Viruses / Vaccines 2

Halifax2TheMax

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

gimmesometruth27

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

Poncier

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

Your opening line on a blind date?

Halifax2TheMax

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

mrussel1

Poncier said:

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

Your opening line on a blind date?

Nah, I drop that little lie after the point of no return. 

Bentleyspop

mrussel1 said:

Poncier said:

mrussel1 said:

Bentleyspop said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

It just seems like a lot of Fauci's opinions at the time are being used against him nearly two years later.

I have a hard time believing that he doesn't have our best interests at heart. 

Dr. Faucis whole career as an epidemiologist has been about "our best interests".
But because of today's society where everything is politicized and driven by social media he is vilified.

2 years ago the doctors, experts, scientists didn't  know what they didn't know. Today we are exponentially more knowledgeable about Covid.

I was at NIAID in the early 90s under Dr. Fauci when the AIDS epidemic was at it worst. People we knew were dying constantly and nothing was working, yet.
But because there was no internet as we know it and therefore no social media he and others were able to keep their heads down and get the job done.

AIDS has killed just over 700,000 Americans to this date. Most between 1981 and 1995.
Covid has killed just over 850,000.
Think about that.

Imagine if AIDS went airborne?

There were people back then who thought it was.
Who thought you could get it from kissing.
From being in the same room.
From shaking hands.

That she idiocy plays out today as anti-vax and anti-mask.

What is easier? Getting a guy to wear a condom or get someone to wear a mask?

I'm allergic to laytex, poly and lambskin.  Sucks. 

Your opening line on a blind date?

Nah, I drop that little lie after the point of no return. 

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do

Gern Blansten

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

She should have got up, kneed POOTWH in the nuts and vehemently said from the podium, "don't ingest, inject disinfectants or shine a light up your ass. POTUS is vastly uninformed and ignorant on these matters, listen to him at your peril." Then been arrested for assault, been fired, served her six months and been a commie cause celebre.

nicknyr15

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

😴😴😴😴

1 year removed and everything with you is still buh buh trump and what about trump. Boring. 

dankind

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

Two things: She didn't offer to be on the same page. The emails explicitly state that she could not support the bullshit that the administration was spewing and would rather have the option to just not be present when it's happening. 

And what about her work since the 1980s to fight infectious diseases, including AIDS?

Seems like some sexism is at play here.

Fauci outright lied. Full stop. 

Wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory (and other) illnesses. Every medical professional knows that—certainly one who's been in the racket as long as he has—and they’ve known it for centuries. He knew he was lying. Why else add that little nugget about it stopping a droplet?

We can argue about the reasoning and morals behind it—for instance, I understand the why but don't buy his explanation (see: every medical professional has known for centuries that wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory illnesses)—but some folks are bending over backwards to say that he didn't know the facts because of the evolving nature of the disease and science, etc.

That willful ignorance is not a good look.

I still think he's better than nothing.

cincybearcat

TBH I've been both impressed with and upset with Biden's handling of this pandemic.  Not as bad as trump for sure...but Biden through his entire game plan into Vaccines..... not a great idea.  Was a good push but shoulda had other plans.  I do support his push to use OSHA to have companies require vaccines....that was a good and smart move in my opinion.  Unfortunately the SCOTUS messed that up.  That would have been a big win.  

Despite bitching about testing from the early days, Biden waits until what is likely the end of the 2nd major variants move through the country to figure out how to make tests readily available.

And allowing 400 million of the country's stockpile of N95's be available is just for show.   That's literally about 1 mask per person...lasts about 5 days.  And will be available after the latest surge.  That is purely a political move.  I bought a box of 3M N95's off amazon very easily for like $20.  

Meltdown99

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1483770125580910593?s=21

This escalated quick, went from taxing to jailing the unvaccinated…next week, maybe tar and feather, or a UV tattooed on them…

Gern Blansten

dankind said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

Two things: She didn't offer to be on the same page. The emails explicitly state that she could not support the bullshit that the administration was spewing and would rather have the option to just not be present when it's happening. 

And what about her work since the 1980s to fight infectious diseases, including AIDS?

Seems like some sexism is at play here.

Fauci outright lied. Full stop. 

Wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory (and other) illnesses. Every medical professional knows that -- certainly one who's been in the racket as long as he has. He knew he was lying. Why else add that little nugget about it stopping a droplet?

We can argue about the reasoning and morals behind it -- for instance, I understand the why but don't buy his explanation -- but some folks are bending over backwards to say that he didn't know the truth.

That willful ignorance is not a good look.

I still think he's better than nothing.

where did I say she offered to be on the same page?  

Fauci contradicted tRump consistently. 

Halifax2TheMax

nicknyr15 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

😴😴😴😴

1 year removed and everything with you is still buh buh trump and what about trump. Boring. 

Its boring when you won't answer a pretty direct question, my one year removed buh, buh, buh POOTWH notwithstanding.

nicknyr15

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1483770125580910593?s=21

This escalated quick, went from taxing to jailing the unvaccinated…next week, maybe tar and feather, or a UV tattooed on them…

Fuckin ridiculous 

Halifax2TheMax

nicknyr15 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1483770125580910593?s=21

This escalated quick, went from taxing to jailing the unvaccinated…next week, maybe tar and feather, or a UV tattooed on them…

Fuckin ridiculous 

That Canadians have opinions?

nicknyr15

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Meltdown99 said:

https://twitter.com/nationalpost/status/1483770125580910593?s=21

This escalated quick, went from taxing to jailing the unvaccinated…next week, maybe tar and feather, or a UV tattooed on them…

Fuckin ridiculous 

That Canadians have opinions?

Are you for real? Sometimes i feel like you can’t be real. Do you really think that’s what I meant? 

mickeyrat

dankind said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

Two things: She didn't offer to be on the same page. The emails explicitly state that she could not support the bullshit that the administration was spewing and would rather have the option to just not be present when it's happening. 

And what about her work since the 1980s to fight infectious diseases, including AIDS?

Seems like some sexism is at play here.

Fauci outright lied. Full stop. 

Wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory (and other) illnesses. Every medical professional knows that—certainly one who's been in the racket as long as he has—and they’ve known it for centuries. He knew he was lying. Why else add that little nugget about it stopping a droplet?

We can argue about the reasoning and morals behind it—for instance, I understand the why but don't buy his explanation (see: every medical professional has known for centuries that wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory illnesses)—but some folks are bending over backwards to say that he didn't know the facts because of the evolving nature of the disease and science, etc.

That willful ignorance is not a good look.

I still think he's better than nothing.

centuries you say?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surgical_mask

Face masks for use in surgery were developed in Europe by several physicians, including Jan Mikulicz-Radecki at the University of Breslau and Paul Berger in Paris, in the late nineteenth century, as a result of increasing awareness of germ theory and the importance of antiseptic procedures in medicine.[40] In response to a pneumonic plague in Manchuria and Mongolia in 1910, Chinese-Malaysian epidemiologist Dr. Wu Lien-teh greatly improved on the designs he had seen in Europe to develop a face mask of layers of gauze and cotton that would protect both the wearer and others.  Modern surgical masks began to be used in the 1960s. Their adoption caused cloth facemasks, which had been used since the late 19th century, to completely fall out of use in the developed world.[41][42] However, cloth masks and surgical masks both continued to be used in developing countries.[43]

Halifax2TheMax

From the NYT email blast. And yet, who are the vast majority of deaths and who are clogging up and overwhelming our hospital systems?

2. Low risks

Some of the clearest research on Covid’s risks comes from a team of British researchers led by Dr. Julia Hippisley-Cox of the University of Oxford. The team has created an online calculator that allows you to enter a person’s age, vaccination status, height and weight, as well as major Covid risk factors. (It’s based on an analysis of British patients, but its conclusions are relevant elsewhere.)

A typical 65-year-old American woman — to take one example — is five foot three inches tall and weighs 166 pounds. If she had been vaccinated and did not have a major Covid risk factor, like an organ transplant, her chance of dying after contracting Covid would be 1 in 872, according to the calculator. For a typical 65-year-old man, the risk would be 1 in 434.

Among 75-year-olds, the risk would be 1 in 264 for a typical woman and 1 in 133 for a typical man.

Those are meaningful risks. But they are not larger than many other risks older people face. In the 2019-20 flu season, about 1 out of every 138 Americans 65 and older who had flu symptoms died from them, according to the C.D.C.

And Omicron probably presents less risk than the British calculator suggests, because it uses data through the first half of 2021, when the dominant version of Covid was more severe than Omicron appears to be. One sign of Omicron’s relative mildness: Among vaccinated people in Utah (a state that publishes detailed data), the percentage of cases leading to hospitalization has been only about half as high in recent weeks as it was last summer.

For now, the available evidence suggests that Omicron is less threatening to a vaccinated person than a normal flu. Obviously, the Omicron wave has still been damaging, because the variant is so contagious that it has infected tens of millions of Americans in a matter of weeks. Small individual risks have added up to large societal damage.

3. Effective boosters

The final major piece of encouraging news involves booster shots: They are highly effective at preventing severe illness from Omicron. The protection is “remarkably high,” as Dr. Eric Topol of Scripps Research wrote.

Switzerland has begun reporting Covid deaths among three different groups of people: the unvaccinated; the vaccinated who have not received a booster shot; and the vaccinated who have been boosted (typically with a third shot). The first two shots still provide a lot of protection, but the booster makes a meaningful difference, as Edouard Mathieu and Max Roser of Our World in Data have noted:

 

Source: Our World in Data

The next stage

The Covid situation in the U.S. remains fairly grim, with overwhelmed hospitals and nearly 2,000 deaths a day. It’s likely to remain grim into early February. Caseloads are still high in many communities, and death trends typically lag case trends by three weeks.

But the full picture is less grim than the current moment.

Omicron appears to be in retreat, even if the official national data doesn’t yet reflect that reality. Omicron also appears to be mild in a vast majority of cases, especially for the vaccinated. This combination means that the U.S. may be only a few weeks away from the most encouraging Covid situation since early last summer, before the Delta variant emerged.

https://qcovid.org/Home

dankind

Gern Blansten said:

dankind said:

Gern Blansten said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

nicknyr15 said:

Of course now we’re blaming Trump for Fauci lying. Of course. It must be Trumps fault. 

Do you know for a fact that Dr. Ouchie was lying at the time with what he and others understood of the virus and how it spread (in other words, had the research shown that face diapers would be effective against the spread of this particular virus, he was told such, maybe repeatedly and he chose to lie about it, or he couldn't honestly say that face diapers would have an impact, or, he stayed on message with POOTWH, his corrupt cabinet and all the other operatives that made it a political statement), as opposed to how its confirmed that POOTWH was lying every day when he put himself before the cameras and mics?

Where should the buck stop?

2 years and still going with a raging pandemic and Dr. Ouchie owns the cons.

birx offered to be on the same page as trump though. her emails became public after trump left office. she betrayed her duties as a physician by doing that. she was going to go along with whatever narrative the administration wanted to put forth rather than advise the president to the best of her abilities. thank god fauci did not do that or we would be where we were in mid 2020.

I lost all respect for Birx when she made the faces and squirmed after POOTWH looked at her and suggested that we shine a light up our ass or ingest disinfectants and didn't resign. And POOTWH said those things knowing how infectious and deadly covid was, what potential prevention/treatment methods were and for the sole purpose of embarrassing and intimidating a woman way more smarter than he is. And the outrage, 2 years on, due to the sewer of a resurrected Instagram/twitter post regarding "face diapers," is directed at Dr. Ouchie. What was that about critical thinking skills again? Good lord this nation is so fucked.

Same...and now we know that she offered to go on vacation so that she wouldn't be asked to contradict the BS that tRump was spewing.

That was the moment of truth and she fucking failed us horribly.

Two things: She didn't offer to be on the same page. The emails explicitly state that she could not support the bullshit that the administration was spewing and would rather have the option to just not be present when it's happening. 

And what about her work since the 1980s to fight infectious diseases, including AIDS?

Seems like some sexism is at play here.

Fauci outright lied. Full stop. 

Wearing face masks of any kind that cover your nose and mouth help to mitigate spreading infectious respiratory (and other) illnesses. Every medical professional knows that -- certainly one who's been in the racket as long as he has. He knew he was lying. Why else add that little nugget about it stopping a droplet?

We can argue about the reasoning and morals behind it -- for instance, I understand the why but don't buy his explanation -- but some folks are bending over backwards to say that he didn't know the truth.

That willful ignorance is not a good look.

I still think he's better than nothing.

where did I say she offered to be on the same page?  

Fauci contradicted tRump consistently. 

You didn’t; gimme did. 

Except when it came to masking early on, right? And Fauci also has the advantage of having a Y chromosome. 

I just see sexism all around when it comes to Birx. From the administrations (plural!) she’s worked for and the public.  

Fauci lied to us. Yeah, but look at what he’s done and continues to do for the good of humanity. 

Birx refused to lie to us. Yeah, but…. Never mind: BURN HER AT THE FUCKING STAKE!!