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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,225
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,812
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
    I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 15,281
    edited July 9
    mcgruff10 said:
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
    I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!
    Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

    How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

    -Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
    -People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
    -So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
    -Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
    -You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 23,212
    mcgruff10 said:
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
    I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!
    Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

    How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

    -Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
    -People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
    -So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
    -Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
    -You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 

    then theres folks like me who say do what you want with it, its just symbol of ideals we seem to refuse to try to live up to and honor.

    then I'll hang mine upside down and stay seated during the anthem.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,968
    edited July 9
    I  actually think it started well before Kaepernick...though that was probably an amplifier. I have no memory of a time when the right didn't think they loved America more and wasn't more devoted to flying the flag than the left (with the possible exception of the first year or two after 9/11, which good and bad, was about as unified as the two sides have been). That said, it's more recent that it's started to be viewed as an exclusively right-wing thing. I don't actually think it was things like Kaepernick as much as it was the right-wing media outrage machine using it as a divider and a way to demonize what is now their #1 enemy; domestic liberals (and even moderates).

    I've never had an American flag (or any flag, really) and it's not because I consider it a right-wing thing as much as I've always struggled with the line between patriotism and jingoism. I think patriotism in and of itself is OK but I think we're far too devoted to how we're the greatest and it brings out an ugliness.  I also happen to think that patriotism doesn't actually necessitate outward expressions and virtue signaling.*  Kind of like how if I go to a sporting event, the guy in face paint, team jersey, and garish head decor isn't necessarily a bigger fan than the neutrally dressed fan.

    All this said, maybe the left, center, and whoever need to start flying the flag. Having it co-opted by people who hate the majority of people the flag is meant to represent isn't working.

    *Another term co-opted by the right despite their being just as guilty.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 15,281
    mickeyrat said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
    I wanted to put up an American flag in front of our house and my 17 year old daughter said to me, "you can't fly a flag!  Only Trumpsters fly flags."  I was like, huh?!  According to her generation this "patriotism" is viewed as republican/Trump which to me is total bs.  How did we get here?!
    Well first off, I don't think it's just her generation. There's people in our age range (late 30's, early 40's) that are probably thinking the same thing.

    How did we get here? The ball might have started rolling with Colin Kaepernick's protests....

    -Kaepernick starts kneeling during the national anthem
    -People on the right begin saying that's disrespectful to the flag.
    -So you have Kaepernick and BLM on the left, flag-lovers on the right.
    -Far-right rallies begin to feature the American flag, but it's often waving along side the confederate flag, and in some cases, even the Nazi flag. 
    -You get all those flags together, coupled with the morons you see waving them, and it all starts to blur together for some people. 

    then theres folks like me who say do what you want with it, its just symbol of ideals we seem to refuse to try to live up to and honor.

    then I'll hang mine upside down and stay seated during the anthem.
    Yeah do whatever ya want with it. 
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,888
    I grew up with my dad raising our flag every Memorial Day and similar observances. He treated that silly piece of cloth with seriousness, and with respect…and I helped him fold it back up every time, military style. For him, it represented freedom from a country that exterminated — like fucking rodents — much of his family out of hate and division. It represented freedom to come to the US, be welcomed, and at 22, become part of our armed forces literally fighting back against those who stole and destroyed so much and so many.

    Am I a Trump supporter for how I feel?  A lesser person in the eyes of some? Generalizations are de rigeur, you know. 

    If so, oh well. The older I get, the more I have no problem thinking others can fuck off if they want to jump to conclusions.

    What a country. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,434
    Those who support trump turned the American flag into “their” flag based on his political and “patriotic” rhetoric.  I can certainly understand why the movement feels this way.  Since republicans act like we no longer are represented by “their” flag then it actually is no longer ours.  I’m white and I’m with the guy a few posts back - nothing but a piece of cloth….just depends whose carrying it or flying it determines my attitude about old glory. 
    This.

    I have been saying that I want to take the flag back.  Whenever I see a flag flown on a pick up truck I look for the sticker w the blue line then the Trump sticker for the trifecta.

    I want to take the flag back.  I want to fly it.  It should mean more to a country rather than divide it.  Wanting to make a new flag is only going to divide us more.

    Take the flag back.
    Hasn’t flying the flag been associated more with the Republican Party for a very long time? It’s really
    nothing new. And unfortunately Trump is still one of the big faces of that party. 
    I remember watching one of those To Catch a Criminal shows probably 20 years ago. They interviewed a robber and he said he never breaks into a house that flies the flag. Because they are probably republican and republicans own guns. So it’s nothing new. Just Trump being the face of the party is, for the last 5 years anyway.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,225
    This has shifted away from BLM but at least we are having a conversation.

    I'm going to start a new thread about the flag.  Maybe we can start our own movement?
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 15,281
    This has shifted away from BLM but at least we are having a conversation.

    I'm going to start a new thread about the flag.  Maybe we can start our own movement?
    I don't think we need a flag thread. This flag discussion came about due to the BLM Utah chapter commenting about the flag. Nothing wrong with getting a little off-topic if it stemmed from the topic. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,812
    I always associated forced/over the top patriotism like “I m proud to be an American” as republican but never as something as simple as flying a us flag.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,225
    This has shifted away from BLM but at least we are having a conversation.

    I'm going to start a new thread about the flag.  Maybe we can start our own movement?
    I don't think we need a flag thread. This flag discussion came about due to the BLM Utah chapter commenting about the flag. Nothing wrong with getting a little off-topic if it stemmed from the topic. 
    Sometimes things deserve their own thread though.  

    I remember Jello Biafra burning the flag years ago calling it the Yankee Swastika.  He has always been about hitting you w a hammer though.

    DK's Stars n Stripes of Corruption is such a great song and gave me a different perspective on people that I didn't realize acted the way they did about the flag...
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,434
    mcgruff10 said:
    I always associated forced/over the top patriotism like “I m proud to be an American” as republican but never as something as simple as flying a us flag.  
    Maybe flying it in a holiday. But for a very long time, pretty much all my adult life, the houses I see that fly a permanent flag I assume mostly are Republican. There aren’t that many houses that I see do that anymore, probably less than 10%.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,812
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I always associated forced/over the top patriotism like “I m proud to be an American” as republican but never as something as simple as flying a us flag.  
    Maybe flying it in a holiday. But for a very long time, pretty much all my adult life, the houses I see that fly a permanent flag I assume mostly are Republican. There aren’t that many houses that I see do that anymore, probably less than 10%.
    So you assume that they are Republican, maybe they aren’t.  I mean if they are flying a trump flag then check mate.  We need to take our flag back.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,225
    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
    Yes and the democratic debate where they mostly didn't became a rally cry too.  I remember the next debate the backdrop was full of flags.  They heard the noise.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,812
    edited July 9
    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
    I m conflicted on this but I do understand the outrage. How hard is it to wear a flag pin? Why give people an excuse to be mad at you?
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 6,434
    mcgruff10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I always associated forced/over the top patriotism like “I m proud to be an American” as republican but never as something as simple as flying a us flag.  
    Maybe flying it in a holiday. But for a very long time, pretty much all my adult life, the houses I see that fly a permanent flag I assume mostly are Republican. There aren’t that many houses that I see do that anymore, probably less than 10%.
    So you assume that they are Republican, maybe they aren’t.  I mean if they are flying a trump flag then check mate.  We need to take our flag back.  
    According to this 80% Republicans flew the flag this 4th compared to 58% Democrats. Not as big of a difference as I would have guessed, but still a big difference. I still would guess those every day fliers I was referring to is a bigger difference. But I haven’t done research, just my impression.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/american-flag-fly-cbs-poll/
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,167
    mcgruff10 said:
    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
    I m conflicted on this but I do understand the outrage. How hard is it to wear a fag pin? Why give people an excuse to be mad at you?
    Is Obama gay? NTTIAWWT.

    So, if POTUS doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin, folks should be outraged? I thought the flag represented, in part, "freedom of expression?"
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 25,812
    mcgruff10 said:
    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
    I m conflicted on this but I do understand the outrage. How hard is it to wear a fag pin? Why give people an excuse to be mad at you?
    Is Obama gay? NTTIAWWT.

    So, if POTUS doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin, folks should be outraged? I thought the flag represented, in part, "freedom of expression?"
    Ha ha. Damn phone. 
    I think the pres and vp should wear a Flag pin, but to each their own.  I won’t be offended if someone does or doesn’t wear one. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 29,225
    mcgruff10 said:
    Remember the outrage, absolute outrage, among repubs when President Obama didn’t wear a lapel flag pin?
    I m conflicted on this but I do understand the outrage. How hard is it to wear a fag pin? Why give people an excuse to be mad at you?
    Is Obama gay? NTTIAWWT.

    So, if POTUS doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin, folks should be outraged? I thought the flag represented, in part, "freedom of expression?"
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    hedonist said:
    I grew up with my dad raising our flag every Memorial Day and similar observances. He treated that silly piece of cloth with seriousness, and with respect…and I helped him fold it back up every time, military style. For him, it represented freedom from a country that exterminated — like fucking rodents — much of his family out of hate and division. It represented freedom to come to the US, be welcomed, and at 22, become part of our armed forces literally fighting back against those who stole and destroyed so much and so many.

    Am I a Trump supporter for how I feel?  A lesser person in the eyes of some? Generalizations are de rigeur, you know. 

    If so, oh well. The older I get, the more I have no problem thinking others can fuck off if they want to jump to conclusions.

    What a country. 
    I know I said it’s a just a cloth, but I proudly hang my flag from May to September to honor my nephew who served in Afghanistan.  I don’t give a shit what people think either but I’m fairly certain that our two Jeep’s with PJ stickers all over lets them know where we stand.  And you should still celebrate the flag for your father….what you said didn’t make me think at all who you supported because you’ve spoken so lovingly about your father and his service.  If people who don’t know you think otherwise then screw them.  Like I said my response is based on the situation and context.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,139
    nicknyr15 said:
    Didn’t that girl make jokes about rape and anti Mexican and anti Asian tweets a few years back? I guess she’s all grown up and changed now. 
    Well are you the same as you were when you were younger? I know I was a jerk most of my young adulthood..
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,980
    nicknyr15 said:
    Didn’t that girl make jokes about rape and anti Mexican and anti Asian tweets a few years back? I guess she’s all grown up and changed now. 
    Well are you the same as you were when you were younger? I know I was a jerk most of my young adulthood..
    So do we forgive all, or some for past racism? 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,139
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Didn’t that girl make jokes about rape and anti Mexican and anti Asian tweets a few years back? I guess she’s all grown up and changed now. 
    Well are you the same as you were when you were younger? I know I was a jerk most of my young adulthood..
    So do we forgive all, or some for past racism? 
    I’d only forgive if so called racist showed remorse  and showed improvement behavior..
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,980
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Didn’t that girl make jokes about rape and anti Mexican and anti Asian tweets a few years back? I guess she’s all grown up and changed now. 
    Well are you the same as you were when you were younger? I know I was a jerk most of my young adulthood..
    So do we forgive all, or some for past racism? 
    I’d only forgive if so called racist showed remorse  and showed improvement behavior..
    Makes sense. 
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    Landscaping was hardly his lifelong dream.

    As a teenager, Alton Lucas believed basketball or music would pluck him out of North Carolina and take him around the world. In the late 1980s, he was the right-hand man to his musical best friend, Youtha Anthony Fowler, who many hip hop and R&B heads know as DJ Nabs.

    But rather than jet-setting with Fowler, Lucas discovered drugs and the drug trade at the height of the so-called war on drugs. Addicted to crack cocaine and involved in trafficking the drug, he faced decades-long imprisonment at a time when the drug abuse and violence plaguing major cities and working class Black communities were not seen as the public health issue that opioids are today.

    By chance, Lucas received a rare bit of mercy. He got the kind of help that many Black and Latino Americans struggling through the crack epidemic did not: treatment, early release and what many would consider a fresh start.

    “I started the landscaping company, to be honest with you, because nobody would hire me because I have a felony,” said Lucas. His Sunflower Landscaping got a boost in 2019 with the help of Inmates to Entrepreneurs, a national nonprofit assisting people with criminal backgrounds by providing practical entrepreneurship education.


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      By Kim Bellware

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/07/31/dolly-parton-whitney-houston/


    Dolly Parton invested Whitney Houston’s ‘I Will Always Love You’ cover royalties in Black community


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    In a catalogue that runs deep with hits, “I Will Always Love You” stands as one of Dolly Parton’s most successful songwriting credits, a tune that became a global phenomenon when it was covered by Whitney Houston for the 1992 film “The Bodyguard.”

    Parton, who is estimated to have earned millions of dollars in royalties for writing the song in 1973, revealed this week how she spent her money from the songwriting credit for Houston, who died in 2012: She invested in a building located in a historically Black Nashville neighborhood.

    “I bought my big office complex down in Nashville, and so I thought, ‘Well, this is a wonderful place to be,’ ” Parton said Thursday during a wide-ranging interview on Bravo’s “Watch What Happens Live With Andy Cohen.”

    Cohen had peppered Parton with lighthearted questions about her wig collection — Parton’s estimated inventory is 365 hairpieces — and the secret to her positive outlook on life. When Cohen tossed off a query about what was the best purchase she made using the royalties from the hit song, she spoke of a Nashville neighborhood then called Sevier Park, home to predominantly Black families and businesses.

    “It was a whole strip mall, and I thought this is the perfect place for me to be, considering it was Whitney, so I just thought, ‘This is great, I’m just going to be down here with her people, who are my people as well,’ ” Parton said.

    She added, “I love the fact that I spent that money on a complex and I think, ‘This is the house that Whitney built.’ ”

    Representatives for Parton did not immediately respond to requests for comment Saturday.

    Fueling Parton’s investment was the significant payday she earned from the success of Houston’s cover. Parton earned at least $10 million from it in the 1990s, Forbes estimated last year.

    The song had already been a hit — albeit a more modest one — when Parton wrote it in 1973 as a B side to the album “Jolene.” Parton’s version was a country music success, reaching No. 1 on Billboard’s country charts twice — the first in 1974 and again in 1982 when she rerecorded a version for the soundtrack to “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.”

    But it wasn’t until 1992, when Houston recorded her version of the song as the main musical set piece for “The Bodyguard” that the song reached new heights.

    Houston’s version became Billboard’s chart-topper for 14 weeks and helped “The Bodyguard” soundtrack win Album of the Year at the 1993 Grammy Awards. The album was the best-selling film soundtrack of all time as of 2019, according to the Hollywood Reporter.

    Despite the song’s massive success, it almost wasn’t a part of the film. Kevin Costner, Houston’s co-star and a producer on “The Bodyguard,” wanted to use the ’60s Motown soul hit “What Becomes of the Brokenhearted,” according to a 2017 BuzzFeed News profile of the album on its 25th anniversary. When a cover of the Jimmy Ruffin song ended up on the 1991 soundtrack for “Fried Green Tomatoes,” music supervisor Maureen Crowe instead suggested Linda Ronstadt’s cover of Dolly Parton’s “I Will Always Love You.”

    “It had ‘Whitney’ all over it,” music producer David Foster told BuzzFeed.

    Parton agreed. The first time she heard Houston’s version of her song, she had to pull over to avoid crashing her car because she was so overwhelmed.

    “I was shot so full of adrenaline and energy, I had to pull off, because I was afraid that I would wreck, so I pulled over quick as I could to listen to that whole song,” Parton told Oprah Winfrey in a 2020 interview. “I could not believe how she did that. I mean, how beautiful it was that my little song had turned into that, so that was a major, major thing.”

    Parton purchased the 6,317-square-foot Mission-style complex in Nashville in February 1997, according to property records. David Ewing, a longtime Nashville historian, told The Washington Post that Parton’s investment came when many recording artists did not look toward the Sevier Park neighborhood, now known as 12 South, to set up their businesses.

    “We’re just hearing now, because of the Black Lives Matter movement, how down for the cause Dolly has always been — even when others in the music industry weren’t,” Ewing said. “Dolly Parton could have built and bought any piece of property in Nashville. But you would have to have gone out of your way to buy in the 12 South neighborhood, because no Realtor would have shown Dolly that lot to buy.”

    At the time, the neighborhood was “African American funeral homes, businesses and churches,” Ewing said. Now, 12 South is one of the hottest neighborhoods in Nashville, he said.

    “But it really kind of all began to be put on the map when Dolly quietly invested in the area,” Ewing said.

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