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The Last “Dance” ESPN Documentary

Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
edited April 2020 in All Encompassing Trip
Are you watching the documentary and what do you think so far?  I grew up watching the Bulls and Michael Jordan, but am realizing how much I did not know.
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    MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,209
    I put this in the Last Dance thread on the porch.. but I’ll add it here too.

    Guess which of the names on the hotel room list is Dennis Rodman’s alias.


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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
    edited April 2020
    Shit I tried to make sure there wasn’t already a thread on this.  My bad.
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
    I guess I will say, I forgot about Pippen’s feud against Krause.  Also the team that rolled into the 1986 Celtics, where Jordan scored 63 in game 2 was only 30-52!
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,531
    cdthomas1981 said:
    Are you watching the documentary and what do you think so far?  I grew up watching the Bulls and Michael Jordan, but am realizing how much I did not know.
    I was 10 years old when the Bulls won their first championship. Lived about 30 minutes from the loop in Chicago on Indiana side.  Listened to games on the radio when not on tv or past my bedtime and I was supposed to be sleeping.  Listened only to sports radio until I was 16 and discovered Pearl Jam.  

    Like you I am surprised how much I forgot.  I am sure we knew all of this stuff at the time but yeah I totally forgot about how they were broken up, Pippen’s injury and trade request, etc...
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    Attaway77Attaway77 Posts: 2,880
    I'll be watching this... Been waiting awhile for this to finally see some light. That was my era of growing up, Jordan took over the world and the Bulls were just beast on the court. Looking forward to it......
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    I don't follow basketball at all, but c'mon...that doc looks like a must-watch for me.

    Hopefully ESPN will be rerunning or on-demanding it.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    Loving every minute of this. 
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,617
    Watched the first episode and half of the second.... interesting to see the early stuff.  As many have shared, this was a peak time for NBA and we paid close attention, but I watched sporadically the first few years in the league so that is the stuff I found the most interesting this far.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    Superb. This is exactly what we need right now. Ratings will be through the roof.
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
    I was really interested in Pippen's story.  Like I said earlier, I didn't know things were so contentious between him and Krause.  I vaguely remember him wanting a trade in 1997, but honestly did not remember why.  Cannot believe he was the 122nd highest paid player, for someone I think had been named to the NBA's top-50 all time team before this.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    The biggest winner of this doc will be Carol Baskin, as Jerry Krause will take her spot as most loathsome documentary subject of 2020. 
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,617
    Pretty messed up how much footage they already showed of him being openly mocked.

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    Indifference71Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,736
    It still blows my mind that they went into that season knowing it would be their last.  You have one of the best coaches of all time and you announce that it's his last year just because the GM had a big ego and craved praise....crazy.  
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
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    A lot of why Pippen was making as "little" as he getting was his own fault.  Reinsdorf even advised him against signing the contract in 1991.  I thought it was unprofessional the way he treated Krause (Jordan too).  Both sides looked petty on this.
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    crookedcrosscrookedcross Right Near Da Beach, Boiii Posts: 1,418
    So far, it's good. I don't know if it's because there's nothing else to watch. One thing negative for me.. I don't like the way it jumps around. It was like listening to that one friend who tells you something and backfills you after every sentence. Like Michael Peña in Ant Man. We all have one.
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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,930
    Indifference71 said:
    It still blows my mind that they went into that season knowing it would be their last.  You have one of the best coaches of all time and you announce that it's his last year just because the GM had a big ego and craved praise....crazy.  
    Not to mention the team knew there was a chance of being dismantled in addition to the coaching change.  They had some aging players, but they were still head and shoulders above every other team in the league.  What a great time to be a Bulls fan (and sports fan in general).  This doc is so well done.

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    bbiggs said:
    Indifference71 said:
    It still blows my mind that they went into that season knowing it would be their last.  You have one of the best coaches of all time and you announce that it's his last year just because the GM had a big ego and craved praise....crazy.  
    Not to mention the team knew there was a chance of being dismantled in addition to the coaching change.  They had some aging players, but they were still head and shoulders above every other team in the league.  What a great time to be a Bulls fan (and sports fan in general).  This doc is so well done.

    The late 90's were kind of a blur to me in general as I was mostly blacked out in college during this time, so this is a great refresher. I had forgotten a lot this as well. Total forgot Pippen missed the first couple months actually. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    I've been playing that Alan Parson's song whenever I've entered a room so far today. The wife is none too pleased. 

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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,617
    :lol:
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,750
    And now to think....what if? What if he didn't retire for those 2 seasons? What if they wouldn't have been dismantled? Surely they would have won more rings, but how many more? 
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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
    The Juggler said:
    I've been playing that Alan Parson's song whenever I've entered a room so far today. The wife is none too pleased. 

    Never knew it was called Sirius
    I didn’t either until recently.  I always thought it was just the intro to Eye In The Sky.
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,378
    darwinstheory said:
    And now to think....what if? What if he didn't retire for those 2 seasons? What if they wouldn't have been dismantled? Surely they would have won more rings, but how many more? 
    I've often wondered this myself as a Houston Rockets fan--and that back to back was fun as hell to watch. I think Houston would've won on title & Chicago the other. Too bad that we'll never know---and I think those Finals would have been great to watch.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
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    mfc2006 said:
    darwinstheory said:
    And now to think....what if? What if he didn't retire for those 2 seasons? What if they wouldn't have been dismantled? Surely they would have won more rings, but how many more? 
    I've often wondered this myself as a Houston Rockets fan--and that back to back was fun as hell to watch. I think Houston would've won on title & Chicago the other. Too bad that we'll never know---and I think those Finals would have been great to watch.
    And what if he only played a year or two of college instead of three.

    Everyone loves Lebron's counting stats, but MJ really missed out on 4-5 years worth of basketball..

    Yeah a Rockets / Bulls Finals would've been great
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,977
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    I love that Jordan says that "there is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen".

    The one person I molded my basketball game after was Scottie Pippen.  He seemed to do everything right.  He was so fun to watch and I hated the Bulls, lol!
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,617
    You got game?
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    tempo_n_groove said:
    I love that Jordan says that "there is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen".

    The one person I molded my basketball game after was Scottie Pippen.  He seemed to do everything right.  He was so fun to watch and I hated the Bulls, lol!
    Same. I was nicknamed “Pistol Pip” by my high school coach for my love of Pippen and my vague resemblance at the time to a young Pete Maravich. 
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    tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,977
    F Me In The Brain said:
    You got game?
    Had game.  Not any more, lol.
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    xavier mcdanielxavier mcdaniel Somewhere in NYC Posts: 9,070
    I loved it. I was able to find recaps of Jordan's final season with the Bulls written by my former wire service SportsTicker on the web archive.
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    cutzcutz Posts: 11,422
    tempo_n_groove said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    You got game?
    Had game.  Not any more, lol.
    I use to be the "White Ice". It sucked that I was only 6' and not 6' 7.  I ONLY had game in the neighborhood.

    I enjoyed the first 2 episodes. I forgot Pippen was drafted by the Sonics.

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    Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,502
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    Something interesting I stumbled upon today.  The Trail Blazers passed on Jordan (Sam Bowie) in 1984.  Did you know the Bulls passed on Clyde Drexler one pick before the Blazers in 1983?  Imagine what if Chicago had drafted Clyde The Glide?  It was mentioned the reason why Portland passed on MJ, was because they already had a player like him.
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