Viruses / Vaccines 2

lastexitlondon

https://youtu.be/YDxkloJ-4kE
I found this interesting.  Im not joe rogan or joe arther. Just  why is it hard to get real data now! 

bbiggs

^ Agreed.  Dr. Campbell is objective and fact based.  It is refreshing. 

lastexitlondon

Yeah i trust him and his approach.  
I think all information should  be there to see. Its obviously  available  now. 

Spiritual_Chaos

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

STOCKHOLM -- Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks.

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

She added that the decision could be revisited if the research changed or if a new variant changed the pandemic. Kids in high-risk groups can already get the vaccine.

Seems like a logical approach to me. It is interesting how different countries that all have access to the same data points have very different stances on this. 

EDIT - It deleted the part I bolded from the original post for some reason, which was this:

Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks.

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

She added that the decision could be revisited if the research changed or if a new variant changed the pandemic. Kids in high-risk groups can already get the vaccine.

Lerxst1992

lastexitlondon said:

https://youtu.be/YDxkloJ-4kE
I found this interesting.  Im not joe rogan or joe arther. Just  why is it hard to get real data now! 

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I agree more data is better, but doc lets not go full tilt roegan here, the first two columns are unvaccinated total deaths and rates per 100k, the next two are for the vaccinated.

in every time period there is a clearly identifiable trend.

lastexitlondon

The  data that Pfizer  has and the others  is not fully disclosed.  Why?

dignin

lastexitlondon said:

The  data that Pfizer  has and the others  is not fully disclosed.  Why?

The data that it's saved millions of lives is everywhere.

lastexitlondon

Its not about  vaxxed or not vaxxed. Its about the trial data being  transparent for the  vaccine. Thats the  point not if it  works. But the trial facts

lastexitlondon

What he is saying is true.  Why cant  we see the trial data. Why

dignin

lastexitlondon said:

Its not about  vaxxed or not vaxxed. Its about the trial data being  transparent for the  vaccine. Thats the  point not if it  works. But the trial facts

Really? Just Google it. The trial results are there. 

lastexitlondon

To be clear i have  had 3 vaccines. Im in no way anti fuck all . And yes its saved lives but I'm  wondering why the non transparency  . Lets see it all and make our adult minds up and for our children  
 Thats all. This place is fuckin ridiculous  and  narrow

lastexitlondon

Ok mate. Watch the video. Later 

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:

https://youtu.be/YDxkloJ-4kE
I found this interesting.  Im not joe rogan or joe arther. Just  why is it hard to get real data now! 

Thanks for sharing…

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:

To be clear i have  had 3 vaccines. Im in no way anti fuck all . And yes its saved lives but I'm  wondering why the non transparency  . Lets see it all and make our adult minds up and for our children  
 Thats all. This place is fuckin ridiculous  and  narrow

If you get shut down because you have questions about a vaccine then it’s safe to assume lots of people should start to have questions…shut up and take it was the dumbest approach government could take…

lastexitlondon

Just found it interesting.  Im too old and fucked up to bother with idiots.  

dignin

lastexitlondon said:

To be clear i have  had 3 vaccines. Im in no way anti fuck all . And yes its saved lives but I'm  wondering why the non transparency  . Lets see it all and make our adult minds up and for our children  
 Thats all. This place is fuckin ridiculous  and  narrow

Narrow. I'm being serious, I googled Pfizer covid trial results and they are there.

People need to stop getting their info from YouTube.

It's rotting your brains.

lastexitlondon

It's  from the british medical  journal  not you tube. Watch the video fool

Meltdown99

lastexitlondon said:

It's  from the british medical  journal  not you tube. Watch the video fool

What’s the fellow name?

Hobbes

https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1486702116102193161?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna - IAVI and Moderna Launch Trial of HIV Vaccine Antigens Delivered Through mRNA Technology (modernatx.com)

https://twitter.com/them/status/1487189619737341957?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna’s HIV Vaccine Has Officially Begun Human Trials | them.

mrussel1

Hobbes said:

https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1486702116102193161?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna - IAVI and Moderna Launch Trial of HIV Vaccine Antigens Delivered Through mRNA Technology (modernatx.com)

https://twitter.com/them/status/1487189619737341957?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna’s HIV Vaccine Has Officially Begun Human Trials | them.

I won't support this until I do my own research and evaluate all the data myself. 

Hobbes

mrussel1 said:

Hobbes said:

https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1486702116102193161?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna - IAVI and Moderna Launch Trial of HIV Vaccine Antigens Delivered Through mRNA Technology (modernatx.com)

https://twitter.com/them/status/1487189619737341957?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna’s HIV Vaccine Has Officially Begun Human Trials | them.

I won't support this until I do my own research and evaluate all the data myself. 

No dick diapers!

mrussel1

Hobbes said:

mrussel1 said:

Hobbes said:

https://twitter.com/moderna_tx/status/1486702116102193161?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna - IAVI and Moderna Launch Trial of HIV Vaccine Antigens Delivered Through mRNA Technology (modernatx.com)

https://twitter.com/them/status/1487189619737341957?s=20&t=Xhzv4fxsfQuC0j0d1j8RSw

Moderna’s HIV Vaccine Has Officially Begun Human Trials | them.

I won't support this until I do my own research and evaluate all the data myself. 

No dick diapers!

Haha, exactly. 

dignin

lastexitlondon said:

It's  from the british medical  journal  not you tube. Watch the video fool

Fool?

If I click on the video I don't see anything about British medical journal.

I'm not going to waste my time watching a YouTube video posted by someone trying to peddle conspiracy theories. Or someone who calls me a fool. Imagine that.

There are posting guidelines otherwise I would tell you what I really think of your nonsense.

Meltdown99

dignin said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's  from the british medical  journal  not you tube. Watch the video fool

Fool?

If I click on the video I don't see anything about British medical journal.

I'm not going to waste my time watching a YouTube video posted by someone trying to peddle conspiracy theories. Or someone who calls me a fool. Imagine that.

There are posting guidelines otherwise I would tell you what I really think of your nonsense.

You come on here and insult people all the time.  That’s your go to move when getting your losing a debate…STOP With THE I AM SO INNOCENT BULLSHIT…

Go Beavers

lastexitlondon said:

To be clear i have  had 3 vaccines. Im in no way anti fuck all . And yes its saved lives but I'm  wondering why the non transparency  . Lets see it all and make our adult minds up and for our children  
 Thats all. This place is fuckin ridiculous  and  narrow

Here’s more details on the trials from Pfizer. 146 pages. 

https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf#page93

lastexitlondon

Apologies for my poor language. 
Im not a conspiracy theory person.
Nevermind.
I had AZ for my first 2 doses and there  was terrible panic around the time of second dose and for my son who is 23 we were in an awful situation where it was said not to be used  on the young but still have  the  second shot.

dignin

Meltdown99 said:

dignin said:

lastexitlondon said:

It's  from the british medical  journal  not you tube. Watch the video fool

Fool?

If I click on the video I don't see anything about British medical journal.

I'm not going to waste my time watching a YouTube video posted by someone trying to peddle conspiracy theories. Or someone who calls me a fool. Imagine that.

There are posting guidelines otherwise I would tell you what I really think of your nonsense.

You come on here and insult people all the time.  That’s your go to move when getting your losing a debate…STOP With THE I AM SO INNOCENT BULLSHIT…

Got anymore racist memes to post?

Spiritual_Chaos

https://twitter.com/TheoShantonas/status/1487549147695783939?s=20&t=IOlbEvdAN3deg3kqlatexw

Lerxst1992

lastexitlondon said:

Apologies for my poor language. 
Im not a conspiracy theory person.
Nevermind.
I had AZ for my first 2 doses and there  was terrible panic around the time of second dose and for my son who is 23 we were in an awful situation where it was said not to be used  on the young but still have  the  second shot.

FWIW I think you’re asking a reasonable question and yes it originated in the BMJ, not you tube. More data is better, but that CDC data is clear, deaths caused or contributed by Covid are much higher among unvaccinated. In addition, anecdotally, many hospital representatives, doctors, nurses, etc have been saying, even during the milder omicron surge, that the ICUs are populated by mainly unvaccinated patients. 

lastexitlondon

Lerxst1992 said:

lastexitlondon said:

Apologies for my poor language. 
Im not a conspiracy theory person.
Nevermind.
I had AZ for my first 2 doses and there  was terrible panic around the time of second dose and for my son who is 23 we were in an awful situation where it was said not to be used  on the young but still have  the  second shot.

FWIW I think you’re asking a reasonable question and yes it originated in the BMJ, not you tube. More data is better, but that CDC data is clear, deaths caused or contributed by Covid are much higher among unvaccinated. In addition, anecdotally, many hospital representatives, doctors, nurses, etc have been saying, even during the milder omicron surge, that the ICUs are populated by mainly unvaccinated patients. 

I agree