California governor recall election

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

fiscal conservatives could go a long way by spending money to try to eradicate the homeless issue. instead they caused tax payers to spend over $250 million on an unnecessary recall election that was officially called 37 minutes after polls closed. the vote gap is getting bigger as the night goes on. 

this recall rejection is going to be a landslide by tomorrow morning.

california needs to fix their recall laws and keep on trying to do the progressive thing because it wins there. 

It's definitely looking that way at 1/3 voting yes to recall, 2/3 voting no.  Good!

This whole election was bullshit in the first place and a terrible waste of money that could have been used for more important things: fighting wildfires, helping the homeless and pandemic victims, and more.  Far right wingers need to get their priorities straight.  All they needed to do was wait 12 months for the regular election.  Glad this is over but what a fucking waste.

curmudgeoness

hedonist said:

Fuck Newsom and his oiliness. 

(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer )

Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment. 

Just the tip of my personal iceberg.

Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.  

It’s not about loving Newsom. I’m indifferent to him. The recall process here is a mess, and the candidates running to replace Newsom were, with the possible exception of Faulconer, wholly unqualified.

Is homelessness a problem? Yes. Did the recall do anything to address homelessness? No. Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Don’t like what you’re seeing? Push for actual qualified candidates, not cranks; we need a healthy multi-party system, and right now we don’t have one.

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

hedonist said:

Fuck Newsom and his oiliness. 

(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer )

Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment. 

Just the tip of my personal iceberg.

Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.  

It’s not about loving Newsom. I’m indifferent to him. The recall process here is a mess, and the candidates running to replace Newsom were, with the possible exception of Faulconer, wholly unqualified.

Is homelessness a problem? Yes. Did the recall do anything to address homelessness? No. Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Don’t like what you’re seeing? Push for actual qualified candidates, not cranks; we need a healthy multi-party system, and right now we don’t have one.

Yeah, I can't say I love the guy either.  I've said here before I have issues with him as governor.  I'm mixed to neutral as well, but not anti-Newsom.

Not a big fan of Faulconer and he's so-so OK, and I did vote for Paffrath, but you may be right that Faulconer is more qualified experience-wise.

What was embarrassing- and you could even say insulting to us as California residents- was the shit-show list of cranks, whackadoos and assorted nutcases (with a few so-so political types) who ended up on the ballet.  If we're going to make a joke of the process, we might as well just vote for whatshername Boobs-a-Lot-Pink-Lady and really make fools of ourselves.

We must look like idiots to the other states.  Thank goodness for Texas... I guess. 

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HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

is this covid related? the homeless encampments have been a massive issue in Winnipeg as well. they have grown exponentially in size and in numbers of. 

HughFreakingDillon

this sounds like a guy who wants to run for prez:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/09/15/gavin-newsom-california-recall-election-night-speech-sot-vpx.cnn

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

this sounds like a guy who wants to run for prez:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/09/15/gavin-newsom-california-recall-election-night-speech-sot-vpx.cnn

I'm pretty sure this whole recall effort was an attempt to damage him for a future presidential run.  This was his Benghazi hearing.

josevolution

Well that didn’t go the way the GOP wanted lol the message was cristal clear most sane folks want to be vaccinated & wear masks! Screw Republicans 

OnWis97

Whatever your thoughts are on Newsom (I have none really) or however you usually vote,* how can you not think this recall process is messed up? I don't know the exact numbers, so correct me if I am wrong but after a majority of voters elect a Governor, a few hundred thousand can sign petitions to recall. Then if said governor fails a referendum with 49% voting not to recall, someone with a plurality (possibly like 10% of the vote) can take his place. That's crazy.

*But of course Republicans love it because 1) they are not often going to win the general gubernatorial election and 2) they have big money to pursue the recall option.

Looking at 2003, it doesn't look quite that awful.  Arnold had 48% of the vote and "no" had 44%. At that moment, this reflected the will of a plurality of those who voted in California (though 8% were invalid or blank ballots). I still think my scenario is plausible. Even if it's not, having a "do over" just because deep-pocketed people are unhappy with an election and having a somewhat confusion election at a somewhat random time doesn't seem to be the American Way.
 

Merkin Baller

OnWis97 said:

Whatever your thoughts are on Newsom (I have none really) or however you usually vote,* how can you not think this recall process is messed up? I don't know the exact numbers, so correct me if I am wrong but after a majority of voters elect a Governor, a few hundred thousand can sign petitions to recall. Then if said governor fails a referendum with 49% voting not to recall, someone with a plurality (possibly like 10% of the vote) can take his place. That's crazy.

*But of course Republicans love it because 1) they are not often going to win the general gubernatorial election and 2) they have big money to pursue the recall option.

Looking at 2003, it doesn't look quite that awful.  Arnold had 48% of the vote and "no" had 44%. At that moment, this reflected the will of a plurality of those who voted in California (though 8% were invalid or blank ballots). I still think my scenario is plausible. Even if it's not, having a "do over" just because deep-pocketed people are unhappy with an election and having a somewhat confusion election at a somewhat random time doesn't seem to be the American Way.
 

Whatever it is, it sure as shit isn't democracy, that's for sure. 

curmudgeoness

HughFreakingDillon said:

this sounds like a guy who wants to run for prez:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/09/15/gavin-newsom-california-recall-election-night-speech-sot-vpx.cnn

I'm sure he has presidential ambitions. Having just read Steve Rodrick's essay on the recall in Rolling Stone this morning ("handsome mannequin," "perfectly fanged"), I see I'm not the only person who gets a plastic vibe from him. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/gavin-newsom-recall-victory-landslide-california-1226548/  I don't see him as being a successful candidate on a national level, no matter how often he invokes Bobby Kennedy.

Someone on SD Reddit called the results a "swift kick in the balls" for Kevin Faulconer, former SD mayor who was eyeing a gubernatorial run himself.

And yes this has served as a wake-up call to Californians -- the recall process needs to be changed. To be fair, this recall got a four-month extension to gather enough signatures, but still, needing signatures from just 12% of the number of people who voted in the last election to spark a recall? $276 million later, it's time to change those rules.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

is this covid related? the homeless encampments have been a massive issue in Winnipeg as well. they have grown exponentially in size and in numbers of. 

We should continue this in the homeless thread too.

I lived in Cali and seattle in the 90's.

Visited back again in the 2000's and 2010's.

Even went to Missoula.

Seattle and Cali are shells of what they used to be.  There was homeless in the 90's but nothing like this.  It's unbelievable.  San Francisco did not have a tent on it in the 80's or 90's.  They are everywhere now.

In Missoula the homeless live by the river and under the bridges.  In Ventura they live by the beach and under the bridges.

curmudgeoness

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

is this covid related? the homeless encampments have been a massive issue in Winnipeg as well. they have grown exponentially in size and in numbers of. 

We should continue this in the homeless thread too.

I lived in Cali and seattle in the 90's.

Visited back again in the 2000's and 2010's.

Even went to Missoula.

Seattle and Cali are shells of what they used to be.  There was homeless in the 90's but nothing like this.  It's unbelievable.  San Francisco did not have a tent on it in the 80's or 90's.  They are everywhere now.

In Missoula the homeless live by the river and under the bridges.  In Ventura they live by the beach and under the bridges.

I was shocked, visiting Seattle, to see tents pitched on pretty much every grassy spot downtown. There's an intersection down by, Macy's, I think, where there's a tiny traffic island in the middle of the road, and someone was camping there. It's much worse than it was years ago.

brianlux

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

frustrating times, for sure, brian. 

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

Our federal liberal government in Canada called an election absolute no one wanted but them...cost us 600 million for what will likely be the same result as the previous election 2 years ago and the liberal PM has already been on record claiming if he is returned with a minority then we will likely have another election in 2 years and another 600 billion wasted...

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

I read that Cali is going to change the process.  it is absurd at how much it cost and to have literally nothing change...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

Our federal liberal government in Canada called an election absolute no one wanted but them...cost us 600 million for what will likely be the same result as the previous election 2 years ago and the liberal PM has already been on record claiming if he is returned with a minority then we will likely have another election in 2 years and another 600 billion wasted...

Sorry to hear that.  I thought Canadians had more sense than us.  I guess it's all "Murica".

tempo_n_groove said:

brianlux said:

Way to blow $300 million, petulant, sulking republicans (and a few others).  As others of you have pointed out, the process is a joke and needs to be changed, the timing was awful (in another 12 months we have another gubernatorial election anyway), and there are more pressing need that money could have gone toward.  State on fire anybody?

In response, some of those on the losing end of the recall are whining about how now they might "have to" leave the state.   Fine, good riddance.  Go waste people's time and money somewhere else.  Better yet, go to Texas or Florida where you won't have to do that because there, you will be accepted with open arms.  (Sorry, TX and FL, but you screwed already.) 
And mother nature is doing some purging of her own.  The counties that voted strongest in favor of recall were rural counties like the shit-head county I live in, and mother nature is burning us out of here as best she can. 
Can you blame her?

I read that Cali is going to change the process.  it is absurd at how much it cost and to have literally nothing change...

I hope so.  But what I wonder is, how did it get this way in the first place.  Obviously being predominant a Democrat blue state does not make us perfect by any means.  I mean, after all, the system is run by that most illogical of species:  homo sapiens. 

Bentleyspop

curmudgeoness said:

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

So, in the past few years I've been to Seattle and Portland (and Boulder), and I live in San Diego. Lived in Seattle many years ago, when there was homelessness and the McDonald's on 4th and Pike(?) already was scary, but what I saw in 2018 was out of control compared to how it used to be. It's a big issue in cities all along the West Coast as far as I can tell -- Portland offers storage facilities for homeless people, so they have a place where they can leave their stuff each day. Downtown San Diego -- I volunteered at the vaccination supersite at Petco Field this spring, and we were advised to travel in groups, during the day, to the parking garage. 

And I was surprised by the number of tents/ encampments along the Boulder Creek trail, too.

I do think it's a matter that needs to be addressed more locally than on a state level, even while the problem transcends state borders.

Having lived in Boulder I can tell you that it is not as bad as it was when weed was legalized. Then the transients were everywhere. But then the city outlawed smoking in public  (of anything) and then other states legalized weed so a lot of the transients moved on.

tempo_n_groove

Bentleyspop said:

curmudgeoness said:

mace1229 said:

One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame? 

We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.

So, in the past few years I've been to Seattle and Portland (and Boulder), and I live in San Diego. Lived in Seattle many years ago, when there was homelessness and the McDonald's on 4th and Pike(?) already was scary, but what I saw in 2018 was out of control compared to how it used to be. It's a big issue in cities all along the West Coast as far as I can tell -- Portland offers storage facilities for homeless people, so they have a place where they can leave their stuff each day. Downtown San Diego -- I volunteered at the vaccination supersite at Petco Field this spring, and we were advised to travel in groups, during the day, to the parking garage. 

And I was surprised by the number of tents/ encampments along the Boulder Creek trail, too.

I do think it's a matter that needs to be addressed more locally than on a state level, even while the problem transcends state borders.

Having lived in Boulder I can tell you that it is not as bad as it was when weed was legalized. Then the transients were everywhere. But then the city outlawed smoking in public  (of anything) and then other states legalized weed so a lot of the transients moved on.

Legalizing weed brought in the transients?  That is a very interesting perspective.  I wonder why?  Easy jobs?