regarding the vaccination. But HOLY SHIT. How thick headed can you be? This dude needs a heart transplant and was taken off the list because he wasn’t vaccinated. And STILL refuses it? Get the fuckin shot!! I agree that anyone receiving a major organ transplant should be vaccinated. It’s a gift to be a recipient and that person receiving it should be in the beat possible situation to live a healthy life after.
He has strong beliefs and is "sticking to his guns" according to his father. How admirable. That stat that mortality is 20% for transplant patients is eye popping. The hospital is in the right here. The heart should go to someone who has the best chance to survive.
100%. It’s always been like that and this is no different
"A former news photographer turned registered nurse using his
photography skills to tell the story of the fight against COVID-19 spoke
with CBS Mornings Tuesday about his unique project."
This version of the coronavirus, which scientists call BA.2, is widely considered stealthier than the original version of Omicron because particular genetic traits make it somewhat harder to detect. Some scientists worry it could also be more contagious.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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What I wonder is how safe or how dangerous will an endemic ("(of a disease or condition) regularly found among particular people or in a certain area") COVID virus be?
Sort depressing to think we may have this virus for the long run.
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Some conservatives are taking aim at policies that allow doctors to consider race as a risk factor when allocating scarce COVID-19 treatments, saying the protocols discriminate against white people.
The wave of infections brought on by the omicron variant and a shortage of treatments have focused attention on the policies.
Medical experts say the opposition is misleading. Health officials have long said there is a strong case for considering race as one of many risk factors in treatment decisions. And there is no evidence that race alone is being used to decide who gets medicine.
The issue came to the forefront last week after Fox News host Tucker Carlson, former President Donald Trump and Republican Sen. Marco Rubio jumped on the policies. In recent days, conservative law firms have pressured a Missouri-based health care system, Minnesota and Utah to drop their protocols and sued New York state over allocation guidelines or scoring systems that include race as a risk factor.
JP Leider, a senior fellow in the Division of Health Policy and Management at the University of Minnesota who helped develop that state’s allocation criteria, noted that prioritization has been going on for some time because there aren’t enough treatments to go around.
“You have to pick who comes first,” Leider said. “The problem is we have extremely conclusive evidence that (minorities) across the United States are having worse COVID outcomes compared to white folks. ... Sometimes it’s acceptable to consider things like race and ethnicity when making decisions about when resources get allocated at a societal level.”
Since the pandemic began, health care systems and states have been grappling with how to best distribute treatments. The problem has only grown worse as the omicron variant has packed hospitals with COVID-19 patients.
Considerable evidence suggests that COVID-19 has hit certain racial and ethnic groups harder than whites. Research shows that people of color are at a higher risk of severe illness, are more likely to be hospitalized and are dying from COVID-19 at younger ages.
Data also show that minorities have been missing out on treatments. Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention published an analysis of 41 health care systems that found that Black, Asian and Hispanic patients are less likely than whites to receive outpatient antibody treatment.
Omicron has rendered two widely available antibody treatments ineffective, leaving only one, which is in short supply.
The Food and Drug Administration has given health care providers guidance on when that treatment, sotrovimab, should be used, including a list of medical conditions that put patients at high risk of severe outcomes from COVID-19. The FDA’s guidance says other factors such as race or ethnicity might also put patients at higher risk.
The CDC's list of high-risk underlying conditions notes that age is the strongest risk factor for severe disease and lists more than a dozen medical conditions. It also suggests that doctors and nurses “carefully consider potential additional risks of COVID-19 illness for patients who are members of certain racial and ethnic minority groups.”
State guidelines generally recommend that doctors give priority for the drugs to those at the highest risk, including cancer patients, transplant recipients and people who have lung disease or are pregnant. Some states, including Wisconsin, have implemented policies that bar race as a factor, but others have allowed it.
St. Louis-based SSM Health, which serves patients in Illinois, Missouri, Oklahoma and Wisconsin, required patients to score 20 points on a risk calculator to qualify for COVID-19 antibody treatment. Non-whites automatically got seven points.
State health officials in Utah adopted a similar risk calculator that grants people two points if they’re not white. Minnesota’s health department guidelines automatically assigned two points to minorities. Four points was enough to qualify for treatment.
New York state health officials’ guidelines authorize antiviral treatments if patients meet five criteria. One is having “a medical condition or other factors that increase their risk for severe illness.” One of those factors is being a minority, according to the guidelines.
The protocols have become a talking point for Republicans after The Wall Street Journal ran an op-ed by political commentators John Judis and Ruy Teixeira this month complaining that New York’s policy is unfair, unjustified and possibly illegal. Carlson jumped on Utah's and Minnesota’s policies last week, saying “you win if you’re not white.”
Alvin Tillery, a political scientist at Northwestern University, called the issue a winning political strategy for Trump and Republicans looking to motivate their predominantly white base ahead of midterm elections in November. He said conservatives are twisting the narrative, noting that race is only one of a multitude of factors in every allocation policy.
“It does gin up their people, gives them a chance in elections,” Tillery said.
After the Wisconsin Institute for Law and Liberty, a conservative law firm based in Madison, sent a letter to SSM Health on Friday demanding that it drop race from its risk calculator, SSM responded that it already did so last year as health experts' understanding of COVID-19 evolved.
“While early versions of risk calculators across the nation appropriately included race and gender criteria based on initial outcomes, SSM Health has continued to evaluate and update our protocols weekly to reflect the most up-to-date clinical evidence available,” the company said in a statement. “As a result, race and gender criteria are no longer utilized.”
America First Legal, a conservative-leaning law firm based in Washington, D.C., filed a federal lawsuit Sunday against New York demanding that the state remove race from its allocation criteria. The same firm warned Minnesota and Utah last week that they should drop race from their preference factors or face lawsuits.
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Edit: For the record, I feel the policy to let travelers into Canada with proof of an infection within the last hundred and eighty days is insanely stupid as Omicron has-will infect most people.
That stat that mortality is 20% for transplant patients is eye popping. The hospital is in the right here. The heart should go to someone who has the best chance to survive.
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