California governor recall election

curmudgeoness

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).

There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.

California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.

That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.

IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?

The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential.

"That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."

Excellent point. 

"IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"

Totally agree.

What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election.  In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems.  People are dying of COVID.  The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods.  The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west.  And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election?  Get effing real!

If I owned a business and felt I was unnecessarily closed while he spent thousands dinning out and telling me I can't, and as a result have struggled financially this year, I'd probably want to recall now and not wait until the next election. Right or left wing. 
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.

The optics on that were poor, no doubt, and I'm not going to try to excuse it.

California is solidly blue, but, as always, turnout is key. People who are angry at Newsom will be motivated to vote. Others? I don't know. But if Newsom is recalled and someone else is elected with a small percentage of the vote, my guess is we will have some big problems well before mid-terms.

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).

There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.

California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.

That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.

IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?

The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential.

"That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."

Excellent point. 

"IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"

Totally agree.

What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election.  In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems.  People are dying of COVID.  The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods.  The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west.  And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election?  Get effing real!

If I owned a business and felt I was unnecessarily closed while he spent thousands dinning out and telling me I can't, and as a result have struggled financially this year, I'd probably want to recall now and not wait until the next election. Right or left wing. 
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.

The optics on that were poor, no doubt, and I'm not going to try to excuse it.

California is solidly blue, but, as always, turnout is key. People who are angry at Newsom will be motivated to vote. Others? I don't know. But if Newsom is recalled and someone else is elected with a small percentage of the vote, my guess is we will have some big problems well before mid-terms.

Yes, I think so.

And the timing.  We're one year away from the gubernatorial election in California.  Instead of focusing on the current extreme problems that require our attention and resources, all of this time, energy and expense is being diverted at something that will probably resolve itself in Nov. of '22 anyway.*    Fools.  What a sham. 

(*I don't see Newsom being re-elected and he can kiss off his presidential hopes as well.)

mace1229

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).

There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.

California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.

That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.

IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?

The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential.

"That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."

Excellent point. 

"IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"

Totally agree.

What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election.  In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems.  People are dying of COVID.  The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods.  The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west.  And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election?  Get effing real!

If I owned a business and felt I was unnecessarily closed while he spent thousands dinning out and telling me I can't, and as a result have struggled financially this year, I'd probably want to recall now and not wait until the next election. Right or left wing. 
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.

I didn’t say he should be recalled because he went to dinner. I’m just saying if I had a business in California that I thought was unnecessarily struggling that would be a pretty big deal to me. If it was just the right wing who wanted him out that wouldn’t be enough votes, especially in California. I don’t live in California anymore so it doesn’t impact me as much and I don’t remember every covid restriction he made, but He’s obviously made a lot more than just the far right upset.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).

There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.

California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.

That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.

IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?

The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential.

"That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."

Excellent point. 

"IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"

Totally agree.

What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election.  In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems.  People are dying of COVID.  The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods.  The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west.  And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election?  Get effing real!

If I owned a business and felt I was unnecessarily closed while he spent thousands dinning out and telling me I can't, and as a result have struggled financially this year, I'd probably want to recall now and not wait until the next election. Right or left wing. 
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.

I didn’t say he should be recalled because he went to dinner. I’m just saying if I had a business in California that I thought was unnecessarily struggling that would be a pretty big deal to me. If it was just the right wing who wanted him out that wouldn’t be enough votes, especially in California. I don’t live in California anymore so it doesn’t impact me as much and I don’t remember every covid restriction he made, but He’s obviously made a lot more than just the far right upset.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yeah, he's made some blunders, for sure.  But the thing is, this is a Republican recall (it has even been officially designated as such).  If Dems come out in big numbers, the recall will lose.  The problem with California Dems is the take things for granted.  They fall asleep under a spell of assuming this is a liberal state so "don't worry, it will all work out".  If they sleep through this, we are all screwed.

WAKE UP, DEMS!

curmudgeoness

So, some kind, civic-minded (and bored?) soul on Reddit decided to look into every one of the 46 people who saw fit to place themselves on the ballot. This is California, so every election there is a gaggle of lunatics on the ballot, but the dearth of qualified, non-insane humans this time around really is depressing. For the benefit of @brianlux and anyone else who is thinking about tearing out their hair, here's a link to the Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/p679i5/platform_notes_on_all_candidates_running_in_the/ 

Read it and vote!

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

So, some kind, civic-minded (and bored?) soul on Reddit decided to look into every one of the 46 people who saw fit to place themselves on the ballot. This is California, so every election there is a gaggle of lunatics on the ballot, but the dearth of qualified, non-insane humans this time around really is depressing. For the benefit of @brianlux and anyone else who is thinking about tearing out their hair, here's a link to the Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/p679i5/platform_notes_on_all_candidates_running_in_the/ 

Read it and vote!

These would be funny if it weren't for the fact that one of these members of The California Recall Election Shit Show might actually become the next governor of a state that has the 5th largest economy in the world... and ranks up there with the highest number of wackos per capita along with places like Florida, Tennessee, and Alabama.  The only difference is the kind of drugs that made these people go out of their minds.

Anybody got a good, halfway sane state I might move to?

Meltdown99

I think Vote for newsome…he did not want a pandemic election.

in Canada people need to vote the PM out who called an unnecessary pandemic election…

curmudgeoness

Meltdown99 said:

I think Vote for newsome…he did not want a pandemic election.

in Canada people need to vote the PM out who called an unnecessary pandemic election…

We can't write him in, though. If he's recalled, he's just gone.

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

Meltdown99 said:

I think Vote for newsome…he did not want a pandemic election.

in Canada people need to vote the PM out who called an unnecessary pandemic election…

We can't write him in, though. If he's recalled, he's just gone.

I have read that we can write in anyone, even Newsom. 

My wife wants to write in Arnold.  I told her that he's probably content with his bicycle ride and cigars and wouldn't want the job again even if he could have it.

Sure will be glad when this ridiculous fiasco is over (and hopefully let Newsom finish out his term.)

OnWis97

I think California has found its next Governor 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/SocialistRA/comments/p50qrm/breaking_a_republican_candidate_for_california/

Meltdown99

Then don’t recall Newsome..vote against the recall.

Either way, quit rewarding these self important asshole who think their politics is more important than getting through this pandemic.

Nova Scotia’s liberal premier called a pandemic election..he had 28 point lead at the start of the campaign and was soundly defeated last night by the Conservatives…good for Nova Scotia.

JeBurkhardt

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

So, some kind, civic-minded (and bored?) soul on Reddit decided to look into every one of the 46 people who saw fit to place themselves on the ballot. This is California, so every election there is a gaggle of lunatics on the ballot, but the dearth of qualified, non-insane humans this time around really is depressing. For the benefit of @brianlux and anyone else who is thinking about tearing out their hair, here's a link to the Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/p679i5/platform_notes_on_all_candidates_running_in_the/ 

Read it and vote!

These would be funny if it weren't for the fact that one of these members of The California Recall Election Shit Show might actually become the next governor of a state that has the 5th largest economy in the world... and ranks up there with the highest number of wackos per capita along with places like Florida, Tennessee, and Alabama.  The only difference is the kind of drugs that made these people go out of their minds.

Anybody got a good, halfway sane state I might move to?

If you consider Illinois, pick the Northern part. I live in the Southern part, and you might as well be in Tennessee or Alabama.

brianlux

JeBurkhardt said:

brianlux said:

curmudgeoness said:

So, some kind, civic-minded (and bored?) soul on Reddit decided to look into every one of the 46 people who saw fit to place themselves on the ballot. This is California, so every election there is a gaggle of lunatics on the ballot, but the dearth of qualified, non-insane humans this time around really is depressing. For the benefit of @brianlux and anyone else who is thinking about tearing out their hair, here's a link to the Reddit post. https://www.reddit.com/r/sandiego/comments/p679i5/platform_notes_on_all_candidates_running_in_the/ 

Read it and vote!

These would be funny if it weren't for the fact that one of these members of The California Recall Election Shit Show might actually become the next governor of a state that has the 5th largest economy in the world... and ranks up there with the highest number of wackos per capita along with places like Florida, Tennessee, and Alabama.  The only difference is the kind of drugs that made these people go out of their minds.

Anybody got a good, halfway sane state I might move to?

If you consider Illinois, pick the Northern part. I live in the Southern part, and you might as well be in Tennessee or Alabama.

Bummer.  Sorry to hear that!

curmudgeoness

Reading through the candidates' backgrounds, my husband shook his head and said, there's only one who's remotely qualified and not probably certifiable. That would be our former mayor, of whom we are not big fans.

I get that Newsom rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but I'm having a hard time believing that he is so terrible that we need to put a random wingnut in the governor's office for a year. We would be better off leaving the seat empty. 

F Me In The Brain

I received an email today from a GOP group (I was registered R when I lived in CA) and they were pushing sending a mail in vote to recall.....not a single word about picking a replacement.  Guess if the goal is just to get rid of the dumb dumb in place right now that is good messaging.
(Would seem to make sense to pick who you want to replace before bouncing The Devil You Know....)

Good luck!

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

Reading through the candidates' backgrounds, my husband shook his head and said, there's only one who's remotely qualified and not probably certifiable. That would be our former mayor, of whom we are not big fans.

I get that Newsom rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but I'm having a hard time believing that he is so terrible that we need to put a random wingnut in the governor's office for a year. We would be better off leaving the seat empty. 

I think a large number of people have some issues with Newsom- I know I'm not 100% fan- but he's done a decent enough job and this is just not the time for this nonsense.  There are so many pressing issues going on right now and this is just a distraction and a waste of money.   It's pathetic.

OnWis97

Really, this is just the craziest process I've ever heard of. Essentially, enough signatures can lead to a recall election where, if the Governor is recalled, an unlimited number of candidates can grab votes and someone with almost no support can be governor. I assume he'll be recalled (I think recalls tend to be successful against anyone but Scott Walker, who got a ton of out-of-state GOP money).  If I'm not mistaken, the last time this happened, Arnold was elected.  But I think he may have had large-scale support. Lots has changed since then and now it's just a bunch of goofballs almost throwing their names into a hat. This promises to end well.

Is this always going to be the pattern? Democratic majority elects a Democrat governor. The next day the GQP starts raising money to get the recall campaign going. The recall is successful and Deanna Lorraine or someone becomes governor for the duration of the term?

MCaliGA

curmudgeoness

We're just looking at the whole mess, saying "You have GOT to be freaking kidding!"

For a long time it was assumed that the recall was a joke and Newsom was safe. Now I'm hearing differently. If you look at the candidate info in the link I posted above, most are just bonkers. There's a "Democrat" with policies that sound like the GOP platform. There's Angelyne. There's a guy who wants to solve the state's water problems by building a pipeline to divert water from the Mississippi River (that's not a typo).

The guy with the platform that sounds most appealing is a recovering drug addict; he used to be a doctor, but I'm guessing (just guessing) that he lost his license due to his substance abuse problems. I'll give him credit for not running away from that part of his story, but sheesh.

I think the California ballot always attracts a bunch of loons, but normally there are 2-3 legitimate candidates as well, so you can giggle at the guy whose profile in the voter info pamphlet just says "search YouTube" and then vote for a serious person. This time the only serious candidate is Kevin Faulconer, former (R) mayor of San Diego. I'm torn between voting for a Republican (I'm centrist, the current incarnation of the GOP is anti-democratic, so, no) or voting for a rando and hoping things don't go to shit in the next year. :-(

Oh, and Cox was served with papers at his event yesterday; something about not paying his bills.

brianlux

curmudgeoness said:

We're just looking at the whole mess, saying "You have GOT to be freaking kidding!"

For a long time it was assumed that the recall was a joke and Newsom was safe. Now I'm hearing differently. If you look at the candidate info in the link I posted above, most are just bonkers. There's a "Democrat" with policies that sound like the GOP platform. There's Angelyne. There's a guy who wants to solve the state's water problems by building a pipeline to divert water from the Mississippi River (that's not a typo).

The guy with the platform that sounds most appealing is a recovering drug addict; he used to be a doctor, but I'm guessing (just guessing) that he lost his license due to his substance abuse problems. I'll give him credit for not running away from that part of his story, but sheesh.

I think the California ballot always attracts a bunch of loons, but normally there are 2-3 legitimate candidates as well, so you can giggle at the guy whose profile in the voter info pamphlet just says "search YouTube" and then vote for a serious person. This time the only serious candidate is Kevin Faulconer, former (R) mayor of San Diego. I'm torn between voting for a Republican (I'm centrist, the current incarnation of the GOP is anti-democratic, so, no) or voting for a rando and hoping things don't go to shit in the next year. :-(

Oh, and Cox was served with papers at his event yesterday; something about not paying his bills.

Oh for sure, this thing is a joke, a mess, a travesty!

"The guy with the platform that sounds most appealing is a recovering drug addict; he used to be a doctor, but I'm guessing (just guessing) that he lost his license due to his substance abuse problems. I'll give him credit for not running away from that part of his story, but sheesh."

That's the one guy, Ross, I thought maybe I could feel OK about voting for in case Newsom loses.  But I have a problem with this guy and it's not that he was a drug addict.  Who am I to judge?  I was addicted to Xanax for a number of years as a result of a medical condition.  But the way this guy worded his write-up indicates to me that he is not very bright.  He says, "I lost everything after I got hooked on drugs..."  and then a couple sentences later tell us that this was due to a medical condition.    A much better way to have worded all that would have been right from the get-go to say, "Years ago, because of a back injury, I became addicted to pain relievers.  I went through some tough times, but I pulled myself out of that situation and have been a very successful surgeon since then."  The way he words this, right off he sounds like a druggy and a drama king.  He should have mentioned why he was taking medication (not "drugs", duh) right at the outset.  We are going to be more sympathetic to that than just saying "I was a drug addict."  And don't say "narcotics", dude, everyone one knows what pain relievers are- don't make it look worse. 

Small point, you might say, but I say, no, big point.  If you can't compose a well written single paragraph to support why we should vote for you, you should stay out of politics and stick to your cosmetic surgery.

And he's one of the "brighter" candidates.  It goes WAY down hill from there.

We are so screwed- for at least the next year, anyway-  if Newsom is ousted.

curmudgeoness

Please share with any Californians you know:

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