America's Gun Violence #2

Hobbes

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

brianlux said:

Look at these again:

A Politico/Morning consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.

Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.

Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.

A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.

Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.

And fifty-four percent of voters approve of arming teachers with concealed weapons, while only 34% oppose it, a net approval of +20.

And yet look what we've got.  This is lunacy.

That last one is scary. I can't believe support for arming teachers is that high.

Agreed, it's a horrible idea!  When I as teaching, if they'd told me I had to be armed to go to work, I'd have quit.  No doubt many others would as well.  The notion that arming more people will solve the problem is insane.

That's part of the long game. Not only will arming teachers increase profits for gun manufacturers, but it will also push out the liberal/leftist teachers leaving conservative pro-gun, anti-LGBTQ, anti-CRT teachers. We're doomed.

mcgruff10

Some of The public thinks we are indoctrinating their children, want to ban books, and skip
parts of history but they now want us to carry guns in the classroom?  Get the fuck
out of here.  I ve been handling firearms for 35 years and there is zero way I would want the responsibility of carrying a firearm in school.  Fuck that.  

brianlux

Hobbes said:

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

brianlux said:

Look at these again:

A Politico/Morning consult poll out Wednesday showed “huge support” for gun regulations. It showed that 88% of voters strongly or somewhat support background checks on all gun sales, while only 8% strongly or somewhat oppose such checks. That’s a net approval of +80.

Preventing gun sales to people who have been reported to police as dangerous by a mental health provider is supported by 84% of voters while only 9% oppose it, a net approval of +75.

Seventy-seven percent of voters support requiring guns to be stored in a safe storage unit, while only 15% oppose such a requirement, a net approval of +62.

A national database for gun sales gets 75% approval and 18% disapproval, a net approval rate of +57.

Banning assault style weapons like the AR-15 has an approval rate of 67% of voters while only 25% disapprove. That’s a net approval of +42.

And fifty-four percent of voters approve of arming teachers with concealed weapons, while only 34% oppose it, a net approval of +20.

And yet look what we've got.  This is lunacy.

That last one is scary. I can't believe support for arming teachers is that high.

Agreed, it's a horrible idea!  When I as teaching, if they'd told me I had to be armed to go to work, I'd have quit.  No doubt many others would as well.  The notion that arming more people will solve the problem is insane.

That's part of the long game. Not only will arming teachers increase profits for gun manufacturers, but it will also push out the liberal/leftist teachers leaving conservative pro-gun, anti-LGBTQ, anti-CRT teachers. We're doomed.

Truly horrible to think about.  If this happens we are done (if we aren't already done).

Hope is elusive.

gimmesometruth27

mcgruff10 said:

Some of The public thinks we are indoctrinating their children, want to ban books, and skip
parts of history but they now want us to carry guns in the classroom?  Get the fuck
out of here.  I ve been handling firearms for 35 years and there is zero way I would want the responsibility of carrying a firearm in school.  Fuck that.  

when i saw that poll that someone posted last page i immediately thought of you and wondered how you would feel. i thought this is pretty much what you would say. it is hard enough for you all to just teach, and now they want you to be dirty harry too. it is just insane.

gimmesometruth27

the fact that 19 police officers were fearful to go into that school because they were scared of 1 man with an ar-15 tells me all i need to know about those guns and that they need to be regulated better than they are.

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

the fact that 19 police officers were fearful to go into that school because they were scared of 1 man with an ar-15 tells me all i need to know about those guns and that they need to be regulated better than they are.

now if it were an unarmed black man.......

HughFreakingDillon

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

I think it is a good thing to mention multiple times that the teacher propped the door open.  People should hopefully think twice next time about propping a door open (as until we get guns out of murderers hands the door is an important defense).  I hope this teacher can come to peace and not have his/her life ruined by guilt.  It isn't the teacher's fault that this happened.  The teacher did something that one out of a 1,000,000 times would not have resulted in an issue.  But we all should be thinking about the 1 in a million chance when we prop a door open that is typically locked for good reason. 

in response to what I'm really hoping is a sarcastic post:

so I suppose it also makes sense to blame the driver of a car who forgot to put their seatbelt on and got killed by a drunk driver, instead of the dangers of drunk driving? sure, mention how the driver 1 time out of a million forgot their seatbelt. but then the liquor industry has paid people to talk about that instead of the drunk driving issue. 

really?

My post was not sarcastic.  It was 100% fine and reasonable.   I said it my post it wasn’t the teacher’s fault.  But, the teacher did prop a locked door open.  I don’t know why, and there may be a chance the shooter might  have made it into the school anyway.  

My point is that by publicizing how the shooter got in (a propped open door), maybe people will think twice about propping open a door that is locked to help protect people just in case.  

Nobody should be blaming the teacher, but locked doors are one of the defenses.  The shooter could have got in some other way too but what if it did take him another two minutes to find a way in and a cop got there in that two minutes?

We can be anti-gun and point out other ways to defend ourselves too.

but by allowing the focus to be on that at this stage, you/we are paving the way for that to the ridiculous distraction gun nuts need to get through this unscathed. AGAIN. sure, mention it later in a report. But this cop purposely made it the focus of that part of the press release. sorry, but you're buying it. 

I'm not. 

another two minutes with these (supposedly) coward cops would have done nothing. again, shifting the blame. of COURSE he would have gotten in another way. I've never ONCE heard of a school shooting being thwarted by locked doors. ffs

Hugh, we can’t get guns out of circulation tomorrow so if we are going to protect kids in school today and tomorrow, the best thing the general public can do to keep each other safe is be diligent about securing the building you are in.  

That is all I am saying.  I hate automatic guns too.  I hate the NRA too.  A pistol for protection is the only thing I can be okay with because we will never ban guns.  I am placing zero blame on the teacher, and nobody should be using the teacher as a scapegoat, or saying doors are the answer to all of our security problems.  

I get that you are upset, and we all are, but don’t project things on other people that they are not saying.  Not everything needs to be an argument.  I should be able to post here saying that people shouldn’t prop open doors that are meant to keep kids safe, and not have to caveat it like I have to do by saying I don’t like guns, not the teacher’s fault, yada yada yada.  This is a big problem on AMT and I think why moderates like myself don’t post often.

I can appreciate that. I just find this "propped open door" thing to be the "rape victim shouldn't have worn a short skirt" of school shootings. 

josevolution

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

josevolution

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/26/joe-garcia-husband-irma-garcia-texas-school-shooting/9948913002/

So 4 kids are left orphaned what a fucked up country 

Halifax2TheMax

josevolution said:

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

You didn’t hear? POOTWH’s re-election campaign’s slogan is, Build The Door! One, Big, Beautiful Door, folks!

Poncier

Halifax2TheMax said:

josevolution said:

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

You didn’t hear? POOTWH’s re-election campaign’s slogan is, Build The Door! One, Big, Beautiful Door, folks!

A perfect door.

josevolution

Halifax2TheMax said:

josevolution said:

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

You didn’t hear? POOTWH’s re-election campaign’s slogan is, Build The Door! One, Big, Beautiful Door, folks!

I wish that door would open up to a cliff and they could all walk through it! And you know who I mean by them.

Halifax2TheMax

More guns are the answer. Hey Chattanooga, come on down, you’re the next location for the NRA convention!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/29/us/chattanooga-tennessee-shooting/index.html

josevolution

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/how-nra-rewrote-second-amendment

Food for thoughts!

brianlux

josevolution said:

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

The Guardian's Arwa Mahdawi nailed it with her latest op ed title:

After 21 people were killed, the Republican party’s newest enemy is … doors

After the horrific school shooting in Texas, some Republicans are choosing to channel their energy towards door control to deflect from gun reform

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/28/republican-party-texas-school-shooting-doors

The Juggler

Having a single door in and out for hundreds of people strikes me as a tad ridiculous.

We are the dumbest country on earth. 

josevolution

brianlux said:

josevolution said:

So just have one door uhh that def would bring these massacres to a grinding halt 😳

The Guardian's Arwa Mahdawi nailed it with her latest op ed title:

After 21 people were killed, the Republican party’s newest enemy is … doors

After the horrific school shooting in Texas, some Republicans are choosing to channel their energy towards door control to deflect from gun reform

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/28/republican-party-texas-school-shooting-doors

I can hear Cruz saying “ how did we not think of this before” 

mace1229

I see this whole thing of “doors are the new enemy of the right” thing a little ridiculous.
I’ve see one person (Cruz) refer to too many doors in this last shooting. And I’m not seeing it repeated anywhere but here. No rational person, right or left, is blaming teachers and doors. I just don’t see it as the new calling card for the right.
People are upset about the timeline, only Cruz cares about the door.

cutz

https://twitter.com/usmcangryvet/status/1530941180367851521?t=6bydtpfo3fwTTRqG2wTc8A&s=03

https://twitter.com/usmcangryvet/status/1529824217113317379

brianlux

mace1229 said:

I see this whole thing of “doors are the new enemy of the right” thing a little ridiculous.
I’ve see one person (Cruz) refer to too many doors in this last shooting. And I’m not seeing it repeated anywhere but here. No rational person, right or left, is blaming teachers and doors. I just don’t see it as the new calling card for the right.
People are upset about the timeline, only Cruz cares about the door.

I'll agree with the "ridiculous" part of what you said. But Cruz isn't the only Republican trying to deflect the problem to doors:

"Cruz isn’t the only Republican waging a war on doors: the issue has long been a favourite talking point among conservatives trying to deflect from the idea of gun reform. After a 2018 shooting at a high school in Houston, for example, the Texas lieutenant governor, Dan Patrick, blamed the massacre on doors. “From what we know, [the shooter] walked in … with a long coat and a shotgun under his coat,” Patrick said during a news conference. “It’s 90 degrees. Had there been one single entrance possibly for every student, maybe he would have been stopped … There are too many entrances and too many exits to our over 8,000 campuses in Texas.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/may/28/republican-party-texas-school-shooting-doors