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The Last “Dance” ESPN Documentary

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    elvistheking44elvistheking44 Posts: 4,245
    Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.
    MJ staying clear of most of that is one thing I respected him for.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    cutz said:
    cutz said:
    Drazen would’ve been great in today’s NBA.  I didnt watch the Nets much but man he could shoot 3’s. 

    Peja as well if he played ten yrs later.  He’d be a Way bigger asset. 
    Do we all forget that the Euro's changed basketball?

    7'0 forwards shooting 3's.
    Euro step.
    Deft passing.
    Not the so-called "Euro Step."
    That was being done before Bob Cousy played>LOL
    I cringe when I ever I hear that term being used. 
    How about this "Euro Step" from this 7' ? 
    https://youtu.be/rte0KxWhO3g

    How about this? First player in the Video is DR. J !
    https://youtu.be/YAEPA-_ulPE

    I'll give them the 7' shooting 3's. Dirk was the first to be able to hit 3's on a consistent bases? 
    Ginobili made the Euro Step popular.  That's easy research.  He did that second move laterally that was different than the usual 2 step.

    Back in the 90's you had big guys running the floor and making 3's and passing like point guards.

    Read above and all those players were big guys that changed the game to how it's played.

    Watching Shaq go cost to coast was always entertainment, lol!
    The so-called Euro Step was  being done well before Ginobili. 

    I think a lot of people forget how well Shaq could run when he was younger. It was scary and, like you said, entertaining. 
    Of course it was, that's why I said Manu made it popular.  

    Shaq could handle the ball well and no one was getting in his way when he was full speed, they'd be dead!


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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.
    You think MJ could have been at Ali levels?
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    Could you even imagine how passionate and driven MJ may have sounded, had he used his platform to speak out against political issues and racial inequality?  I can't blame anyone for not using their platform.  We all in essence have a platform and there is always a risk when exercising free speech.  The man focused his energy mainly on athletic competition and I can't imagine he would have much left to give outside of that given the intensity in which he focused that energy.
    You think MJ could have been at Ali levels?
    No I think it would have been a different tone.  Probably less flamboyant.  He’s such a competitor I wonder how far he would take in winning a political argument.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Really enjoying this doc... made me want to pull out some oldies to look at ..




    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


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    RK50065RK50065 St. Louis, MO Posts: 886
    Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    Going to start watching it this weekend.
    I LOVE MUSIC.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    RK50065 said:
    Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 
    There are better cards to have than the 86 fleer!

    Those starting lineup figures did a disservice to his shoe game...
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    myoung321 said:
    Really enjoying this doc... made me want to pull out some oldies to look at ..




    Any 94-99 cards?
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    Leathe?ma?Leathe?ma? Яussia Posts: 354
    I rooted badly for the Knicks in the 90s.. How they let that two game lead slip? ((
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    I was too young to appreciate the Bulls vs. Pistons era, but grew up in the middle of the Bulls vs. Knicks.  I absolutely hated the Knicks.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 40,962
    RK50065 said:
    Nice cards. Got an '86 Fleer?! Anyone else collect Starting Lineups? 

    I have a few Starting Lineup figures. No Jordan's though. Mostly baseball ones. Few hockey, basketball and football ones. Actually trying to get rid of/sell some of the "common" ones or ones i don't want anymore.
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    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,643
    I rooted badly for the Knicks in the 90s.. How they let that two game lead slip? ((
    I watched the Charles Smith game on a 10” black and white TV.  I will never forget that series. 
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    eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 40,962
    some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.
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    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.
    How about some Black, Red and Yellow?
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 40,962
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    And Space Jam. 😛

    side note, I have never seen Space Jam. Kinda want to now.
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    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    The end of episode 7 gave me goosebumps.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 40,962
    some Pearl Jam music this Sunday in the documentary? Newsletter suggests there might be.
    Thought they might put in a song during the 95-96 playoffs against Seattle.

    Wonder who Ed and Jeff (and the rest of the gang) were rooting for, Chicago or Seattle? 🤔
    bf959b1f-9b77-457c-baf8-038776f33339_zps8a6a389d.jpg?t=1365722973
    8/28/98- Camden, NJ
    10/31/09- Philly
    5/21/10- NYC
    9/2/12- Philly, PA
    7/19/13- Wrigley
    10/19/13- Brooklyn, NY
    10/21/13- Philly, PA
    10/22/13- Philly, PA
    10/27/13- Baltimore, MD
    Tres Mts.- 3/23/11- Philly
    Eddie Vedder- 6/25/11- Philly
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    That part where it cuts from Gary Payton to MJ watching him talk was awesome. And he kinda/sorta implied he wanted to win on Father’s Day, something I suggested at the time....that he wanted to win in Chicago On Father’s Day. At the time, I said they lost on purpose. But now that I’m older, I think he just wasn’t manically competitive for games 4 and 5. “If we lose, we lose” almost for those games. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    Really? He was atrocious.
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    Watching SVP afterwards, does anyone see Pippen in a different light?  I remember the low points but dude was such an on point player it out wayed anything bad he ever did.

    Thoughts?
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    Watching SVP afterwards, does anyone see Pippen in a different light?  I remember the low points but dude was such an on point player it out wayed anything bad he ever did.

    Thoughts?
    I remember when Pip didn’t come out for the last play against the Knicks.  It made me feel like he wasn’t willing to take the role of the team leader because of that.  The Knicks also had a really good team that year so it may not have mattered, but he definitely made a big mistake.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    Really? He was atrocious.
    Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,503
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    Really? He was atrocious.
    Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 
    Not to mention he was in his 30’s when he did it.  The man was just incredible.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,643
    -i remember how crazy the Pip/Kukoc thing was.  Weird feeling because that buzzer beater was so great. Doesnt tarnish his rep to me. He was a moody player to begin with.  

    -Payton DID do a great job on Jordan.  Held him to like 21ppg and poor shooting in the three games he guarded him. Everyone forget that
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,643
    Somethings are just about being in the right place at the right time.  

    In 1984, George Koehler was a struggling limo driver.  He goes to the airport to pick someone up and the person never shows. Instead he runs into rookie MJ who needs a ride to training camp. George gives him his business card during the ride.  He becomes his personal assistant and best friend.  
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,731
    -i remember how crazy the Pip/Kukoc thing was.  Weird feeling because that buzzer beater was so great. Doesnt tarnish his rep to me. He was a moody player to begin with.  

    -Payton DID do a great job on Jordan.  Held him to like 21ppg and poor shooting in the three games he guarded him. Everyone forget that
    I was disappointed that Pip didn’t show regret last night for the 1.8 thing. He said he wished it never happened (rather than saying “I wish I didn’t do that”) and said he’d do it again. 

    I’m a huge Pip fan and I took so much ridicule from my friends when he did that. I was embarrassed for him. No doubt. But like you said....moody player. And you can’t focus on a mere 1.8 seconds of selfishness when every other moment of his 17-year career was totally team-first. He fucked up at the time, I wish he showed regret last night, but whatever. It’s 1.8 seconds of a game they won anyway. 

    And yeah, Payton did do good on MJ. But if ya look back, by his MJ standards, the 1996 playoffs were his worst of all his six title years playoffs. He didn’t shoot well that whole postseason, and especially then with Payton on him. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    Really? He was atrocious.
    Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 
    I love the baseball stuff. Did then. Do now. 
    Really? He was atrocious.
    Well first off, no. To bat .202 with 50 RBIs, 30 stolen bases, and 3 homeruns in double-A pro baseball after not playing in 13 years is pretty damn good. Then he batted over .250 then in a fall league in i think Arizona. But more than that, that was cool as hell to take on the challenge. To willfully go from being the best in the world at something to start at the bottom of something else just for love of the game was incredible. 
    Not to mention he was in his 30’s when he did it.  The man was just incredible.
    I'm glad to see that batting 202 is respectable to you...

    I remember a bunch of people saying that he was going to be a great ball player, no he wasn't.  
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 39,066
    Biggest take from last night was the pickup games during Space Jam filming.  How friggin crazy were those teams!?!  EVERYONE was coming to them.

    I'd love to see more footage of that.
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