It used to be "get out and vote." Obviously the implication was to get out and vote for the democrat...but at least it was just an implication. Now it's "we feel you should vote this way."
California loves getting rid of their elected officials... This is how Arnold got elected.
Yeah, I lived there when that happened and voted once for him. It wasn't the same process, though, it was a runoff if I recall on recalled Grey Davis between Arnold and some other dude Wasn't the same ballot and a choose your own adventure process.
Didn't they oust him over doubling the registration fees for cars? I was in between travel and Cali at that time.
Davis was tripling the vehicle registration fees, but skyrocketing electrical bills in the early 2000s contributed to the recall effort. I don't agree with recalls in the absence of corruption or serious criminal activity. California needs to change their recall election criteria. Recalls are a waste of taxpayer money and can be easily turned into a perpetual shitshow. Just wait for the next election to vote out someone you do not like.
I still have not returned my California recall ballot. There are no viable options to choose on the second question in case Newsom gets recalled, but I do not want to leave it blank. What to do. Elder would be a complete disaster for California. Ug!
The power bills spiking were because of Enron I thought and not the Governor's fault?
It used to be "get out and vote." Obviously the implication was to get out and vote for the democrat...but at least it was just an implication. Now it's "we feel you should vote this way."
too much risk in ambiguity.
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It used to be "get out and vote." Obviously the implication was to get out and vote for the democrat...but at least it was just an implication. Now it's "we feel you should vote this way."
So what? The Elder Administration isn't going to worry about this.
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California loves getting rid of their elected officials... This is how Arnold got elected.
Yeah, I lived there when that happened and voted once for him. It wasn't the same process, though, it was a runoff if I recall on recalled Grey Davis between Arnold and some other dude Wasn't the same ballot and a choose your own adventure process.
Didn't they oust him over doubling the registration fees for cars? I was in between travel and Cali at that time.
Davis was tripling the vehicle registration fees, but skyrocketing electrical bills in the early 2000s contributed to the recall effort. I don't agree with recalls in the absence of corruption or serious criminal activity. California needs to change their recall election criteria. Recalls are a waste of taxpayer money and can be easily turned into a perpetual shitshow. Just wait for the next election to vote out someone you do not like.
I still have not returned my California recall ballot. There are no viable options to choose on the second question in case Newsom gets recalled, but I do not want to leave it blank. What to do. Elder would be a complete disaster for California. Ug!
The power bills spiking were because of Enron I thought and not the Governor's fault?
Yes, you are right. It was not Governor Gray Davis's fault. Governor Pete Wilson signed the deregulation that the California power companies wanted. Afterwards, when California's electricity demand exceeded supply, Enron took advantage of the deregulation and gouged California. Since the price spikes and rolling blackouts happened during the time Gray Davis was Governor, he got blamed, especially by the media.
Was that Nancy Pelosi's daughter in the pink gorilla mask throwing eggs? Jessie Smellit was asking?
oh my god, you are seriously asking about political rival's children without mentioning trump's kids? HAHAHA
Or…. You can say a black conservative was attacked by a white liberal wearing a gorilla mask. The hypocrisy on both sides, especially their voters, are enough to keep me away from politics…. Forever. Honestly. If this was the other way around everyone would be up in arms.
I understand the way the poster brought this up was immature at best and deserved this answer, but Trumps idiotic children have nothing to do with anything. Luckily.
Was that Nancy Pelosi's daughter in the pink gorilla mask throwing eggs? Jessie Smellit was asking?
oh my god, you are seriously asking about political rival's children without mentioning trump's kids? HAHAHA
Or…. You can say a black conservative was attacked by a white liberal wearing a gorilla mask. The hypocrisy on both sides, especially their voters, are enough to keep me away from politics…. Forever. Honestly. If this was the other way around everyone would be up in arms.
I understand the way the poster brought this up was immature at best and deserved this answer, but Trumps idiotic children have nothing to do with anything. Luckily.
i came to this thread and was surprised to see my post. i don't recall posting it! we were out at a function and i clearly had more to drink than i recall. lol. my post makes no sense.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Was that Nancy Pelosi's daughter in the pink gorilla mask throwing eggs? Jessie Smellit was asking?
oh my god, you are seriously asking about political rival's children without mentioning trump's kids? HAHAHA
Or…. You can say a black conservative was attacked by a white liberal wearing a gorilla mask. The hypocrisy on both sides, especially their voters, are enough to keep me away from politics…. Forever. Honestly. If this was the other way around everyone would be up in arms.
I understand the way the poster brought this up was immature at best and deserved this answer, but Trumps idiotic children have nothing to do with anything. Luckily.
i came to this thread and was surprised to see my post. i don't recall posting it! we were out at a function and i clearly had more to drink than i recall. lol. my post makes no sense.
Hahaha. I love it. All good man hope you had fun.
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Man, Hughes Notworking stuck it to me and I haven't been able to check in here for about a week (I'm on a borrowed device right now), and I come back and people are throwing pink eggs and shit. Gnarly!
I dropped off my ballot today. I figure I will either be glad when this is over, or REALLY getting serious about moving. We shall see.
Ya'll be good 'cause I can only check in occasionally (like anything I say would matter anyway, haha! :-D ). The Spruce Goose Notworking ISP is really sticking it to us.
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One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame?
We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.
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One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame?
We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.
So, in the past few years I've been to Seattle and Portland (and Boulder), and I live in San Diego. Lived in Seattle many years ago, when there was homelessness and the McDonald's on 4th and Pike(?) already was scary, but what I saw in 2018 was out of control compared to how it used to be. It's a big issue in cities all along the West Coast as far as I can tell -- Portland offers storage facilities for homeless people, so they have a place where they can leave their stuff each day. Downtown San Diego -- I volunteered at the vaccination supersite at Petco Field this spring, and we were advised to travel in groups, during the day, to the parking garage.
And I was surprised by the number of tents/ encampments along the Boulder Creek trail, too.
I do think it's a matter that needs to be addressed more locally than on a state level, even while the problem transcends state borders.
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So I assume the next recall process starts tomorrow.
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(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer )
Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment.
Just the tip of my personal iceberg.
Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.
One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame?
We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.
fiscal conservatives could go a long way by spending money to try to eradicate the homeless issue. instead they caused tax payers to spend over $250 million on an unnecessary recall election that was officially called 37 minutes after polls closed. the vote gap is getting bigger as the night goes on.
this recall rejection is going to be a landslide by tomorrow morning.
california needs to fix their recall laws and keep on trying to do the progressive thing because it wins there.
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One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame?
We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.
fiscal conservatives could go a long way by spending money to try to eradicate the homeless issue. instead they caused tax payers to spend over $250 million on an unnecessary recall election that was officially called 37 minutes after polls closed. the vote gap is getting bigger as the night goes on.
this recall rejection is going to be a landslide by tomorrow morning.
california needs to fix their recall laws and keep on trying to do the progressive thing because it wins there.
It's definitely looking that way at 1/3 voting yes to recall, 2/3 voting no. Good!
This whole election was bullshit in the first place and a terrible waste of money that could have been used for more important things: fighting wildfires, helping the homeless and pandemic victims, and more. Far right wingers need to get their priorities straight. All they needed to do was wait 12 months for the regular election. Glad this is over but what a fucking waste.
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(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer )
Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment.
Just the tip of my personal iceberg.
Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.
It’s not about loving Newsom. I’m indifferent to him. The recall process here is a mess, and the candidates running to replace Newsom were, with the possible exception of Faulconer, wholly unqualified.
Is homelessness a problem? Yes. Did the recall do anything to address homelessness? No. Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Don’t like what you’re seeing? Push for actual qualified candidates, not cranks; we need a healthy multi-party system, and right now we don’t have one.
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(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer )
Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment.
Just the tip of my personal iceberg.
Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.
It’s not about loving Newsom. I’m indifferent to him. The recall process here is a mess, and the candidates running to replace Newsom were, with the possible exception of Faulconer, wholly unqualified.
Is homelessness a problem? Yes. Did the recall do anything to address homelessness? No. Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Don’t like what you’re seeing? Push for actual qualified candidates, not cranks; we need a healthy multi-party system, and right now we don’t have one.
Yeah, I can't say I love the guy either. I've said here before I have issues with him as governor. I'm mixed to neutral as well, but not anti-Newsom.
Not a big fan of Faulconer and he's so-so OK, and I did vote for Paffrath, but you may be right that Faulconer is more qualified experience-wise.
What was embarrassing- and you could even say insulting to us as California residents- was the shit-show list of cranks, whackadoos and assorted nutcases (with a few so-so political types) who ended up on the ballet. If we're going to make a joke of the process, we might as well just vote for whatshername Boobs-a-Lot-Pink-Lady and really make fools of ourselves.
We must look like idiots to the other states. Thank goodness for Texas... I guess.
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One of the biggest complaints and reasons for a recall is the homeless and crime issues. I used to live in Venice Beach and now the pictures I see it’s just overgrown with tents. But how much of that is state vs local government to blame?
We’ve got a growing homeless problem here in Colorado, part of it is local city council struck down the ban on “urban camping” so tent encampments are growing, spreading and are a much bigger problem than they were just a year ago. That’s local, not state. I’m not a fan of Newsom, but I also think he’s getting blame for things out of his control too.
is this covid related? the homeless encampments have been a massive issue in Winnipeg as well. they have grown exponentially in size and in numbers of.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Whatever your thoughts are on Newsom (I have none really) or however you usually vote,* how can you not think this recall process is messed up? I don't know the exact numbers, so correct me if I am wrong but after a majority of voters elect a Governor, a few hundred thousand can sign petitions to recall. Then if said governor fails a referendum with 49% voting not to recall, someone with a plurality (possibly like 10% of the vote) can take his place. That's crazy.
*But of course Republicans love it because 1) they are not often going to win the general gubernatorial election and 2) they have big money to pursue the recall option.
Looking at 2003, it doesn't look quite that awful. Arnold had 48% of the vote and "no" had 44%. At that moment, this reflected the will of a plurality of those who voted in California (though 8% were invalid or blank ballots). I still think my scenario is plausible. Even if it's not, having a "do over" just because deep-pocketed people are unhappy with an election and having a somewhat confusion election at a somewhat random time doesn't seem to be the American Way.
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Whatever your thoughts are on Newsom (I have none really) or however you usually vote,* how can you not think this recall process is messed up? I don't know the exact numbers, so correct me if I am wrong but after a majority of voters elect a Governor, a few hundred thousand can sign petitions to recall. Then if said governor fails a referendum with 49% voting not to recall, someone with a plurality (possibly like 10% of the vote) can take his place. That's crazy.
*But of course Republicans love it because 1) they are not often going to win the general gubernatorial election and 2) they have big money to pursue the recall option.
Looking at 2003, it doesn't look quite that awful. Arnold had 48% of the vote and "no" had 44%. At that moment, this reflected the will of a plurality of those who voted in California (though 8% were invalid or blank ballots). I still think my scenario is plausible. Even if it's not, having a "do over" just because deep-pocketed people are unhappy with an election and having a somewhat confusion election at a somewhat random time doesn't seem to be the American Way.
Whatever it is, it sure as shit isn't democracy, that's for sure.
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Yes, you are right. It was not Governor Gray Davis's fault. Governor Pete Wilson signed the deregulation that the California power companies wanted. Afterwards, when California's electricity demand exceeded supply, Enron took advantage of the deregulation and gouged California. Since the price spikes and rolling blackouts happened during the time Gray Davis was Governor, he got blamed, especially by the media.
-EV 8/14/93
-EV 8/14/93
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Same here, on all points.
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(I am still entitled to an opinion, I assume — says the lone naysayer
Crime here has become ridiculous. Some committed by homeless / mentally unwell or those just out to get theirs…from anyone and by any means. Burglaries, robberies, holdups of patrons at outdoor eateries, attempted breakins, successful breakins…it’s sad, and angering that many if not most receive neither assistance nor punishment.
Just the tip of my personal iceberg.
Still, sincere congrats to those who love the guy.
this recall rejection is going to be a landslide by tomorrow morning.
california needs to fix their recall laws and keep on trying to do the progressive thing because it wins there.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Is homelessness a problem? Yes. Did the recall do anything to address homelessness? No. Are you entitled to your opinion? Of course. Don’t like what you’re seeing? Push for actual qualified candidates, not cranks; we need a healthy multi-party system, and right now we don’t have one.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
-EV 8/14/93
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/09/15/gavin-newsom-california-recall-election-night-speech-sot-vpx.cnn
-EV 8/14/93
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*But of course Republicans love it because 1) they are not often going to win the general gubernatorial election and 2) they have big money to pursue the recall option.
Looking at 2003, it doesn't look quite that awful. Arnold had 48% of the vote and "no" had 44%. At that moment, this reflected the will of a plurality of those who voted in California (though 8% were invalid or blank ballots). I still think my scenario is plausible. Even if it's not, having a "do over" just because deep-pocketed people are unhappy with an election and having a somewhat confusion election at a somewhat random time doesn't seem to be the American Way.
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Whatever it is, it sure as shit isn't democracy, that's for sure.