The Last “Dance” ESPN Documentary

elvistheking44

cdthomas1981 said:

Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.

MJ staying clear of most of that is one thing I respected him for.

tempo_n_groove

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cp3iverson said:

Drazen would’ve been great in today’s NBA.  I didnt watch the Nets much but man he could shoot 3’s. 

Peja as well if he played ten yrs later.  He’d be a Way bigger asset. 

Do we all forget that the Euro's changed basketball?

7'0 forwards shooting 3's.
Euro step.
Deft passing.

Not the so-called "Euro Step."
That was being done before Bob Cousy played>LOL
I cringe when I ever I hear that term being used. 
How about this "Euro Step" from this 7' ? 
https://youtu.be/rte0KxWhO3g

How about this? First player in the Video is DR. J !
https://youtu.be/YAEPA-_ulPE

I'll give them the 7' shooting 3's. Dirk was the first to be able to hit 3's on a consistent bases? 

Ginobili made the Euro Step popular.  That's easy research.  He did that second move laterally that was different than the usual 2 step.

Back in the 90's you had big guys running the floor and making 3's and passing like point guards.

Read above and all those players were big guys that changed the game to how it's played.

Watching Shaq go cost to coast was always entertainment, lol!

The so-called Euro Step was  being done well before Ginobili. 

I think a lot of people forget how well Shaq could run when he was younger. It was scary and, like you said, entertaining. 

Of course it was, that's why I said Manu made it popular.  

Shaq could handle the ball well and no one was getting in his way when he was full speed, they'd be dead!

tempo_n_groove

cdthomas1981 said:

Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.

You think MJ could have been at Ali levels?

Glorified KC

tempo_n_groove said:

cdthomas1981 said:

Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.

You think MJ could have been at Ali levels?

No I think it would have been a different tone.  Probably less flamboyant.  He’s such a competitor I wonder how far he would take in winning a political argument.

myoung321

Really enjoying this doc... made me want to pull out some oldies to look at ..

RK50065

Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 

mfc2006

Going to start watching it this weekend.

tempo_n_groove

RK50065 said:

Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 

There are better cards to have than the 86 fleer!

Those starting lineup figures did a disservice to his shoe game...

tempo_n_groove

myoung321 said:

Really enjoying this doc... made me want to pull out some oldies to look at ..

Any 94-99 cards?

Leathe?ma?

I rooted badly for the Knicks in the 90s.. How they let that two game lead slip? ((

Glorified KC

I was too young to appreciate the Bulls vs. Pistons era, but grew up in the middle of the Bulls vs. Knicks.  I absolutely hated the Knicks.

eeriepadave

RK50065 said:

Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 

I have a few Starting Lineup figures. No Jordan's though. Mostly baseball ones. Few hockey, basketball and football ones. Actually trying to get rid of/sell some of the "common" ones or ones i don't want anymore.

cp3iverson

Leathe?ma? said:

I rooted badly for the Knicks in the 90s.. How they let that two game lead slip? ((

I watched the Charles Smith game on a 10” black and white TV.  I will never forget that series. 

eeriepadave

some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.

Glorified KC

eeriepadave said:

some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.

How about some Black, Red and Yellow?

Ledbetterman10

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

eeriepadave

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

And Space Jam. 😛

side note, I have never seen Space Jam. Kinda want to now.

Glorified KC

The end of episode 7 gave me goosebumps.

eeriepadave

eeriepadave said:

some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.

Thought they might put in a song during the 95-96 playoffs against Seattle.

Wonder who Ed and Jeff (and the rest of the gang) were rooting for, Chicago or Seattle? 🤔

Ledbetterman10

That part where it cuts from Gary Payton to MJ watching him talk was awesome. And he kinda/sorta implied he wanted to win on Father’s Day, something I suggested at the time....that he wanted to win in Chicago On Father’s Day. At the time, I said they lost on purpose. But now that I’m older, I think he just wasn’t manically competitive for games 4 and 5. “If we lose, we lose” almost for those games. 

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

Really? He was atrocious.

tempo_n_groove

Watching SVP afterwards, does anyone see Pippen in a different light?  I remember the low points but dude was such an on point player it out wayed anything bad he ever did.

Thoughts?

Glorified KC

tempo_n_groove said:

Watching SVP afterwards, does anyone see Pippen in a different light?  I remember the low points but dude was such an on point player it out wayed anything bad he ever did.

Thoughts?

I remember when Pip didn’t come out for the last play against the Knicks.  It made me feel like he wasn’t willing to take the role of the team leader because of that.  The Knicks also had a really good team that year so it may not have mattered, but he definitely made a big mistake.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

Really? He was atrocious.

Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 

Glorified KC

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

Really? He was atrocious.

Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 

Not to mention he was in his 30’s when he did it.  The man was just incredible.

cp3iverson

-i remember how crazy the Pip/Kukoc thing was.  Weird feeling because that buzzer beater was so great. Doesnt tarnish his rep to me. He was a moody player to begin with.  

-Payton DID do a great job on Jordan.  Held him to like 21ppg and poor shooting in the three games he guarded him. Everyone forget that

cp3iverson

Somethings are just about being in the right place at the right time.  

In 1984, George Koehler was a struggling limo driver.  He goes to the airport to pick someone up and the person never shows. Instead he runs into rookie MJ who needs a ride to training camp. George gives him his business card during the ride.  He becomes his personal assistant and best friend.  

Ledbetterman10

cp3iverson said:

-i remember how crazy the Pip/Kukoc thing was.  Weird feeling because that buzzer beater was so great. Doesnt tarnish his rep to me. He was a moody player to begin with.  

-Payton DID do a great job on Jordan.  Held him to like 21ppg and poor shooting in the three games he guarded him. Everyone forget that

I was disappointed that Pip didn’t show regret last night for the 1.8 thing. He said he wished it never happened (rather than saying “I wish I didn’t do that”) and said he’d do it again. 

I’m a huge Pip fan and I took so much ridicule from my friends when he did that. I was embarrassed for him. No doubt. But like you said....moody player. And you can’t focus on a mere 1.8 seconds of selfishness when every other moment of his 17-year career was totally team-first. He fucked up at the time, I wish he showed regret last night, but whatever. It’s 1.8 seconds of a game they won anyway. 

And yeah, Payton did do good on MJ. But if ya look back, by his MJ standards, the 1996 playoffs were his worst of all his six title years playoffs. He didn’t shoot well that whole postseason, and especially then with Payton on him. 

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

Really? He was atrocious.

Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 

cdthomas1981 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 

Really? He was atrocious.

Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 

Not to mention he was in his 30’s when he did it.  The man was just incredible.

I'm glad to see that batting 202 is respectable to you...

I remember a bunch of people saying that he was going to be a great ball player, no he wasn't.  

tempo_n_groove

Biggest take from last night was the pickup games during Space Jam filming.  How friggin crazy were those teams!?!  EVERYONE was coming to them.

I'd love to see more footage of that.