How long before Ed postpones his tour?

CO278952

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Get_Right

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

bbiggs

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

Noload

bbiggs said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

Good luck getting the Covid talk in it's proper spot.  Pissing into the wind is apt.   The other problem is the rumor thread should rarely have comments if it's stuck to topic...rumors just don't seem to occur like they used to especially with Dimi seemingly retired lol.  Here's hoping for those 2022 dates in January.  I'm surprised there's at least not some Festival or ballpark rumors.  Those seem to leak earlier than the rest.  PJ did tweet about which festivals folks attended last year so maybe that's the beginning?

rey

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Why would you want to go to the Jets game?  

Go Beavers

Abe Froman said:

I don't want to get into this shit.  I will leave it at this...
One of the best things I've done is step out of the liberal echo chamber.  I suggest trying it for a minute.  Anyway, I hope these shows go on as I am very excited to see Ed and the Earthlings!  Happy Holidays.  

You’re complaining about what politicians said about the vaccine. What’s that have to do with the liberal echo chamber? 

Go Beavers

KL159781 said:

Abe Froman said:

Go Beavers said:

Abe Froman said:

Go Beavers said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

The govt has a vested interest in keeping people scared? Your post is cringey at best. Maybe the reason the pandemic is going strong is because of these mass gatherings and people being in these indoor tight spaces. I’m glad your happy about having better seats at a show, but there is bigger priorities right now, like trying to keep people alive. Your post comes across as ignorant. You got fools using fake vaccine cards and don’t give 2 shits if they infect anyone. 

It’s still going because of the unvaccinated. 

Bullshit.  The vaccine doesn’t work they way they originally said. Lowers risk of hospitalization and death. Does not stop the spread. 

It reduces spread. Efficacy was never said to be 100%. 

The “experts” said it would be highly effective against getting Covid. “You won’t get or spread the virus”. That’s what they said. Fauci, Biden, Gates and more.  

In late 2020 into early 2021, the vaccines were presented to the American public with 2 statistical results from trials. Pfizer and Moderna were both said to be 94-95% effective in preventing one from getting covid. J and J was more around 75-80% I believe. The second statistic presented was how efficient they were in preventing serious infection and hospitalization, which was a lower percentage, but still high. There was also widespread speculation that they would be effective for at least a year.

People heard this 94-95% figure and felt once they were vaccinated, they were safe and could discard masks and distancing. Clearly once Delta hit, it was apparent that breakthrough cases were happening far more than the public was led to believe. 

My personal belief is these vaccines are pretty pour at preventing infection, but are strong in preventing hospitalization. Ultimately that’s the most important, but it isn’t how the vaccines were originally presented prior to Delta. No one ever said they were 100% effective but they did push the 94-95% effective stat in the media.

So many vaccinated people were overconfident and became part of the problem contributing to the spread. It’s not accurate to only blame unvaccinated for spreading covid, just as it’s not accurate to group all unvaccinated as Trumpers, when a very high percentage are blacks and hispanics.

You might be confusing actually getting Covid vs just getting a positive test result. We’re seeing a lot of the latter because people are obsessing over testing and it’s driving a lot of these panic cancelations. The metric that should’ve been the focus since last summer when the vaccine was widely available is hospitalizations and deaths.   

JimmyV

I do think we can't discuss scheduling and potential postponements without talking about COVID, but at some point it does become an AMT issue. Feels like we've crossed into that territory here. 

Go Beavers

KL159781 said:

NewfieintheUSA said:

KL159781 said:

Abe Froman said:

Go Beavers said:

Abe Froman said:

Go Beavers said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

The govt has a vested interest in keeping people scared? Your post is cringey at best. Maybe the reason the pandemic is going strong is because of these mass gatherings and people being in these indoor tight spaces. I’m glad your happy about having better seats at a show, but there is bigger priorities right now, like trying to keep people alive. Your post comes across as ignorant. You got fools using fake vaccine cards and don’t give 2 shits if they infect anyone. 

It’s still going because of the unvaccinated. 

Bullshit.  The vaccine doesn’t work they way they originally said. Lowers risk of hospitalization and death. Does not stop the spread. 

It reduces spread. Efficacy was never said to be 100%. 

The “experts” said it would be highly effective against getting Covid. “You won’t get or spread the virus”. That’s what they said. Fauci, Biden, Gates and more.  

In late 2020 into early 2021, the vaccines were presented to the American public with 2 statistical results from trials. Pfizer and Moderna were both said to be 94-95% effective in preventing one from getting covid. J and J was more around 75-80% I believe. The second statistic presented was how efficient they were in preventing serious infection and hospitalization, which was a lower percentage, but still high. There was also widespread speculation that they would be effective for at least a year.

People heard this 94-95% figure and felt once they were vaccinated, they were safe and could discard masks and distancing. Clearly once Delta hit, it was apparent that breakthrough cases were happening far more than the public was led to believe. 

My personal belief is these vaccines are pretty pour at preventing infection, but are strong in preventing hospitalization. Ultimately that’s the most important, but it isn’t how the vaccines were originally presented prior to Delta. No one ever said they were 100% effective but they did push the 94-95% effective stat in the media.

So many vaccinated people were overconfident and became part of the problem contributing to the spread. It’s not accurate to only blame unvaccinated for spreading covid, just as it’s not accurate to group all unvaccinated as Trumpers, when a very high percentage are blacks and hispanics.

The 94-95% was not presented as not getting COVID, it was presented as preventing severe COVID symptoms. I'm sure many people assumed that the number was meant as preventing COVID altogether, but it was not presented that way. 

That’s not correct. It was presented as not getting covid. The following is taken from cdc.gov, with the first section, which was widely reported by the media, specifically saying it was 94.1% effective at preventing infection in the trials:

• Based on evidence from clinical trials, in people ages 18 years and older, the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine was 94.1% effective at preventing laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 infection in people who received two doses and had no evidence of being previously infected.
• The vaccine was also effective in clinical trials at preventing COVID-19 among people of diverse age, sex, race, and ethnicity categories and among people with underlying medical conditions.
• Evidence shows mRNA COVID-19 vaccines offer similar protection in real-world conditions as they have in clinical trial settings―reducing the risk of COVID-19, including severe illness, by 90% or more among people who are fully vaccinated.

It does seem to have been effective in the first half of 2021 in keeping people from getting covid, but since Delta arrived, vaccinated people getting covid has been pretty large. People got overconfident with their protection, due to what they heard early on about the vaccines. The subsequent huge rise in breakthrough cases fueled anti vaxxers to say it doesn’t work and caused a big backtracking of pro vaccine people to say it was only meant to prevent hospitalizations.  

Currently the rate of unvaccinated people getting a positive test result is about five times higher than vaccinated people. 

Go Beavers

bbiggs said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

The bullshit talk is relevant to the original question about whether or not the shows get postponed. 

SVRDhand13

At this point I wish I actually went for EV Beacon tix in case there was a rescheduled date I could actually make.  

bbiggs

Go Beavers said:

bbiggs said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

The bullshit talk is relevant to the original question about whether or not the shows get postponed. 

Thanks for letting me know.  As my post stated, Covid is relevant to the topic, up to a point.  That point was crossed long ago and should be taken to AMT.  But again, thank you for your input.

Go Beavers

bbiggs said:

Go Beavers said:

bbiggs said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

The bullshit talk is relevant to the original question about whether or not the shows get postponed. 

Thanks for letting me know.  As my post stated, Covid is relevant to the topic, up to a point.  That point was crossed long ago and should be taken to AMT.  But again, thank you for your input.

The original question draws out people’s perceptions of what’s happening. Perceptions range from people thinking the vaccines don’t do much and the pandemic will never end (shows canceled) to the fact that we’ll peak as a country in about two weeks, and Omicron is mild, especially if vaccinated (shows are a go). 

Weston1283

bbiggs said:

Go Beavers said:

bbiggs said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Bingo.  An entire section of the forum is dedicated to this (A Moving Train for those unaware).  Plenty of opportunity to post one's personal thoughts on all things Covid there.  Sure, Covid is relevant to EV's tour and PJ's pending rescheduled tour if/when they get postponed or cancelled, but all the bullshit talk in between should be taken elsewhere.  It would be great if this thread could stick to information about tours moving forward or being cancelled so we all remain informed, but I fully realize I'm pissing into the wind with this post.

The bullshit talk is relevant to the original question about whether or not the shows get postponed. 

Thanks for letting me know.  As my post stated, Covid is relevant to the topic, up to a point.  That point was crossed long ago and should be taken to AMT.  But again, thank you for your input.

Exactly.  Covid is relative to the original topic when it comes to discussing local and federal regulations, mandates, sharing new info on other similar tours being moved or postponed, etc.

As soon as the "vaccine this vs vaccine that" argument gets brought into it, the thread is derailed and all hell breaks loose.  Happens every single time without fail in every topic similar to this.  There is literally a thread in AMT called Viruses/Vaccines where that info can be discussed openly.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Abe Froman said:

I don't want to get into this shit.  I will leave it at this...
One of the best things I've done is step out of the liberal echo chamber.  I suggest trying it for a minute.  Anyway, I hope these shows go on as I am very excited to see Ed and the Earthlings!  Happy Holidays.  

Now it’s about what side your on? Ok, good luck. 

Get_Right

rey said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Why would you want to go to the Jets game?  

To see Tom Brady play football and to drink some beer outside.  And tickets are cheap so it could be fun.  Not sure yet.

tempo_n_groove

Get_Right said:

rey said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Why would you want to go to the Jets game?  

To see Tom Brady play football and to drink some beer outside.  And tickets are cheap so it could be fun.  Not sure yet.

No Jets game is fun.  

2-feign-reluctance

ComeToTX

tempo_n_groove said:

Get_Right said:

rey said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Why would you want to go to the Jets game?  

To see Tom Brady play football and to drink some beer outside.  And tickets are cheap so it could be fun.  Not sure yet.

No Jets game is fun.  

Not if you’re a Jests fan. 

Get_Right

tempo_n_groove said:

Get_Right said:

rey said:

Get_Right said:

CO278952 said:

Thread should be closed

Or taken somewhere else.  I would like to know about things closing in NYC ahead of NYE, sounds like any large gatherings are being shut down.  And yet, I can go to the Jets game on Sunday if I want to. Crazy.

Why would you want to go to the Jets game?  

To see Tom Brady play football and to drink some beer outside.  And tickets are cheap so it could be fun.  Not sure yet.

No Jets game is fun.  

As long as I am with my friends it will be fun.  Just not sure a "mass" gathering is a good idea given the the state of NY.  I made it through, Sea Hear Now, Ohana 1, US Grand Prix (130K on Sunday), and three nights of MMJ in a row without an issue, but I feel like this would be testing my luck.