How long before Ed postpones his tour?

Weston1283

D-Rod said:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

uglybabo said:

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

No cancellation incoming. Expect more dates. No Canada 

I read above that you’re referring to the Ed solo dates, but any hint of Canada getting dropped from the Gigaton tour?

Canada not getting dropped as of now. 

This is also good news concerning the 2020 reschedule announcement.  Sounds like that’s still on tap for early 2022. 

Or in November along with MSG and the East Coast

EV February shows will be a 100% go

OceansJenny

LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:

No cancellation incoming. Expect more dates. No Canada 

Bless you kind sir!!

Showbiz78

At this point we’re counting common colds with these case count numbers. Let’s ride these next few weeks out and enter the endemic phase like champs

JH6056

pjhawks said:

There is zero reason to cancel shows because of the Omicron variant if everyone is vaccinated and you require vaccinations for attendance.  The point of vaccinations was to mitigate the horrible results of COVID and to allow us to return to some normalcy.   Vaccinated people are barely affected by this new variant.  Yes I know they can pass it on to others but even if pass it on to other vaccinated people those vaccinated people will barely be affected.   No reason to consider cancelling at this point in my opinion as long as you require everyone to be vaccinated.  Let's stop treating the omicron variant like it's COVID in 2020 and no one was vaccinated and we barely had effective treatments.

Your post misses a KEY point in the original meaning of "vaccination proof required".  Up until Omicron (so from Delta and before), if you gave proof of vaccination, breakthrough cases were very much still the exception.  So it was a reasonable assumption that an indoor venue full of people who showed proof of vaccination meant there was a very slim chance of anyone actually being breakthrough and then you standing right next to them.  I got in quite a few indoor shows (I think 7) between starting to go to shows again in August and now. And even the vaxxed shows I wore my mask and it was all good.

Omicron, obviously, is different.  People who are vaxxed and even boosted are getting it.  Some of the MOST careful, cautious, "I won't even socialize outdoors until I know the vaxxes work" people we know are not positive for Covid.  Omicron spreads like nobody's difference.

WHICH, for people who have immuno-compromised people at home, or kids under 12 at home, CHANGES THE CALCULATION OF RISK.  It is VERY possible to go to an indoor show, sit/stand in 1 place for at least 90 min (usually more if there's a support act), and then walk out having picked up Omicron. Esp if you don't have a KN95 or N95 mask.

So you can't talk about indoor shows under Omicron as if nothing has changed in the actual transmission calculation when everyone is vaxxed, because it's absolutely changed.  Some states and even a couple of other countries are only NOW, under Omicron, breaking their previous records of #s of new cases in a day.  SURE most people who were vaxxed are having minimal symptoms.  But let me scream this for the people in the back: IF YOU LIVE WITH OR ARE AROUND OLD PEOPLE, IMMUNO-COMPROMISED PEOPLE, OR CHILDREN UNDER 12, YOU DO **NOT** WANT TO BE POSITIVE FOR COVID & POSSIBLY PASS IT ON!!!

It changes things and it's good that bands and promoters are offering refunds or rescheduling.

JH6056

DEGBTI said:

for gods sake, if your not comfortable don't go. How hard is that. This is life now, deal with it. Enough of the world is coming to an end crap. Its a fricken virus that's hear to stay. It will be here in feb, march and so on. Adjust accordingly and move on. So over this crap, its not 2020. Those who want to be vaxed have and those who don't wont. So hear we are. Arguing is pointless at this point. Living life like this is now the way its going to be so lets just do it!

What you say is great for individual ticket holders.

What you say does NOT work for those responsible for holding the events and playing/working the tours.  It is more than an individual decision, it's a whole universe of people affected.  

So sure, you do you, go or don't go based on your comfort.  Promoters, bands, and venues though, have to think much bigger.  I'm not saying the answer will always be "Cancel" or "Postpone", but the responsibility is far greater and affects far more people so not at all as basic as "go if you're comfortable, don't go if you're not."

OceansJenny

Did we solve corona yet?

pjhawks

JH6056 said:

pjhawks said:

There is zero reason to cancel shows because of the Omicron variant if everyone is vaccinated and you require vaccinations for attendance.  The point of vaccinations was to mitigate the horrible results of COVID and to allow us to return to some normalcy.   Vaccinated people are barely affected by this new variant.  Yes I know they can pass it on to others but even if pass it on to other vaccinated people those vaccinated people will barely be affected.   No reason to consider cancelling at this point in my opinion as long as you require everyone to be vaccinated.  Let's stop treating the omicron variant like it's COVID in 2020 and no one was vaccinated and we barely had effective treatments.

Your post misses a KEY point in the original meaning of "vaccination proof required".  Up until Omicron (so from Delta and before), if you gave proof of vaccination, breakthrough cases were very much still the exception.  So it was a reasonable assumption that an indoor venue full of people who showed proof of vaccination meant there was a very slim chance of anyone actually being breakthrough and then you standing right next to them.  I got in quite a few indoor shows (I think 7) between starting to go to shows again in August and now. And even the vaxxed shows I wore my mask and it was all good.

Omicron, obviously, is different.  People who are vaxxed and even boosted are getting it.  Some of the MOST careful, cautious, "I won't even socialize outdoors until I know the vaxxes work" people we know are not positive for Covid.  Omicron spreads like nobody's difference.

WHICH, for people who have immuno-compromised people at home, or kids under 12 at home, CHANGES THE CALCULATION OF RISK.  It is VERY possible to go to an indoor show, sit/stand in 1 place for at least 90 min (usually more if there's a support act), and then walk out having picked up Omicron. Esp if you don't have a KN95 or N95 mask.

So you can't talk about indoor shows under Omicron as if nothing has changed in the actual transmission calculation when everyone is vaxxed, because it's absolutely changed.  Some states and even a couple of other countries are only NOW, under Omicron, breaking their previous records of #s of new cases in a day.  SURE most people who were vaxxed are having minimal symptoms.  But let me scream this for the people in the back: IF YOU LIVE WITH OR ARE AROUND OLD PEOPLE, IMMUNO-COMPROMISED PEOPLE, OR CHILDREN UNDER 12, YOU DO **NOT** WANT TO BE POSITIVE FOR COVID & POSSIBLY PASS IT ON!!!

It changes things and it's good that bands and promoters are offering refunds or rescheduling.

With vaccines if this is still the standard then life as we know it is over.  We will never go out in public again.  Vaccines work.  Its proven by the numbers but fear sells 

Noload

pjhawks said:

JH6056 said:

pjhawks said:

There is zero reason to cancel shows because of the Omicron variant if everyone is vaccinated and you require vaccinations for attendance.  The point of vaccinations was to mitigate the horrible results of COVID and to allow us to return to some normalcy.   Vaccinated people are barely affected by this new variant.  Yes I know they can pass it on to others but even if pass it on to other vaccinated people those vaccinated people will barely be affected.   No reason to consider cancelling at this point in my opinion as long as you require everyone to be vaccinated.  Let's stop treating the omicron variant like it's COVID in 2020 and no one was vaccinated and we barely had effective treatments.

Your post misses a KEY point in the original meaning of "vaccination proof required".  Up until Omicron (so from Delta and before), if you gave proof of vaccination, breakthrough cases were very much still the exception.  So it was a reasonable assumption that an indoor venue full of people who showed proof of vaccination meant there was a very slim chance of anyone actually being breakthrough and then you standing right next to them.  I got in quite a few indoor shows (I think 7) between starting to go to shows again in August and now. And even the vaxxed shows I wore my mask and it was all good.

Omicron, obviously, is different.  People who are vaxxed and even boosted are getting it.  Some of the MOST careful, cautious, "I won't even socialize outdoors until I know the vaxxes work" people we know are not positive for Covid.  Omicron spreads like nobody's difference.

WHICH, for people who have immuno-compromised people at home, or kids under 12 at home, CHANGES THE CALCULATION OF RISK.  It is VERY possible to go to an indoor show, sit/stand in 1 place for at least 90 min (usually more if there's a support act), and then walk out having picked up Omicron. Esp if you don't have a KN95 or N95 mask.

So you can't talk about indoor shows under Omicron as if nothing has changed in the actual transmission calculation when everyone is vaxxed, because it's absolutely changed.  Some states and even a couple of other countries are only NOW, under Omicron, breaking their previous records of #s of new cases in a day.  SURE most people who were vaxxed are having minimal symptoms.  But let me scream this for the people in the back: IF YOU LIVE WITH OR ARE AROUND OLD PEOPLE, IMMUNO-COMPROMISED PEOPLE, OR CHILDREN UNDER 12, YOU DO **NOT** WANT TO BE POSITIVE FOR COVID & POSSIBLY PASS IT ON!!!

It changes things and it's good that bands and promoters are offering refunds or rescheduling.

With vaccines if this is still the standard then life as we know it is over.  We will never go out in public again.  Vaccines work.  Its proven by the numbers but fear sells 

Yeah but if one person has the potential to make another person sick we must, in the name of safety safety safety safety safety safety safety, take a pause,  take 15 days to slow the spread, wait for effective vaccines, postpone, temporarily suspend, cancel...life. Bring on the shows before I'm so old I can't attend, not because of the fear but because I can't stay up that late!

PJNB

Noload said:

pjhawks said:

JH6056 said:

pjhawks said:

There is zero reason to cancel shows because of the Omicron variant if everyone is vaccinated and you require vaccinations for attendance.  The point of vaccinations was to mitigate the horrible results of COVID and to allow us to return to some normalcy.   Vaccinated people are barely affected by this new variant.  Yes I know they can pass it on to others but even if pass it on to other vaccinated people those vaccinated people will barely be affected.   No reason to consider cancelling at this point in my opinion as long as you require everyone to be vaccinated.  Let's stop treating the omicron variant like it's COVID in 2020 and no one was vaccinated and we barely had effective treatments.

Your post misses a KEY point in the original meaning of "vaccination proof required".  Up until Omicron (so from Delta and before), if you gave proof of vaccination, breakthrough cases were very much still the exception.  So it was a reasonable assumption that an indoor venue full of people who showed proof of vaccination meant there was a very slim chance of anyone actually being breakthrough and then you standing right next to them.  I got in quite a few indoor shows (I think 7) between starting to go to shows again in August and now. And even the vaxxed shows I wore my mask and it was all good.

Omicron, obviously, is different.  People who are vaxxed and even boosted are getting it.  Some of the MOST careful, cautious, "I won't even socialize outdoors until I know the vaxxes work" people we know are not positive for Covid.  Omicron spreads like nobody's difference.

WHICH, for people who have immuno-compromised people at home, or kids under 12 at home, CHANGES THE CALCULATION OF RISK.  It is VERY possible to go to an indoor show, sit/stand in 1 place for at least 90 min (usually more if there's a support act), and then walk out having picked up Omicron. Esp if you don't have a KN95 or N95 mask.

So you can't talk about indoor shows under Omicron as if nothing has changed in the actual transmission calculation when everyone is vaxxed, because it's absolutely changed.  Some states and even a couple of other countries are only NOW, under Omicron, breaking their previous records of #s of new cases in a day.  SURE most people who were vaxxed are having minimal symptoms.  But let me scream this for the people in the back: IF YOU LIVE WITH OR ARE AROUND OLD PEOPLE, IMMUNO-COMPROMISED PEOPLE, OR CHILDREN UNDER 12, YOU DO **NOT** WANT TO BE POSITIVE FOR COVID & POSSIBLY PASS IT ON!!!

It changes things and it's good that bands and promoters are offering refunds or rescheduling.

With vaccines if this is still the standard then life as we know it is over.  We will never go out in public again.  Vaccines work.  Its proven by the numbers but fear sells 

Yeah but if one person has the potential to make another person sick we must, in the name of safety safety safety safety safety safety safety, take a pause,  take 15 days to slow the spread, wait for effective vaccines, postpone, temporarily suspend, cancel...life. Bring on the shows before I'm so old I can't attend, not because of the fear but because I can't stay up that late!

Staying up late is definitely a challenge lately! lol

bbiggs

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

Not yet, but I believe everything we need to solve it is contained in these forums.  Step aside Fauci...make room for the 10C!

THEBIBLEISTEN

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Go Beavers

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Really just get the vaccine. A mask isn’t close to a substitute. 

nicknyr15

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

Merkin Baller

nicknyr15 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

Based on what you've been saying recently, the vaxx rate in NY is BS what with all the doctors there taking cash to squirt the syringe in the trash. 

JH6056

nicknyr15 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

But the mandates DID work when it was Delta and vaccines not only worked to prevent hospitalization, they worked to significantly reduce spread.  But because so many still did NOT vax and didn't mask, Omicron was able to evolve and now it's much more spreadable by even vaxxed people.

Vaccines STILL WORK, they still prevent hospitalization and death (which is kinda the most important point), but now with Omicron the spread is out of control and everyone has to... again... do a reset.

Meanwhile though, as people who choose to stay unvaxxed either die off or watch someone else die and then finally choose to vax, at some point in the next 6 months or so it's likely some strange steady state of this will present.  Who knows what it will require us to do on a daily basis, but the supply of unvaxxed people who perpetuate this madness IS dwindling. Slowly.

Postponing shows in light of all this isn't about fear. It's about responsibility to your public AND your own crew and band members. And it's honestly not any private pissed off individual's call to make, because as we've seen, a lot of pissed off people are NOT thinking in terms of the larger public interest. They're only thinking about themselves. Promoters, bands, crew, and venues have a LOT of people to consider, and they are right to consider it carefully. Not be absurd, but when there is a new problem (and Omicron is new in it's insane spreadability among even the vaxxed), then they have to pause and consider.

THEBIBLEISTEN

JH6056 said:

nicknyr15 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

But the mandates DID work when it was Delta and vaccines not only worked to prevent hospitalization, they worked to significantly reduce spread.  But because so many still did NOT vax and didn't mask, Omicron was able to evolve and now it's much more spreadable by even vaxxed people.

Vaccines STILL WORK, they still prevent hospitalization and death (which is kinda the most important point), but now with Omicron the spread is out of control and everyone has to... again... do a reset.

Meanwhile though, as people who choose to stay unvaxxed either die off or watch someone else die and then finally choose to vax, at some point in the next 6 months or so it's likely some strange steady state of this will present.  Who knows what it will require us to do on a daily basis, but the supply of unvaxxed people who perpetuate this madness IS dwindling. Slowly.

Postponing shows in light of all this isn't about fear. It's about responsibility to your public AND your own crew and band members. And it's honestly not any private pissed off individual's call to make, because as we've seen, a lot of pissed off people are NOT thinking in terms of the larger public interest. They're only thinking about themselves. Promoters, bands, crew, and venues have a LOT of people to consider, and they are right to consider it carefully. Not be absurd, but when there is a new problem (and Omicron is new in it's insane spreadability among even the vaxxed), then they have to pause and consider.

+1. Well said!!

ComeToTX

Touring during omicron won’t be possible. You’d have positives within the touring group everyday, just like we’re seeing in sports. Let’s just hope we get through this wave quickly. 

nicknyr15

Merkin Baller said:

nicknyr15 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

Based on what you've been saying recently, the vaxx rate in NY is BS what with all the doctors there taking cash to squirt the syringe in the trash. 

I agree. Plus the fake vaccine cards? But I’m not sure the fake cards actually register in any kind of data base. And the fake shots that do get entered in , I’m sure it’s a very small percent. So I maintain my stance 

Merkin Baller

nicknyr15 said:

Merkin Baller said:

nicknyr15 said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

OceansJenny said:

Did we solve corona yet?

We actually did, people just didn’t get the vaccine or wear a mask. Could have been over. 

Non sense. You expect everyone in the entire world to get vaccinated and wear a mask? That was never going to happen. Here in NYC with the most harsh mandates and a high vaccination rate, we are setting records daily with infections. 

Based on what you've been saying recently, the vaxx rate in NY is BS what with all the doctors there taking cash to squirt the syringe in the trash. 

I agree. Plus the fake vaccine cards? But I’m not sure the fake cards actually register in any kind of data base. And the fake shots that do get entered in , I’m sure it’s a very small percent. So I maintain my stance 

Ok 

JimmyV

Glen Hansard has another tour scheduled for the middle of March. Not a large window to add more shows to the Ed tour.