Black Lives Matter

Ledbetterman10

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

tempo_n_groove

JW269453 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JW269453 said:

With all of the pissing going on this somehow was overlooked. Pretty big step
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/15/asheville-passes-reparations-black-residents-historic/5441792002/

How you can have money from over a hundred years ago for an event and appropriately dole it out?

I don't see how this is going to work.

Can't believe nobody has touched this yet?

I thought it said they weren't dolling it out...just investing in certain things/areas....I'll have to read again.  Asheville is awesome.

Yes, exactly.  They want to make it so there is generational wealth passed on.

How and who gets that?

The resolution calls on the city to create the Community Reparations Commission, inviting community groups and other local governments to join. It will be the commission's job to make concrete recommendations for programs and resources to be used. Who knows where this goes, but it seems they have made a commitment.

I'm very curious to where the How and Whom this will end up going to.  It's nice that there is a commission but,  I can picture a lot of people to be angry when they aren't included.

If it goes well for them then great!  My worry is of no matter.

Bentleyspop

Ledbetterman10 said:

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

There is a lot, and I mean A LOT, of anti-semitism out there and has been for centuries.
Most of it is based on myths and conspiracy theories.

My great-uncle who was a partisan in Poland during the war and escaped from a death camp told me when I was a kid that there are 5 words that explain where anti-semitism comes from. You will often see me use them here in reference to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and anti-semitism.

He told me that anti-semitism is most often learned at home and is rooted in... 

Fear
Hate
Ignorance 
Jealousy 
Lies

oftenreading

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

Ledbetterman10

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

There is a lot, and I mean A LOT, of anti-semitism out there and has been for centuries.
Most of it is based on myths and conspiracy theories.

My great-uncle who was a partisan in Poland during the war and escaped from a death camp told me when I was a kid that there are 5 words that explain where anti-semitism comes from. You will often see me use them here in reference to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and anti-semitism.

He told me that anti-semitism is most often learned at home and is rooted in... 

Fear
Hate
Ignorance 
Jealousy 
Lies

It's mind-blowing how far back anti-Semitism goes, and how it's still prevalent today. That's why it's sad to see people that have prominant voices in this BLM movement being so friendly with Louis Farrakhan. Shannon Sharpe and Stephen Jackson are among them. And here's a picture from yesterday that Allen Iverson posted of him with Farrakhan. Iverson captioned it with "I didn't choose to be black, I got lucky." That's all well and good for him to be proud of his heritage. But posting that with a picture of Farrakhan can lead his fans that are unfamiilar with Farrakhahn to assume that he's nothing more than "pro-black," when, as well all know, he's anti-Jew to the core. And then those fans might begin researching Farrakhahn and possibily becoming indoctrinated with his views on Jews. . 

https://instagram.com/p/CCpSKHUDMOt/embed/

And here's Shannon Sharpe (not making eye contact) as he tries to explain that Farrakhan isn't anti-Semite.
"Not from the conversations I've had with the minister." Okay....what about his PUBLIC comments on Jews over the years?

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1280944383551066114?s=20

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

Interesting.  

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

There is a lot, and I mean A LOT, of anti-semitism out there and has been for centuries.
Most of it is based on myths and conspiracy theories.

My great-uncle who was a partisan in Poland during the war and escaped from a death camp told me when I was a kid that there are 5 words that explain where anti-semitism comes from. You will often see me use them here in reference to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and anti-semitism.

He told me that anti-semitism is most often learned at home and is rooted in... 

Fear
Hate
Ignorance 
Jealousy 
Lies

It's mind-blowing how far back anti-Semitism goes, and how it's still prevalent today. That's why it's sad to see people that have prominant voices in this BLM movement being so friendly with Louis Farrakhan. Shannon Sharpe and Stephen Jackson are among them. And here's a picture from yesterday that Allen Iverson posted of him with Farrakhan. Iverson captioned it with "I didn't choose to be black, I got lucky." That's all well and good for him to be proud of his heritage. But posting that with a picture of Farrakhan can lead his fans that are unfamiilar with Farrakhahn to assume that he's nothing more than "pro-black," when, as well all know, he's anti-Jew to the core. And then those fans might begin researching Farrakhahn and possibily becoming indoctrinated with his views on Jews. . 

https://instagram.com/p/CCpSKHUDMOt/embed/

And here's Shannon Sharpe (not making eye contact) as he tries to explain that Farrakhan isn't anti-Semite.
"Not from the conversations I've had with the minister." Okay....what about his PUBLIC comments on Jews over the years?

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1280944383551066114?s=20

Not knowing, has Farrakahn changed his tune?  Does he still speak ill towards the Jews or has he come to his senses?

People can change.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

There is a lot, and I mean A LOT, of anti-semitism out there and has been for centuries.
Most of it is based on myths and conspiracy theories.

My great-uncle who was a partisan in Poland during the war and escaped from a death camp told me when I was a kid that there are 5 words that explain where anti-semitism comes from. You will often see me use them here in reference to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and anti-semitism.

He told me that anti-semitism is most often learned at home and is rooted in... 

Fear
Hate
Ignorance 
Jealousy 
Lies

It's mind-blowing how far back anti-Semitism goes, and how it's still prevalent today. That's why it's sad to see people that have prominant voices in this BLM movement being so friendly with Louis Farrakhan. Shannon Sharpe and Stephen Jackson are among them. And here's a picture from yesterday that Allen Iverson posted of him with Farrakhan. Iverson captioned it with "I didn't choose to be black, I got lucky." That's all well and good for him to be proud of his heritage. But posting that with a picture of Farrakhan can lead his fans that are unfamiilar with Farrakhahn to assume that he's nothing more than "pro-black," when, as well all know, he's anti-Jew to the core. And then those fans might begin researching Farrakhahn and possibily becoming indoctrinated with his views on Jews. . 

https://instagram.com/p/CCpSKHUDMOt/embed/

And here's Shannon Sharpe (not making eye contact) as he tries to explain that Farrakhan isn't anti-Semite.
"Not from the conversations I've had with the minister." Okay....what about his PUBLIC comments on Jews over the years?

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1280944383551066114?s=20

Not knowing, has Farrakahn changed his tune?  Does he still speak ill towards the Jews or has he come to his senses?

People can change.

He compared Jews to termites as recently as 2018. I think he's "come to his senses" to a point where he's not making outrageous public comments like he did in the 80's ("Hitler was a great man"). But I sure as hell don't think he's changed his views on Jews. He's just more careful these days. 

brianlux

I don't know if this fits here but I'm not sure where else to put it so...

I just finished reading Nat Hentoff very cool book, Listen to the Stories.

Besides being an excellent book all around, one of the things I really like here is that you have an east coast Jew writing about his favorite music- jazz (particular jazz made by black musicians though not exclusively) and classic country western. 

In one of the stories, Merle Haggard (a jazz fan himself) tells Hentoff about the time as a teenager, Bob Wills, a white musician from Texas, rode a horse almost 50 miles to go see a black blues singer, Bessie Smith, perform her amazing music. 

Hentoff also talks about how in pre- Civil Rights era times, white American jazz music impresario Norman Granz was absolutely insisted on shows he organized not be segregated.  If a white person got a ticket with a seat that happened to be next to a black person and the white person didn't like that, Granz would refund the ticket and tell the white person to leave.

Another story involves the great black bebop artist Charlie Parker who would go into a bar with a jukebox, drop in his coin and punch up a country western record.  Some of Parker's peers would question why he would want to listen to country.  His response was, "The stories, man, the stories."

If people would just do what these great folks did, respect each others talents and insist on equality, we wouldn't be in the awful mess we're still in today. 

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Bentleyspop said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Parksy said:

@Ledbetterman10
This is the first I've heard of the plan to have a different anthem and I agree 100%, that only enhances the divisiveness of the nation.  FWIW, I agree with kneeling in protest, but to have a separate anthem is basically promoting separatism... which leads down a rather ugly road. 

I agree too about the syrup thing. I heard some folks on TV say that throughout the years being called Gemima was a slur so I totally understand re branding but it is in deed a drop in the ocean.  The takeaway being... at least it's something rather than nothing. 

Yeah I agree. And there's been other things like this. For example, Malcom Jenkins, a football player that was critical of Drew Brees for not liking the kneeling (which is fine), said in response to Desean Jackson's anti-Semitic posts that....

"We can honor the Jewish heritage and trauma while staying focused on what matters,” Jenkins wrote in the caption of his video responding to Jackson. “Jewish people aren’t our problem, and we aren’t their problem. Let’s not lose focus on what the problem truly is, and that’s that black lives still don’t matter in this country."

Not exactly the sort of rehtoric that gets us closer to "One Nation, Under God, Indivisible." That couldn't be more divisible. The same way he wants white people like Drew Brees to care about his plight, he should care about other people's plight. 

I won't even get started on Nick Cannon's comments from yesterday. But it was radically divisive as one can be. With that sort of stuff, coupled with Trump's divisiveness, we're more likely to go backward in our quest for racial harmony than forward. 

There is a lot, and I mean A LOT, of anti-semitism out there and has been for centuries.
Most of it is based on myths and conspiracy theories.

My great-uncle who was a partisan in Poland during the war and escaped from a death camp told me when I was a kid that there are 5 words that explain where anti-semitism comes from. You will often see me use them here in reference to racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and anti-semitism.

He told me that anti-semitism is most often learned at home and is rooted in... 

Fear
Hate
Ignorance 
Jealousy 
Lies

It's mind-blowing how far back anti-Semitism goes, and how it's still prevalent today. That's why it's sad to see people that have prominant voices in this BLM movement being so friendly with Louis Farrakhan. Shannon Sharpe and Stephen Jackson are among them. And here's a picture from yesterday that Allen Iverson posted of him with Farrakhan. Iverson captioned it with "I didn't choose to be black, I got lucky." That's all well and good for him to be proud of his heritage. But posting that with a picture of Farrakhan can lead his fans that are unfamiilar with Farrakhahn to assume that he's nothing more than "pro-black," when, as well all know, he's anti-Jew to the core. And then those fans might begin researching Farrakhahn and possibily becoming indoctrinated with his views on Jews. . 

https://instagram.com/p/CCpSKHUDMOt/embed/

And here's Shannon Sharpe (not making eye contact) as he tries to explain that Farrakhan isn't anti-Semite.
"Not from the conversations I've had with the minister." Okay....what about his PUBLIC comments on Jews over the years?

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1280944383551066114?s=20

Not knowing, has Farrakahn changed his tune?  Does he still speak ill towards the Jews or has he come to his senses?

People can change.

He compared Jews to termites as recently as 2018. I think he's "come to his senses" to a point where he's not making outrageous public comments like he did in the 80's ("Hitler was a great man"). But I sure as hell don't think he's changed his views on Jews. He's just more careful these days. 

Jews as termites?  What's that metaphor about?

OK I was curious.  I know he said he could see the difference between good jews and satanic jews, which I didn't think was bad.  If your'e evil, you're evil, but coming from him I know it's not good.

oftenreading

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

Interesting.  

If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 

Ledbetterman10

I think it was off-the-cusp and meant to be “funny.” He said he wasn’t anti-Semite, he’s anti-termite. I guess it’s funny cause it rhymes? I don’t know. 

I’m also of the belief that he was in on the assassination of Malcolm X (as X’s family believed). I dunno, I just think he’s a scumbag and the last guy people should be referencing during a racial equality movement. 

hedonist

He’s a hateful piece of shit, no better than the likes of Dukes. 

FiveBelow

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

Interesting.  

If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 

It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.

brianlux

You guys are getting caught up i semantics. 

The word "delusional" can be used clinically as in:

characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder

or in a more non-clinical sense

based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken

PJPOWER

brianlux said:

You guys are getting caught up i semantics. 

The word "delusional" can be used clinically as in:

characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder

or in a more non-clinical sense

based on or having faulty judgment; mistaken

Case closed!

Halifax2TheMax

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

Interesting.  

If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 

It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.

Except I'm still waiting for you to point out where I stated that I believe only one race is responsible for gun violence. Which is where your "delusional" label emanated from, right?

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

tempo_n_groove said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

JW269453 said:

oftenreading said:

"Delusional" - now the standard AMT insult used by people who have no idea what it means. It's certainly been trending over the past month or two. 

Please enlighten me, or were you referring to yourself? I have updated the example for you to better understand.

Delusional - having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions.

People who think “responsible” gun owners are made up of one race are delusional.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional

No, I'm aware of the term delusional. I'm a mental health professional who regularly works with individuals with delusions and other symptoms of severe and persistent mental illness, and it's really bloody frustrating when people minimize the challenges of actual mental illness by misusing these terms in a spat with someone on the internet. 

Thank you for what you do, I was in no way using the word to minimize mental illness. I did not make up the rules on what is an acceptable use of the word in our language, you can take that up with Merriam-Webster.

I didn't post because I wanted thanks, I posted because I want people to be a bit more mindful and thoughtful about how we speak about issues related to mental illness. Just because a term can be used by someone else in a way that minimizes its importance doesn't mean that it's right to do so.

And yes, I will take it up with dictionary.com as well.

I've never heard of the word "delusional" being a derogatory term or heard it used for mental illness.

Interesting.  

If someone is delusional, it means that they have delusions, which are a serious symptom of psychosis. It’s not just someone with whom you disagree. 

It isn’t a derogatory term, it’s a descriptive and factual term than is made derogatory when used in that manner. 

It is also an adjective used to describe someone who has false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions. Had I told H2TM that he had delusions then there would be no debate that I was targeting mental illness, but that was not the case. I thanked you for what you do not because I thought you were seeking it, but because I find your profession admirable.

Except I'm still waiting for you to point out where I stated that I believe only one race is responsible for gun violence. Which is where your "delusional" label emanated from, right?

We already went over why I used the D-word yesterday.

mickeyrat

from L10s post.....

"they're going to play a song that's considered the "Black National Anthem" before the real national anthem."

bad phrasing imo.....
the qualifier of "real" is unnecessary to my eye.

it goes back to Kap and his objection to the lyrics, in particular the parts left out of the actual song. Doesnt include "all lives" to my reading.

cutz

Full story:   https://www.theroot.com/star-spangled-bigotry-the-hidden-racist-history-of-the-1790855893#replies

Star-Spangled Bigotry: The Hidden Racist History of the National Anthem

Americans generally get a failing grade when it comes to knowing our “patriotic songs.” I know more people who can recite “America, F—k Yeah” from Team America than “America the Beautiful.” “Yankee Doodle”? No one older than a fifth-grader in chorus class remembers the full song. “God Bless America”? More people know the Rev. Jeremiah Wright remix than the actual full lyrics of the song. Most black folks don’t even know “the black national anthem.” (There’s a great story about Bill Clinton being at an NAACP meeting where he was the only one who knew it past the first line. Bill Clinton: Woke in the ’90s.)

In the case of our national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner,” perhaps not knowing the full lyrics is a good thing. It is one of the most racist, pro-slavery, anti-black songs in the American lexicon, and you would be wise to cut it from your Fourth of July playlist.

“The Star-Spangled Banner,” as most Americans know it, is only a couple of lines. In fact, if you look up the song on Google, only the most famous lyrics pop up on Page 1:

A few weeks later, in September of 1815, far from being a captive, Key was on a British boat begging for the release of one of his friends, a doctor named William Beanes. Key was on the boat waiting to see if the British would release his friend when he observed the bloody battle of Fort McHenry in Baltimore on Sept. 13, 1814. America lost the battle but managed to inflict heavy casualties on the British in the process. This inspired Key to write “The Star-Spangled Banner” right then and there, but no one remembers that he wrote a full third stanza decrying the former slaves who were now working for the British army:

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore,
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion
A home and a Country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash’d out their foul footstep’s pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave,
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.