America's Gun Violence #2

HughFreakingDillon

sorry, it was mentioned twice in 25 seconds. good lord these people have no fucking decency. 

video below

HughFreakingDillon

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530219824156139523

HughFreakingDillon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T7y200gWD8

it seems they've all gotten together and agreed on the deflection du jour. PIECES OF GARBAGE. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. 

bootlegger10

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

HughFreakingDillon

https://twitter.com/i/status/1529848134989406208

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

bootlegger10

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

My post was not sarcastic.  It was 100% fine and reasonable.   I said it my post it wasn’t the teacher’s fault.  But, the teacher did prop a locked door open.  I don’t know why, and there may be a chance the shooter might  have made it into the school anyway.  

My point is that by publicizing how the shooter got in (a propped open door), maybe people will think twice about propping open a door that is locked to help protect people just in case.  

Nobody should be blaming the teacher, but locked doors are one of the defenses.  The shooter could have got in some other way too but what if it did take him another two minutes to find a way in and a cop got there in that two minutes?

We can be anti-gun and point out other ways to defend ourselves too.

Cropduster-80

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

I was trying to address that point earlier.  Door open could be because the AC is broken.  It’s exactly why that happens at my kids school. These politicians blaming the door also cut school funding to the point they can’t get it fixed 

it’s hard to learn when it’s 85 degrees inside.  It’s easy to say it should be closed and we don’t know why it was open. That’s my guess. Assuming incompetence on the part of the school who have an impossible job with no money seems less likely to me 

Doors are the analogy here.  Locking them down Vs tackling problems in schools that makes learning impossible. Who failed these kids who grow up to be shooters? The school or the system that makes these schools anything but places of opportunity? 

Reinforce the doors or actually hire a social worker?
reinforce the door or support students so they have a reasonable chance at success after leaving that school? All these mass shooters were these students once.  Hardly any of them have any level of success or positive things in their lives.  I don’t know of many rich, highly educated shooters with a ton of opportunity in their lives 

We will throw all kinds of money at doors

gimmesometruth27

the cops breached the door

with a key

that they got from a janitor.

so much for all the macho cop breaking down the door bs.

gimmesometruth27

so the republicans want door control. no mention of the one thing common in all of these shootings. the ar-15.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530219824156139523

Every cop who tries to pin the blame on the teacher should have his ass fired and not be allowed to be re-hired.  Or maybe send them to work with the Ukrainian army on the front line. 

gimmesometruth27

HughFreakingDillon said:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1530219824156139523

is that boss hogg in the background?

Bentleyspop

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1530252617296891906?t=cPvXI4f9eXNXTTyhdz8Iig&s=19

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

My post was not sarcastic.  It was 100% fine and reasonable.   I said it my post it wasn’t the teacher’s fault.  But, the teacher did prop a locked door open.  I don’t know why, and there may be a chance the shooter might  have made it into the school anyway.  

My point is that by publicizing how the shooter got in (a propped open door), maybe people will think twice about propping open a door that is locked to help protect people just in case.  

Nobody should be blaming the teacher, but locked doors are one of the defenses.  The shooter could have got in some other way too but what if it did take him another two minutes to find a way in and a cop got there in that two minutes?

We can be anti-gun and point out other ways to defend ourselves too.

but by allowing the focus to be on that at this stage, you/we are paving the way for that to the ridiculous distraction gun nuts need to get through this unscathed. AGAIN. sure, mention it later in a report. But this cop purposely made it the focus of that part of the press release. sorry, but you're buying it. 

I'm not. 

another two minutes with these (supposedly) coward cops would have done nothing. again, shifting the blame. of COURSE he would have gotten in another way. I've never ONCE heard of a school shooting being thwarted by locked doors. ffs

tbergs

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1530252617296891906?t=cPvXI4f9eXNXTTyhdz8Iig&s=19

Sorry David, it's not. People have moved on to "door gate". Abbott couldn't say gun, but I'm sure he'll say door at least 10 times at the next press conference he holds.

Halifax2TheMax

Bentleyspop said:

https://twitter.com/davidhogg111/status/1530252617296891906?t=cPvXI4f9eXNXTTyhdz8Iig&s=19

Hate to say it but I don’t think it’s going to be different at all. When the commotion of the emotion settles down and Moscow Mitchy Baby holds up any bill or the repubs vote it down and they run out the clock until the midterms and more gun nutters get elected at all levels of gubmint or they pass a bill that is immediately challenged as unconstitutional and it’s fast tracked to the insurrectionist corrupt SCOTUS, they can say they tried and nothing changes. And then it’ll happen again.

mace1229

I saw that conference earlier. I didn’t see that as blaming the teacher. People wanted to know how the shooter got in. They have details. He didn’t harp on that fact. Just answering a question everyone’s been asking for 3 days.
You think if he just said the shooter enter through an unlocked or propped open door people would t be asking why wasn’t it locked closed?

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

I saw that conference earlier. I didn’t see that as blaming the teacher. People wanted to know how the shooter got in. They have details. He didn’t harp on that fact. Just answering a question everyone’s been asking for 3 days.
You think if he just said the shooter enter through an unlocked or propped open door people would t be asking why wasn’t it locked closed?

i want to know why they did not go in and why they waited. nothing else matters beyond that. they knew there was a shooter shooting kids inside a school. that is as big of an emergency as it gets. 

since this is texas, i wonder if they were waiting for the us cavalry to come rolling in to save the day. or the texas rangers.

the police response here was fucking inexcusable.

bootlegger10

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

My post was not sarcastic.  It was 100% fine and reasonable.   I said it my post it wasn’t the teacher’s fault.  But, the teacher did prop a locked door open.  I don’t know why, and there may be a chance the shooter might  have made it into the school anyway.  

My point is that by publicizing how the shooter got in (a propped open door), maybe people will think twice about propping open a door that is locked to help protect people just in case.  

Nobody should be blaming the teacher, but locked doors are one of the defenses.  The shooter could have got in some other way too but what if it did take him another two minutes to find a way in and a cop got there in that two minutes?

We can be anti-gun and point out other ways to defend ourselves too.

but by allowing the focus to be on that at this stage, you/we are paving the way for that to the ridiculous distraction gun nuts need to get through this unscathed. AGAIN. sure, mention it later in a report. But this cop purposely made it the focus of that part of the press release. sorry, but you're buying it. 

I'm not. 

another two minutes with these (supposedly) coward cops would have done nothing. again, shifting the blame. of COURSE he would have gotten in another way. I've never ONCE heard of a school shooting being thwarted by locked doors. ffs

Hugh, we can’t get guns out of circulation tomorrow so if we are going to protect kids in school today and tomorrow, the best thing the general public can do to keep each other safe is be diligent about securing the building you are in.  

That is all I am saying.  I hate automatic guns too.  I hate the NRA too.  A pistol for protection is the only thing I can be okay with because we will never ban guns.  I am placing zero blame on the teacher, and nobody should be using the teacher as a scapegoat, or saying doors are the answer to all of our security problems.  

I get that you are upset, and we all are, but don’t project things on other people that they are not saying.  Not everything needs to be an argument.  I should be able to post here saying that people shouldn’t prop open doors that are meant to keep kids safe, and not have to caveat it like I have to do by saying I don’t like guns, not the teacher’s fault, yada yada yada.  This is a big problem on AMT and I think why moderates like myself don’t post often.

OnWis97

gimmesometruth27 said:

so the republicans want door control. no mention of the one thing common in all of these shootings. the ar-15.

Doors are not mentioned in the Constitution so doors are OK. If I was an NRA-funded Senator, I'd advocate hard for door control. Without doors, people would be more likely to buy guns.