California governor recall election

brianlux
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This may be of interest to those of you outside of California as well.
I'm not a huge Newsom fan- pretty much split in my opinion of him. But the alternative, should he lose next months recall election, could see a far right republican put into office. In liberal California, you say? Yes, it's very possible.
"Democratic California governor Gavin Newsom, who could be ousted from his post in a recall election scheduled for September 14, blasted talk-radio host and Republican front-runner Larry Elder as a fringe candidate more right-wing than former President Donald Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/13/politics/gavin-newsom-recall-dianne-feinstein/index.html
It’s the Democrats’ doomsday scenario: California Gov. Gavin Newsom loses his recall race this fall, and a Senate vacancy is later filled by a GOP governor.
And the 50-50 Senate, currently controlled by Democrats, is run again by Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell.
It’s a scenario that Democrats publicly say they’re confident will
never happen – but privately, many acknowledge that it’s entirely
possible.
Beyond the obvious effect this could have on this state, I think it's also worth noting how close this country is to becoming predominantly controlled by the radically right wing.
If this can happen in California... need I say more?
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I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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I’m hearing it all over the place: those Republicans, those TRUMP Republicans! Complete with hand-wringing. Can’t have them in that position!!
I say if you suck at your job and care more about your image than the state you run, get the fuck OUT.
Oh, and I heard someone call his main opponent, Larry Elder, “Uncle Tom”. They know nothing of the man — he’s not even *gasp* Republican…or radical
So yeah, I’d love to see that smarmy ineffectual ass gone. Too bad so many have bought into the rhetoric.
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curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!
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I'm agnostic on Newsom, but the wastefulness of this election is pissing me off, too.
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curmudgeoness said:I'm agnostic on Newsom, but the wastefulness of this election is pissing me off, too.Exactly. It's a reflection of several modes of thinking that are common today- lack of logic, misappropriation of funds and resources, misplaced priorities, actions ruled by anger instead of reason, a greater willingness to be combative rather than diplomatic.All signs of crumbling social order."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!Newsom hasn’t wasted money at all.Got it.0
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is there any billionaire real estate developer running, hotelier. maybe.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Meltdown99 said:is there any billionaire real estate developer running, hotelier. maybe.It's amazing how many people are running for governor in this recall election. And some really serious contenders too. Here's a sampling (and yes, these people are all in the Official Voter Information Guide):Dan Kapelovitz. His full official statement: "Can you dig it?"Adam Papagan: No party. Full official statement: "Love U"Angelyne. That's all. No last name. Official statement: "Angelyne Billboard Queen. Icon. Experienced politician."
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hedonist said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!Newsom hasn’t wasted money at all.Got it.Sigh... OK, look, sorry. I know you hate Newsom. I know you are feisty and tough (that's cool), and you probably want to go a few rounds, but that's just not what I'm up for here.Around here, we're in the mist of a shit show of anxiety about the bad air and a minimum or two more months more of high fire danger where we are and, no, that's not your problem and I'm not going to make it your problem, dig. But here's the thing, to my way of thinking, this recall election is a crock of shit that's tying up a lot of time, money, and resources that are badly needed for more important things.Some people hate the fucker? Fine. Vote for someone else next time. But right now we need to address these more serious and immediate problems that are going on.That's my take. You have yours. Cool? Cool."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:hedonist said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!Newsom hasn’t wasted money at all.Got it.Sigh... OK, look, sorry. I know you hate Newsom. I know you are feisty and tough (that's cool), and you probably want to go a few rounds, but that's just not what I'm up for here.Around here, we're in the mist of a shit show of anxiety about the bad air and a minimum or two more months more of high fire danger where we are and, no, that's not your problem and I'm not going to make it your problem, dig. But here's the thing, to my way of thinking, this recall election is a crock of shit that's tying up a lot of time, money, and resources that are badly needed for more important things.Some people hate the fucker? Fine. Vote for someone else next time. But right now we need to address these more serious and immediate problems that are going on.That's my take. You have yours. Cool? Cool.
Contrary to your misguided beliefs, I am not looking to go any “rounds” over this. It doesn’t bother me (or matter) if I’m in the minority on this issue. I simply expected a polite reply to the points I made regarding the hysteria over the recall and those evil angry right-wing Trump Republicans you and others keep mentioning.
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hedonist said:brianlux said:hedonist said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!Newsom hasn’t wasted money at all.Got it.Sigh... OK, look, sorry. I know you hate Newsom. I know you are feisty and tough (that's cool), and you probably want to go a few rounds, but that's just not what I'm up for here.Around here, we're in the mist of a shit show of anxiety about the bad air and a minimum or two more months more of high fire danger where we are and, no, that's not your problem and I'm not going to make it your problem, dig. But here's the thing, to my way of thinking, this recall election is a crock of shit that's tying up a lot of time, money, and resources that are badly needed for more important things.Some people hate the fucker? Fine. Vote for someone else next time. But right now we need to address these more serious and immediate problems that are going on.That's my take. You have yours. Cool? Cool.
Contrary to your misguided beliefs, I am not looking to go any “rounds” over this. It doesn’t bother me (or matter) if I’m in the minority on this issue. I simply expected a polite reply to the points I made regarding the hysteria over the recall and those evil angry right-wing Trump Republicans you and others keep mentioning.
Good job. You’ve done your part very well."Contrary to your misguided beliefs..."See what I mean? Sorry, I'm gonna have to ignore all your comments on this thread.Bye!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:is there any billionaire real estate developer running, hotelier. maybe.It's amazing how many people are running for governor in this recall election. And some really serious contenders too. Here's a sampling (and yes, these people are all in the Official Voter Information Guide):Dan Kapelovitz. His full official statement: "Can you dig it?"Adam Papagan: No party. Full official statement: "Love U"Angelyne. That's all. No last name. Official statement: "Angelyne Billboard Queen. Icon. Experienced politician."
Think I may have voted for her in a recall election when I was in CA. My opinion doesn't matter any longer since I moved away, but CA politics have been a mess for as long as I can remember.
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F Me In The Brain said:brianlux said:Meltdown99 said:is there any billionaire real estate developer running, hotelier. maybe.It's amazing how many people are running for governor in this recall election. And some really serious contenders too. Here's a sampling (and yes, these people are all in the Official Voter Information Guide):Dan Kapelovitz. His full official statement: "Can you dig it?"Adam Papagan: No party. Full official statement: "Love U"Angelyne. That's all. No last name. Official statement: "Angelyne Billboard Queen. Icon. Experienced politician."
Think I may have voted for her in a recall election when I was in CA. My opinion doesn't matter any longer since I moved away, but CA politics have been a mess for as long as I can remember.Ahhhh huh. You've been eying her billboards, haven't you?
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Yeah they made no sense back then, I'm sure they don't now, but her and her silly pink Corvette are LA icons, of sorts.
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Will someone please explain the logic behind this (if you can).Here is how this recall election is going to go as explained in the voter guide:The recall election happens September 14, 2021The ballot will have two question.Question 1: Yes or no, should Governor Newsom be recalled?Question 2: Pick one of the candidates you prefer in the event that the recall is successful (there are 46 candidates on the ballot, write ins are also allowed)You may answer either or both questions.If the "no" votes are in the majority, the governor will not be recalled and the count for question #2 is moot and void.If the "yes" votes are in the majority, Governor Newsom is recalled and the candidate in question #2 with the most votes becomes the new governor.OK, got that?Now, here's what baffles me beyond belief: A statement (see link below) from the California Democratic Party was tweeted as follows:"How to Vote in the Recall Election: Vote No on the first question. Leave the second question BLANK."OK, obviously the Dem party wants the recall to fail. But republicans are coming out in force to try to pass the recall and oust Newsom. If the "yes" votes win and enough democrats fail to answer question #2, as advised, the outcome will be Newsom out, and a new governor will be in- likely a far right republican- and could do so with as low as 5% to 20% of the total vote.What kind of insanity is this? WTF is the California Democratic Party thinking? Where is the logic in leaving question #2 BLANK???
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<<What kind of insanity is this? WTF is the California Democratic Party thinking? Where is the logic in leaving question #2 BLANK???>>That's a good question. Apparently they discouraged any legitimate Dem candidates from running because they didn't want it to look like they did not support Newsom. So here we are with a veritable clown car of candidates, instead.All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.0
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curmudgeoness said:<<What kind of insanity is this? WTF is the California Democratic Party thinking? Where is the logic in leaving question #2 BLANK???>>That's a good question. Apparently they discouraged any legitimate Dem candidates from running because they didn't want it to look like they did not support Newsom. So here we are with a veritable clown car of candidates, instead.Yep, and the republican base is working hard to see this recall go through and if it does, we will end up with a far right governor elected by a small minority of voters. The risk the Ca. Dem Party is taking on this is HUGE and unnecessary. AND if Newsom is recalled and a far right governor takes his place, the Dems could lose Feinstein's Dem Senate seat in 2022. And then beyond to 2024? What then?Wake up Dems, Too many on the left are asleep and too many on the far right are pushing their crazed religion and anti democracy/ anti environment down our throats."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.
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mace1229 said:brianlux said:curmudgeoness said:I've seen Elder advertising on TV (on MSNBC!).There are FORTY-SIX names on the ballot, plus a write-in option (should I run??). ONE person, and only one, is even marginally qualified for the job, and that's former San Diego mayor Faulconer; I'm not endorsing him, I'm saying he's the only person on the ballot who has any business at all running.California is the world's seventh-largest economy. Anyone who decided to put their name on the ballot for shits and giggles or because they ACTUALLY think they could run this state has disqualified themselves for the role.That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor.IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?The recall election is stupid and wasteful, but at this point, voting, on BOTH questions, is essential."That said: Hey, Californians, listen up! Even if you are a die-hard Newsom superfan, you MUST vote, and you MUST vote on both questions! If you don't vote, or if you just vote "no" on the first (recall) question, any random person with any assortment of non-qualifications could be the next governor."Excellent point."IF Newsom is recalled, the next governor is the person, out of that list of 46, who gets the MOST votes -- not a majority, just the MOST. So in theory, some jackass with a podcast who gets 5% of the vote would be our next governor. Can we please not do that?!?"Totally agree.What pisses me off is that if people don't like Newsom, fine, vote him out next election. In the meantime, this recall election is costing millions of dollars, dollars that could be much better use to solve other more pressing problems. People are dying of COVID. The state is on fire and we are losing parks and public lands and people are losing their homes and livelihoods. The climate is changing and wrecking havoc in the west. And these angry right wing people want to spend all that money on a damn recall election? Get effing real!
If its only right wing angry people who want him out, it wont be enough to recall. We'll find out in a month if that's the case or not.One stupid move? Name any politician who hasn't. And if you have a problem with that expense (yes, it was wasteful), think about how much this recall is costing. MILLIONS! When we need the money to fight fires, fight COVID, save lives! So much for that argument.Logic!I get some of the dissatisfaction, but the alternative? Fuggedaboutit!No better choices at this time!If I owned a business and the building it was housed and that building was on fire and my employees were having health issues from COVID and smoke inhalation, I would put out the fire, ramp up the medical help and then look into getting a new manager.More logic! Priorities!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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