Spring Tour Postponed - Letter from the Band

Darth Lizard King

Pearlgardn said:

I have to say I am amazed at how many folks here are so butt-hurt and taking this announcement personally. “We are adults, let us make our own decisions”. “No shows were postponed during the HIV epidemic...” First, diseases like HIV and cancer are not airborn. As far as everyone being “adults”... one of the reasons for this whole coronavirus issue is so many supposed adults do not practice hygiene basics, like not covering their cough or washing hands.

Okay, what if the tour wasn’t postponed and went on as planned, with people assuming there was no danger of infection by being in close contact with several thousand strangers? And several hundred of those strangers became ill and many died, maybe even some who are posting in this very chat? Or, heaven forbid, one of the boys. Think for a moment what the response would be then. Anyone who says thats better than the inconvenience of changing reservations or rearranging plans is a damn liar. They would say how irresponsible the band was. No one can tell me that having a possibly life threatening illness is less convenient than having to change travel plans. If you think that hotel or airline isn’t going to allow you to change or cancel a reservation, you won’t know until you ask. Given the circumstances, they would be foolish not to afford some exceptions.

People are going to be upset no matter how this is handled. The band made the best and most responsible decision possible given the facts they have. With the number of patients who are ill and have passed away so far in Seattle alone, the decision was wise, understandable and thoughtful for the health and safety of all concerned: the fans, the band and everyone associated. Rest assured, the decision was not made lightly. 

Get over it, y’all. If you want to bitch about PJ’s philosophies or their personal standards, please do not do it here. Everyone is gutted about this; be the adults you claim to be and understand.

What would we do if we didn't have you here to break it down via chapter and verse? Stay paranoid and barricaded in your bomb shelter. I think you already contracted something...hysteria.

Mike D88

SS105464 said:

Saltzy23 said:

SS105464 said:

JimmyV said:

This really isn't an incorrect statement:

"It certainly hasn’t helped that there’s been no clear messages from our government regarding people’s safety and our ability to go to work. Having no examples of our national health department’s ability to get ahead of this, we have no reason to believe that it will be under control in the coming weeks ahead."

There is no clear message from OUR government nor from any other government in any other country in the world.  No one knows enough about how this virus spreads and how to quickly diagnose people who contract it.  To point fingers at our government at this stage is absurd.  Should the people of Italy revolt because their government failed to stop a huge spread of the disease?  Putting blame really shows how divided the U.S. is, and that so many people are letting politics ruin one of the best countries in the world.  I don't know if this world will ever recover from all the hate that is generated daily.

Maybe if the fucking POTUS didn't lie or exaggerate about fucking EVERYTHING people would cut him a little slack.

This is what happens when you choose to bullshit nonstop, alienate everyone in the goddamn country that doesn't support you for 3 years, and call anyone that has the audacity to say anything negative about you "fake news" 

When shit like this happens, no one is willing to give you one shred of one doubt.

He has done this all to himself.

Huh?  So you probably think we would be better off with Hillary? LMFAO.....Again, why make this a political issue when it's a health issue?  Do you really believe that the President wants this to spread nationwide and have Americans die?  Can you be that ignorant?  BTW, half of this country is not alienated by this President.

Politics is often life and death over varying time scales, you craven cheerleader.

Darth Lizard King

MC185899 said:

Gvntofly said:

Much respect for the band to make this decision and I feel for all those that are impacted.  

I'm wondering if other bands will follow their steps.  I have tickets to see Tool on Saturday and it makes me question if it's worth going.  Of course I'll go because it's freaking Tool, although I would understand if they made the same decision.

Go see Tool.  Live your life.  I’m assuming you are under 70, so you will be just fine. People are
massively overreacting to this shit.

This x 100000000

Saltzy23

This board is about to go full on Defcon 1 toxic.

It's to be expected, but goddamn this sucks.

A few weeks from a new album and tour and this is where were at.

It's just sad.

Damn.

ForceofNature101

SS105464 said:

The biggest virus in this thread is Trump Derangement Syndrome.  The current government task force includes CDC virologist and Director, Robert Redfield, and Anthony Fauci, a top immunologist.  It is beyond pathetic that people here are bringing politics into this and blaming the President for a worldwide pandemic.  I suppose I better not call this the "Wuhan Virus" or I will be labelled a "racist" and Xenophobe!  

I am sorry but I am shocked at how well someone can get so many things wrong all in one singular post.  We need to do better as a fandom than posts like this

coreypjfan

Pearlgardn said:

I have to say I am amazed at how many folks here are so butt-hurt and taking this announcement personally. “We are adults, let us make our own decisions”. “No shows were postponed during the HIV epidemic...” First, diseases like HIV and cancer are not airborn. As far as everyone being “adults”... one of the reasons for this whole coronavirus issue is so many supposed adults do not practice hygiene basics, like not covering their cough or washing hands.

Okay, what if the tour wasn’t postponed and went on as planned, with people assuming there was no danger of infection by being in close contact with several thousand strangers? And several hundred of those strangers became ill and many died, maybe even some who are posting in this very chat? Or, heaven forbid, one of the boys. Think for a moment what the response would be then. Anyone who says thats better than the inconvenience of changing reservations or rearranging plans is a damn liar. They would say how irresponsible the band was. No one can tell me that having a possibly life threatening illness is less convenient than having to change travel plans. If you think that hotel or airline isn’t going to allow you to change or cancel a reservation, you won’t know until you ask. Given the circumstances, they would be foolish not to afford some exceptions.

People are going to be upset no matter how this is handled. The band made the best and most responsible decision possible given the facts they have. With the number of patients who are ill and have passed away so far in Seattle alone, the decision was wise, understandable and thoughtful for the health and safety of all concerned: the fans, the band and everyone associated. Rest assured, the decision was not made lightly. 

Get over it, y’all. If you want to bitch about PJ’s philosophies or their personal standards, please do not do it here. Everyone is gutted about this; be the adults you claim to be and understand.

All of this here. Thank you.

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PureandEasy

I find it amusing that a lot of the replies slamming the decision are from members with less than 100 posts. Mods, do your job, get rid of these trolls.

Darth Lizard King

I bet all those F5 people feel like pud-tugging toolbags!

MC185899

Pearlgardn said:

Get over it, y’all. If you want to bitch about PJ’s philosophies or their personal standards, please do not do it here. Everyone is gutted about this; be the adults you claim to be and understand.

“Please do not do it here”?!??  This is a goddamn Pearl Jam message board.  Do you have a better place in mind?

Pearlgardn

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

THIS IS TRUMPS FAULT!!!

OBAMA AND BIDEN SHOULD BE IMPEACHED

😳 Really? 

Hungryotto

What everyone else said. I just friggin knew it was coming because they really had no choice but.... shit

ForceofNature101

Darth Lizard King said:

All these people - "you made the right decision." Are you freaking kidding? Based on what? Some paranoid lunatics on CNN? This is absolute insanity. We never learn. Swine flu, ebola, bird flu, etc. Such a shame the band gave in to hysteria.

The band absolutely made the right decision.  There is a middle ground between hysteria and insensitivity/ignorance and that is the land where we are realistic about it, and minimize spreading not for the sake of you and me but for anyone who might potentially be seriously impacted by it be it age or existing health conditions

THEBIBLEISTEN

Darth Lizard King said:

All these people - "you made the right decision." Are you freaking kidding? Based on what? Some paranoid lunatics on CNN? This is absolute insanity. We never learn. Swine flu, ebola, bird flu, etc. Such a shame the band gave in to hysteria.

You are clueless. Do some homework and then come back and post something.

primussucks

https://youtu.be/azS5Xp4iVUM

mookeywrench

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

It’s sad with some of the responses on here. The band made the right call. Some of you need to have your heads examined. It’s a concert, they will make it up. People’s safety should be #1. What happened to basic human compassion?

Gone.  Some’s true colors are a lot...different...than what I thought. 

anyone in particular? i see a couple wackos and some others who have differing opinions. 

i just personally believe this is very reactionary and unnecessary at this point in time. they made the call, it's fine, hopefully i can make the make up date. no need for such harsh character judgment. 

Not biting on calling anyone out specifically.

But yeah, while I understand and feel disappointment, I don't get some of the over-the-top reactions and callousness.

yeah, i suspected as much.

whenever something like this comes up, the Moral High Grounders climb up into their tower, watching, waiting, to pounce on any general idea, but no specific comment, so they can maintain innocence while still talking shit, clutching their superiority pearls so no one can see them. 

maybe not biting. but barking nonetheless. 

Is this for real? I had to do a double take and make sure I wasn't on the Morrissey message boards. Come on man you're better than that.

coreypjfan

You don't need to agree with everything the band says and represents, there will always be disagreements when it comes to politics(especially). For me personally, their beliefs and messages make their music that much better. This band has some of the most passionate fans I have ever seen, and they show gratitude for that in so many different ways. They care about your "average joe," even after all these years. If your'e saying things like "F*** Eddie" or "I'm done with this band", you truly do not belong in the 10c or care what this band has ever been about. Go listen to NickleBack. Hell, Dave Matthew's is touring. Break out the cargo shorts and drop your 10C membership. Good riddance.

MC185899

coreypjfan said:

You don't need to agree with everything the band says and represents, there will always be disagreements when it comes to politics(especially). For me personally, their beliefs and messages make their music that much better. This band has some of the most passionate fans I have ever seen, and they show gratitude for that in so many different ways. They care about your "average joe," even after all these years. If your'e saying things like "F*** Eddie" or "I'm done with this band", you truly do not belong in the 10c or care what this band has ever been about. Go listen to NickleBack. Hell, Dave Matthew's is touring. Break out the cargo shorts and drop your 10C membership. Good riddance.

I do blame Eddie for the divisive political nonsense.  Has anyone heard anything even remotely political from anyone else in the band?   Me neither. 

I appreciate bands/entertainers that realize we are inundated with politics all day and that music Is a nice escape from that world.  Because everyone knows we don’t hear enough about Donald Trump.  

So maybe I will go check out Dave Matthews.  Thanks for the guidance.  

HughFreakingDillon

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

hedonist said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

It’s sad with some of the responses on here. The band made the right call. Some of you need to have your heads examined. It’s a concert, they will make it up. People’s safety should be #1. What happened to basic human compassion?

Gone.  Some’s true colors are a lot...different...than what I thought. 

anyone in particular? i see a couple wackos and some others who have differing opinions. 

i just personally believe this is very reactionary and unnecessary at this point in time. they made the call, it's fine, hopefully i can make the make up date. no need for such harsh character judgment. 

Not biting on calling anyone out specifically.

But yeah, while I understand and feel disappointment, I don't get some of the over-the-top reactions and callousness.

yeah, i suspected as much.

whenever something like this comes up, the Moral High Grounders climb up into their tower, watching, waiting, to pounce on any general idea, but no specific comment, so they can maintain innocence while still talking shit, clutching their superiority pearls so no one can see them. 

maybe not biting. but barking nonetheless. 

I tried to answer nicely. Why offer up a dickish response?

Talk about character judgements. Hoo boy!

you offered up a sweeping judgment about peoples' character and get all in a tizzy when you get a rebuttal, and try to claim nice. 

i just get tired of, whenever something like this happens, it is inevitable that there are going to be a whole host of reactions.there are going to be those that are upset, those that are fine with it, those that lament about the cost, those that talk about how much it takes logistically for them to travel, those that are happy with and respect the band's decision. 

all of those are valid responses. what really irks me....is those that respond like you did, and honestly, often do. everyone else is selfish. everyone else is horrible. everyone else is wrong. maybe you don't give a shit about the show. maybe you are able to make other shows work. maybe your show is a local show so it matters not to you. but maybe, just maybe, think that someone else might have other circumstances, that, yes, on the surface, seem selfish, given the reasons for the postponement, but they are grieving. they've been waiting years for this show. maybe even a couple decades. so let them bitch. let them be disappointed without your judgment. their grieving will eventually pass and it will be relegated to page 32 of the porch. 

just let them be human. 

VDRFAN

As sad and difficult the decision was for the band to make, it was the right one.  As a Washington State resident, I totally get it as well.