America's Gun Violence #2

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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    You have to jump through hoops to even get a permit in NY.  The sky isn't falling.  Relax.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    OnWis97 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Kinda like the Plaxico Burress case. I was not surprised the NRA did not make a peep about that one. Because his right to bear arms and be sloppy about it only didn't get someone killed through blind luck. (Oh, and he doesn't "look" like the image of a hard-working man just trying to defend himself, his family, and his property).
    Plaxico had an illegal gun.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    OnWis97 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Kinda like the Plaxico Burress case. I was not surprised the NRA did not make a peep about that one. Because his right to bear arms and be sloppy about it only didn't get someone killed through blind luck. (Oh, and he doesn't "look" like the image of a hard-working man just trying to defend himself, his family, and his property).
    Plaxico had an illegal gun.
    I know. But should it have been illegal? What part of "shall not be infringed" was misunderstood there?

    I'm not a gun guy/fan but would that gun have been legal following this decision?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
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    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    OnWis97 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Kinda like the Plaxico Burress case. I was not surprised the NRA did not make a peep about that one. Because his right to bear arms and be sloppy about it only didn't get someone killed through blind luck. (Oh, and he doesn't "look" like the image of a hard-working man just trying to defend himself, his family, and his property).
    Plaxico had an illegal gun.
    If he had a legal gun do you think he wouldn’t have shot himself? That maybe he’d be a better gun handler?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Kinda like the Plaxico Burress case. I was not surprised the NRA did not make a peep about that one. Because his right to bear arms and be sloppy about it only didn't get someone killed through blind luck. (Oh, and he doesn't "look" like the image of a hard-working man just trying to defend himself, his family, and his property).
    Plaxico had an illegal gun.
    I know. But should it have been illegal? What part of "shall not be infringed" was misunderstood there?

    I'm not a gun guy/fan but would that gun have been legal following this decision?
    No it would not, he bought the gun illegally.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    You have to jump through hoops to even get a permit in NY.  The sky isn't falling.  Relax.
    Let’s see in a year what the shooting stats are for NY versus the past year. We’ll use July to June fiscal year. Unless the SCOTUS decision takes effect on a specific date?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
    If they threw the concealed law out then I am not sure what is stopping them from undoing the machine gun laws.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,368
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
    I learned recently that the catholic church considers people aged 12 and up adults. 

    gee, I wonder why that is?

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
    I learned recently that the catholic church considers people aged 12 and up adults. 

    gee, I wonder why that is?

    (sorry for the derail)
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 17,082
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
    I learned recently that the catholic church considers people aged 12 and up adults. 

    gee, I wonder why that is?

    (sorry for the derail)

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,763
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Kinda like the Plaxico Burress case. I was not surprised the NRA did not make a peep about that one. Because his right to bear arms and be sloppy about it only didn't get someone killed through blind luck. (Oh, and he doesn't "look" like the image of a hard-working man just trying to defend himself, his family, and his property).
    Plaxico had an illegal gun.
    I know. But should it have been illegal? What part of "shall not be infringed" was misunderstood there?

    I'm not a gun guy/fan but would that gun have been legal following this decision?



    Usually the beginning of a phrase is the most important part.

    Your quote is missing the first phrase of 2a,

     A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State…”


    obviously in 1791 jargon, militia is clearly synonymous with military in todays language. And that phrase, seemingly clearly, is talking about national security.

    until 2008 at least,  when Scalia invented the “two comma rule” for that phrase, regulation was an important component of gun rights. And many believe to this day, that 2a is referring to the people within the militia/military. 
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    nicknyr15 said:
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    ✌🏼


    Every time something crazy happens in NYC I think we all go immediately to “hope that didn’t hurt a PJ fan”.  And now this bull crap with the concealed carry….if you don’t have a gun get yourself one and get an open carry permit (I know that’s not how what you think is ok) so you can protect yourself from the issues this ruling will bring.  
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    Get ready for gun violence to surge in NYC and other places where concealed carry was previously restricted. Thanks SCOTUS. Can’t wait to to leave this heavily armed and scared country.
    On NPR yesterday the legislators in NY and NJ are at the ready to introduce new laws if that happens.

    Concealed carry isn't so bad.  The people whom do have it had to do a whole lot to get that permit.
    You’re comfortable with anyone who was previously legally able to purchase a gun in NY is now able to carry it concealed on their person and go about their day? I’m asking based on your “concealed carry isn’t so bad,” comment.

    The paranoid, hot head who bought a gun legally 10 years ago for home protection and was previously law abiding prior to the original gun purchase, is now carrying out in public. I pitty the barista who gets his or her order wrong or the person sitting across from one of these new concealed carriers who has their firearm fall out their pants waist and discharge. 

    Yea, I can totally see how “concealed carry isn’t so bad.”
    Seriously though....don't you think they are carrying it anyway?
    No, not all of them. The “responsible” gun owner who otherwise abides by the law and keeps their gun on the nightstand decides that now that it’s legal to conceal carry says, “why not?” Never mind they’ve never holstered or carried a gun on their person except for that rare time someone knocked on the wrong door at 2:00 am. And then you have the folks who might only carry in their neighborhood but now think it’s totally fine to traverse the five boroughs while armed because they legally can.

    Seems some folks think that because a person legally purchased a gun that they’ll be “responsible” with it upon leaving the home. Despite stats to the contrary. Good luck because we all know that more guns out and about with the general public makes us all safer.
    So I just read what the law was and seeing that it is thrown out now.

    I do not understand how the SC infringed on a states rights/laws?  I'll agree that more people possibly carrying concealed doesn't excite me.

    Mayor Adams, whom I like, will hopefully pass ne legislation about it.
    Any future legislation passed will now be considered a “burden” and thus an infringement. I suspect that age limits will now be challenged because you know, 16 year olds in 1776 were considered adults and were important to the common defense. Why should age be a burden to exercise your 2A?
    I learned recently that the catholic church considers people aged 12 and up adults. 

    gee, I wonder why that is?

    (sorry for the derail)
    You probably already know this but I think they like to think it’s because they made their own decision to be confirmed.  Fucking Catholics have excuses for everything.  
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,416
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 

    FF?
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 

    FF?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    so let me get this straight.

    the supreme court will overrule and overturn a state's own gun laws and say everyone can have a gun, but also overrule state laws that allow abortion.

    am i understanding this correctly?
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,763
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 


    To Hal’s comment, only six states had restrictive carry laws, so most states PJ plays in, encountering a gun on the walk over would have been realistic. Arenas of course are free to restrict guns on entry.

    We are here because flip flopping Independents have been more worried about the price of gas or who gives a better speech than the abuse of power from the likes of trump and McConnell over the past eight years that led to this extremist court. Turns out a filibuster is a very effective way to keep extremists off the court.

    If we lived in a country where independents could understand this long game, what is required to have a balanced court, it’s possible democrats could add justices to the court in the near future, which is 100% constitutional.

    but we don’t so they won’t.
  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    OnWis97 said:
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 

    FF?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,328
    so let me get this straight.

    the supreme court will overrule and overturn a state's own gun laws and say everyone can have a gun, but also overrule state laws that allow abortion.

    am i understanding this correctly?
    Rather shocking, but even more unsettling is that in the U.S. there are now more Republicans than there are Democrats. Imagine that- more people in the U.S. stand behind the party that brought us 45. 
    Not to sound like a drama king, but I find figures like that and a lot of what is going on in this country to be hugely depressing.  I don't sleep well anymore.  I'm literally twice a grey as I was a couple years ago.  Thank goodness for my family, friends and music.  Without them, I might well just go off the ledge.


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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
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    so let me get this straight.

    the supreme court will overrule and overturn a state's own gun laws and say everyone can have a gun, but also overrule state laws that allow abortion.

    am i understanding this correctly?
    I think that is backwards for abortion. SC ruled (or rather leaked to rule very soon) that the states can decide on abortion laws. They aren’t going to overrule any states laws that allow abortion. But rather going to allow states to make their own restrictions.

    Also, I haven’t heard anything about loosening the regulations on who can get a gun, just on who can carry. NY still has one of the strictest laws for getting a gun.

    I would agree the automatic conceal carry thing is ridiculous though.
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    Why shouldn’t someone be able to conceal carry into MSG for a PJ show? Maybe they want to wear their I Love Nickleback tee shirt? Why should any place restrict your 2A? Hospitals, banks, airports, arenas, etc. why are they special or different from a subway, crowded city sidewalk or a dark alley or deserted street?
    Wonder if artists can restrict silly shit like bringing a gun to their concerts (or whatever) 

    we are on the path to see democracy get crushed here.  Remember how vocal everyone was about loving FF?  It’s gotten fairly silent since Biden but the plans to bring fascism to the US are just being held quietly.  These extreme FF lovers are “taking names and making lists”.  And with the piece’s of shit sitting on the SC we don’t stand a chance. 

    Private establishments can prohibit firearms into their buildings. Most large concert venues don’t allow it here, with or without a permit. I’m sure many places in NY will do the same.
    But short of security screenings and metal detectors, I don’t know how you’d enforce it.
  • lindamarie73lindamarie73 Posts: 455
    brianlux said:
    so let me get this straight.

    the supreme court will overrule and overturn a state's own gun laws and say everyone can have a gun, but also overrule state laws that allow abortion.

    am i understanding this correctly?
    Rather shocking, but even more unsettling is that in the U.S. there are now more Republicans than there are Democrats. Imagine that- more people in the U.S. stand behind the party that brought us 45. 
    Not to sound like a drama king, but I find figures like that and a lot of what is going on in this country to be hugely depressing.  I don't sleep well anymore.  I'm literally twice a grey as I was a couple years ago.  Thank goodness for my family, friends and music.  Without them, I might well just go off the ledge.


    Where are you getting that there are more Republicans in America then Democrats???   I don’t see this in my travels, but If this is true, Perhaps it’s the shit-for-brains President you can thank for this….Or is the silent majority REAL??    I am going to go w/ a little of both…

  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,328
    edited June 2022
    brianlux said:
    so let me get this straight.

    the supreme court will overrule and overturn a state's own gun laws and say everyone can have a gun, but also overrule state laws that allow abortion.

    am i understanding this correctly?
    Rather shocking, but even more unsettling is that in the U.S. there are now more Republicans than there are Democrats. Imagine that- more people in the U.S. stand behind the party that brought us 45. 
    Not to sound like a drama king, but I find figures like that and a lot of what is going on in this country to be hugely depressing.  I don't sleep well anymore.  I'm literally twice a grey as I was a couple years ago.  Thank goodness for my family, friends and music.  Without them, I might well just go off the ledge.


    Where are you getting that there are more Republicans in America then Democrats???   I don’t see this in my travels, but If this is true, Perhaps it’s the shit-for-brains President you can thank for this….Or is the silent majority REAL??    I am going to go w/ a little of both…


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    As for the Rep/Dem stats., I got them from a Gallup poll that claims the majority changed over from Dem to Rep in 2021.  But it's Gallup and I don't bet on horses so who knows?  Could be a ruse!  Could but a bunch of old geezers with dementia is running that poll these days.   
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