Black people in Portland struggle to be heard amid protests
By GILLIAN FLACCUS and SUMAN NAISHADHAM
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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Chaotic and often violent protests against racial injustice have topped the headlines for days, but lost in the shouting are the voices of many Black Portland residents themselves — and their feelings about the unrest are nuanced and diverse.
Some feel the overwhelmingly white crowds of protesters — and particularly those committing vandalism — are co-opting the Black Lives Matter movement. Others welcome white demonstrators because with their larger numbers they can draw attention to the city's racial inequity in ways that Black demonstrators alone can't.
Some believe deeply that there can’t be a Black Lives Matter movement without defunding the police. Others say a recent vote to cut a specialized gun violence reduction unit is behind a sharp spike in shootings that's devastated their community.
Primarily, there is a persistent worry that a critical opportunity for achieving racial justice in Portland's tiny Black community could be lost. Many cite competing voices and the harsh glare of a national spotlight, which has reduced the situation to a culture war when the reality is much more complex.
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Black people in Portland struggle to be heard amid protests
By GILLIAN FLACCUS and SUMAN NAISHADHAM
Today
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Chaotic and often violent protests against racial injustice have topped the headlines for days, but lost in the shouting are the voices of many Black Portland residents themselves — and their feelings about the unrest are nuanced and diverse.
Some feel the overwhelmingly white crowds of protesters — and particularly those committing vandalism — are co-opting the Black Lives Matter movement. Others welcome white demonstrators because with their larger numbers they can draw attention to the city's racial inequity in ways that Black demonstrators alone can't.
Some believe deeply that there can’t be a Black Lives Matter movement without defunding the police. Others say a recent vote to cut a specialized gun violence reduction unit is behind a sharp spike in shootings that's devastated their community.
Primarily, there is a persistent worry that a critical opportunity for achieving racial justice in Portland's tiny Black community could be lost. Many cite competing voices and the harsh glare of a national spotlight, which has reduced the situation to a culture war when the reality is much more complex.
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There's just no easy answer. I still maintain what is needed is clear goals and strong leadership from the black community, not so much- despite the good intentions- from the white community.
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Black people in Portland struggle to be heard amid protests
By GILLIAN FLACCUS and SUMAN NAISHADHAM
Today
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Chaotic and often violent protests against racial injustice have topped the headlines for days, but lost in the shouting are the voices of many Black Portland residents themselves — and their feelings about the unrest are nuanced and diverse.
Some feel the overwhelmingly white crowds of protesters — and particularly those committing vandalism — are co-opting the Black Lives Matter movement. Others welcome white demonstrators because with their larger numbers they can draw attention to the city's racial inequity in ways that Black demonstrators alone can't.
Some believe deeply that there can’t be a Black Lives Matter movement without defunding the police. Others say a recent vote to cut a specialized gun violence reduction unit is behind a sharp spike in shootings that's devastated their community.
Primarily, there is a persistent worry that a critical opportunity for achieving racial justice in Portland's tiny Black community could be lost. Many cite competing voices and the harsh glare of a national spotlight, which has reduced the situation to a culture war when the reality is much more complex.
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Sad state of affairs when a bunch of privileged white people are exploiting black people and black causes to push their own political or social agendas. No surprise, this has been done several times throughout history. Still does not make it any less deplorable. The rioters and arsonist attempting murder are a big white stain on the BLM movement.
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jeesh...good thing he lives in the land of the free.
unbelievable
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jeesh...good thing he lives in the land of the free.
unbelievable
LAW AND ORDER!
the first Biden pardon, is my hope.
Wouldn't it have to be a federal crime for Biden to pardon him?
Either way, this guy serving a life sentence for stealing hedge clippers is outrageous. Habitual offender or not. That's what I hate about bureaucrats. "Rules are rules" are to them.
jeesh...good thing he lives in the land of the free.
unbelievable
LAW AND ORDER!
the first Biden pardon, is my hope.
Wouldn't it have to be a federal crime for Biden to pardon him?
Either way, this guy serving a life sentence for stealing hedge clippers is outrageous. Habitual offender or not. That's what I hate about bureaucrats. "Rules are rules" are to them.
correct.
“Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President … However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense.
“Since Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are both state prisoners, the President cannot pardon them. A pardon in this case would need to be issued at the state level by the appropriate authorities.”
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1297721479711334401?s=21 Black folks keep getting killed by cops every damn say plus C19 is killing black folks as well, I say keep in protesting every god damn day and cops should be retrained at least retrained or weed out the bad cops there’s plenty of them!
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1297721479711334401?s=21 Black folks keep getting killed by cops every damn say plus C19 is killing black folks as well, I say keep in protesting every god damn day and cops should be retrained at least retrained or weed out the bad cops there’s plenty of them!
I have no problem with this. What I am having a problem with now is that the mentality that ALL cops are bad is falling on my deaf ears.
I want reform but when you have open season on a whole group of people then it's lost is luster for me.
There was a cop telling a protester that "they won" and the protester couldn't have been more of a jerk. It's things like this that sour me daily.
The BLM website has some great info on it now. I would love that message to transcend to the people in the streets.
https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1297721479711334401?s=21 Black folks keep getting killed by cops every damn say plus C19 is killing black folks as well, I say keep in protesting every god damn day and cops should be retrained at least retrained or weed out the bad cops there’s plenty of them!
I have no problem with this. What I am having a problem with now is that the mentality that ALL cops are bad is falling on my deaf ears.
I want reform but when you have open season on a whole group of people then it's lost is luster for me.
There was a cop telling a protester that "they won" and the protester couldn't have been more of a jerk. It's things like this that sour me daily.
The BLM website has some great info on it now. I would love that message to transcend to the people in the streets.
jeesh...good thing he lives in the land of the free.
unbelievable
LAW AND ORDER!
the first Biden pardon, is my hope.
Wouldn't it have to be a federal crime for Biden to pardon him?
Either way, this guy serving a life sentence for stealing hedge clippers is outrageous. Habitual offender or not. That's what I hate about bureaucrats. "Rules are rules" are to them.
Watched. Powerful words by her. Almost had to stop cause the annoying "mmmmm" some dude kept doing.
Sure if he did exactly what the cops said he would have had a much better opportunity to not be shot, but like someone said above, that isn't the point. We cannot continue to condone this escalation behavior from the police. They are not prison guards, not everyone should be assumed guilty. They are not judges/jury, they shouldn't be carrying out a sentence. And they are the ones more often than not creating the situation in the first place.
sadly, i don't see this changing. i see so much "if he just listened to the cops....". people just don't fucking get it. i'm afraid they never will.
OK...first and foremost, the guy shouldnt have been shot..Regardless of ignoring the cops...Should they have just let him drive away?
Bad police work..he should have been tackled or tazed first..amazing how being afraid of applying the law to a black person resulted in shooting him 7 times..just wow.
sadly, i don't see this changing. i see so much "if he just listened to the cops....". people just don't fucking get it. i'm afraid they never will.
OK...first and foremost, the guy shouldnt have been shot..Regardless of ignoring the cops...Should they have just let him drive away?
Bad police work..he should have been tackled or tazed first..amazing how being afraid of applying the law to a black person resulted in shooting him 7 times..just wow.
This is what I’ve been struggling with the last couple days. Personally I don’t see asking Blake to follow directions from the lawful authorities and the gross overreaction by the police as either/or.
There’s been posts (Chuck D’s hit me) that say that attributing any blame to Blake makes one “part of the problem”, implying racism.
I truly want to be an ally in the struggle, but pushing me away for trying to be objective seems counterproductive.
I’ve seen posts asking why protesters are judged by the most violent but not the police. I try to judge the rioters separately from the peaceful protesters, and apply the same thought process to the authorities. Is the point now to let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch?
"The world is full of idiots and I am but one of them."
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Expect BLM-Toronto protests in the coming days. A tragic outcome obviously, but the family’s initial claims that she was pushed off the balcony were dangerous and in the end not substantiated. I’m sure a civil suit is in the offing.
Is there a bigger POS or a worse spokesperson for BLM than Shaun King?
And of course Pearl Jam follows him. But I expect better from Weird Al. Eh, to each their own I guess.
following is not necessarily an endorsement, just so you know.
I didn't say it was. But you must have some sort of interest in what someone says if you're following them.
of course. what's one of the biggest criticisms that right wingers have of this place? it being an echo chamber. if you aren't interested in what others you disagree with are saying, you are doing it wrong.
of course, this could also absolutely mean the band follows him because they agree with him. i was just responding to your "of course (pearl jam) follow him". the implication being that they support him because they follow him on twitter. which i doubt any of the band members are even involved in.
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Louisiana court upholds black man’s life sentence for trying to steal hedge clippers
jeesh...good thing he lives in the land of the free.
PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Chaotic and often violent protests against racial injustice have topped the headlines for days, but lost in the shouting are the voices of many Black Portland residents themselves — and their feelings about the unrest are nuanced and diverse.
Some feel the overwhelmingly white crowds of protesters — and particularly those committing vandalism — are co-opting the Black Lives Matter movement. Others welcome white demonstrators because with their larger numbers they can draw attention to the city's racial inequity in ways that Black demonstrators alone can't.
Some believe deeply that there can’t be a Black Lives Matter movement without defunding the police. Others say a recent vote to cut a specialized gun violence reduction unit is behind a sharp spike in shootings that's devastated their community.
Primarily, there is a persistent worry that a critical opportunity for achieving racial justice in Portland's tiny Black community could be lost. Many cite competing voices and the harsh glare of a national spotlight, which has reduced the situation to a culture war when the reality is much more complex.
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
There's just no easy answer. I still maintain what is needed is clear goals and strong leadership from the black community, not so much- despite the good intentions- from the white community.
The rioters and arsonist attempting murder are a big white stain on the BLM movement.
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Either way, this guy serving a life sentence for stealing hedge clippers is outrageous. Habitual offender or not. That's what I hate about bureaucrats. "Rules are rules" are to them.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
“Under the Constitution, only federal criminal convictions, such as those adjudicated in the United States District Courts, may be pardoned by the President … However, the President cannot pardon a state criminal offense.
“Since Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey are both state prisoners, the President cannot pardon them. A pardon in this case would need to be issued at the state level by the appropriate authorities.”
Black folks keep getting killed by cops every damn say plus C19 is killing black folks as well, I say keep in protesting every god damn day and cops should be retrained at least retrained or weed out the bad cops there’s plenty of them!
I want reform but when you have open season on a whole group of people then it's lost is luster for me.
There was a cop telling a protester that "they won" and the protester couldn't have been more of a jerk. It's things like this that sour me daily.
The BLM website has some great info on it now. I would love that message to transcend to the people in the streets.
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Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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Sure if he did exactly what the cops said he would have had a much better opportunity to not be shot, but like someone said above, that isn't the point. We cannot continue to condone this escalation behavior from the police. They are not prison guards, not everyone should be assumed guilty. They are not judges/jury, they shouldn't be carrying out a sentence. And they are the ones more often than not creating the situation in the first place.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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There’s been posts (Chuck D’s hit me) that say that attributing any blame to Blake makes one “part of the problem”, implying racism.
I truly want to be an ally in the struggle, but pushing me away for trying to be objective seems counterproductive.
I’ve seen posts asking why protesters are judged by the most violent but not the police. I try to judge the rioters separately from the peaceful protesters, and apply the same thought process to the authorities. Is the point now to let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch?
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of course, this could also absolutely mean the band follows him because they agree with him. i was just responding to your "of course (pearl jam) follow him". the implication being that they support him because they follow him on twitter. which i doubt any of the band members are even involved in.
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