Question for Republifans

JimmyV

Oh boy...

ecdanc

Genuine apologies for getting off topic. Happy to drop it. 

I’m not a big fan of Ed’s chatter because it’s too centrist. And I find his jokes about #metoo a little tone deaf. 

PJNB

jimjam1982

cp3iverson said:

jimjam1982 said:

Disclosure: Eddie could tell a story about taking a shit and I would cheer. 

Moral of the story: people can share whatever they want.

Mentioned that at Spectrum 2003

people cheered. 

Purchasing the boot. Done

cp3iverson

jimjam1982 said:

cp3iverson said:

jimjam1982 said:

Disclosure: Eddie could tell a story about taking a shit and I would cheer. 

Moral of the story: people can share whatever they want.

Mentioned that at Spectrum 2003

people cheered. 

Purchasing the boot. Done

My favorite 2003 show!

nicknyr15

PJNB said:

😂😂

mattsavard

ecdanc said:

PB11041 said:

pretty hard to be far right supporting open borders, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, among a million other things. 

Not at all. That's exactly what libertarianism is. 

Yes... annnnnnnd, NOT what the far Right is. 
Maybe your understanding of the Far Right is the root of your confusion  

pjhawks

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Veddernarian said:

Ellen Degeneres was hanging out with George Bush.  Both political opposites but respectful and friendly with each other.  

If I were friends with Ellen and she hanged out with a war criminal that should be tried at Hague, then i would question my friend Ellen and my friendship with her.

I try to have some standards in my life.

Also, stating ones opinions or worldview in a song =/= stating to be an expert. 

I have problems "looking the other way" or tuning out. That's why I don't listen to KISS - Take it off. No matter how good that riff is. because the lyrics are seeping iiiiiiiinnnnn

i would think everyone has a point of no return for actions by their friends.  i don't disparage or lose my friends if they support Trump but it surely makes me question their judgment on what is good and bad.  No problem with being Republican or Conservative but honestly I don't understand any education person supporting our current Potus in any way shape or form.

ecdanc

mattsavard said:

ecdanc said:

PB11041 said:

pretty hard to be far right supporting open borders, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, among a million other things. 

Not at all. That's exactly what libertarianism is. 

Yes... annnnnnnd, NOT what the far Right is. 
Maybe your understanding of the Far Right is the root of your confusion  

I promised to let this drop here. Happy to pick this up on PM if you like. 

mattsavard

ecdanc said:

PB11041 said:

I am not sure you know your left from your right or up from down.

Are you suggesting that Libertarians favor closed borders, harsh and overreaching prison sentences for meaningless victim-less crimes?

No, I'm suggesting that, strictly speaking, closed borders, harsh prison sentences, are not "Right" political views. They are views that have been linked to (some) right-wing people in the US, which has led to a widespread conflation of the two. 

lol oh lawd... this guy...

Please provide a list of "Right" wing candidates in the US who support reproductive rights, open borders, decriminalization of drugs and prostitution. 

EDIT: I see it's dropped. Thread lag. Probably for the best. 

ecdanc

mattsavard said:

ecdanc said:

PB11041 said:

I am not sure you know your left from your right or up from down.

Are you suggesting that Libertarians favor closed borders, harsh and overreaching prison sentences for meaningless victim-less crimes?

No, I'm suggesting that, strictly speaking, closed borders, harsh prison sentences, are not "Right" political views. They are views that have been linked to (some) right-wing people in the US, which has led to a widespread conflation of the two. 

lol oh lawd... this guy...

Please provide a list of "Right" wing candidates in the US who support reproductive rights, open borders, decriminalization of drugs and prostitution. 

Others here have asked me to drop this conversation. Happy to continue it elsewhere. 

blackhawks

pjhawks said:

i respect republicans and conservative views BUT i lose respect for anything that supports the current POTUS.  I have a very hard time not losing respect for anyone who gives even an ounce support to such a terrible human being and leader.  Sorry your conservative views are not more important to the world in general.  

that being said i tolerate Ed's rants even if i agree with them.  I'd prefer he not do it during a show but it's his platform not mine.

There lies the problem with a lot of society today.  If Trump cured cancer, invented perpetual motion, etc. it would be THE worst thing for people such as the above just because they don't 'like' him.  I didn't like some of every president but they all do good.  Sorry if you are too narrow minded to see it.  I would hope we as fans are able to put away those blue or red glasses and understand that having those blinders on is not healthy for growth.  Hence why I read Fox, BBC, Guardia, NPR, etc. for a variety of opinions and takes.  We should all be smarter than that.  I have friends of all thoughts/beliefs and we bust each other's balls and respect each other.  And I vote both sides of the aisle depending on where they stand and where we are as a country.   

But....I don't like being preached to be it PJ, Kid Rock, Uncle Ted, Bono......  I would like to have a few hours away from partisan BS and just enjoy being a fan of a band.  Apparently it is hard for some of these bands to understand that most/many are looking for some escape.

ecdanc

blackhawks said:

pjhawks said:

i respect republicans and conservative views BUT i lose respect for anything that supports the current POTUS.  I have a very hard time not losing respect for anyone who gives even an ounce support to such a terrible human being and leader.  Sorry your conservative views are not more important to the world in general.  

that being said i tolerate Ed's rants even if i agree with them.  I'd prefer he not do it during a show but it's his platform not mine.

There lies the problem with a lot of society today.  If Trump cured cancer, invented perpetual motion, etc. it would be THE worst thing for people such as the above just because they don't 'like' him.  I didn't like some of every president but they all do good.  Sorry if you are too narrow minded to see it.  I would hope we as fans are able to put away those blue or red glasses and understand that having those blinders on is not healthy for growth.  Hence why I read Fox, BBC, Guardia, NPR, etc. for a variety of opinions and takes.  We should all be smarter than that.  I have friends of all thoughts/beliefs and we bust each other's balls and respect each other.  And I vote both sides of the aisle depending on where they stand and where we are as a country.   

But....I don't like being preached to be it PJ, Kid Rock, Uncle Ted, Bono......  I would like to have a few hours away from partisan BS and just enjoy being a fan of a band.  Apparently it is hard for some of these bands to understand that most/many are looking for some escape.

Do you feel the same way when they talk about Steve Gleason?

JimmyV

I would happily reconsider my hatred of Trump if he were to cure cancer.

ecdanc

JimmyV said:

I would happily reconsider my hatred of Trump if he were to cure cancer.

Let’s see what he does with the cure first. 

JimmyV

ecdanc said:

JimmyV said:

I would happily reconsider my hatred of Trump if he were to cure cancer.

Let’s see what he does with the cure first. 

Fair point. 

RobZ

ecdanc said:

Veddernarian said:

Ellen Degeneres was hanging out with George Bush.  Both political opposites but respectful and friendly with each other.  I can totally have friends who believe opposite of me.  Keep the friendships, no problem.  I'm not 100% politically in-line with the band.  I respect their beliefs.  I prefer the music over the political messaging.  I like their music, even songs with political messages I don't agree with.  I can disconnect that.  I don't think actors and musicians are experts on world affairs, nor am I.  When I want to get informed, I like to turn to experts on both side of an argument and form my own conclusion.  When I go to a movie or a concert, I'm escaping for 2-3 hours.  So I rather not have my nose rubbed in it.   

See, I can't. If I were to stay friends with Trump supporters, my women friends, my friends of color, my queer friends would all wonder why I had friends who were making their lives markedly worse. 

Oh FFS!

pjhawks

blackhawks said:

pjhawks said:

i respect republicans and conservative views BUT i lose respect for anything that supports the current POTUS.  I have a very hard time not losing respect for anyone who gives even an ounce support to such a terrible human being and leader.  Sorry your conservative views are not more important to the world in general.  

that being said i tolerate Ed's rants even if i agree with them.  I'd prefer he not do it during a show but it's his platform not mine.

There lies the problem with a lot of society today.  If Trump cured cancer, invented perpetual motion, etc. it would be THE worst thing for people such as the above just because they don't 'like' him.  I didn't like some of every president but they all do good.  Sorry if you are too narrow minded to see it.  I would hope we as fans are able to put away those blue or red glasses and understand that having those blinders on is not healthy for growth.  Hence why I read Fox, BBC, Guardia, NPR, etc. for a variety of opinions and takes.  We should all be smarter than that.  I have friends of all thoughts/beliefs and we bust each other's balls and respect each other.  And I vote both sides of the aisle depending on where they stand and where we are as a country.   

But....I don't like being preached to be it PJ, Kid Rock, Uncle Ted, Bono......  I would like to have a few hours away from partisan BS and just enjoy being a fan of a band.  Apparently it is hard for some of these bands to understand that most/many are looking for some escape.

it's about THIS MAN not a republican or conservative view.  I respect republican and conservative views.

do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who support men who sexually assault women and brag about it?
do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who support men who belittle wounded war veterans who fought and were injured serving this country?
do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who who support people who hire people and companies to do work then refuse to pay them their earned and contractually agreed upon prices?
do you not lose at least a little respect for people who support men who bully and belittle people on a daily basis?
do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who support men who openly admit their daughter is hot and would date them if they could?
do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who support men who steal from a charity?
do you not lose at least a little bit of respect for people who support men who lie on a daily basis about pretty much everything?

do you honestly answer NO to the questions above?

i'm not being closed-minded. i'm being sane and rational.

Spiritual_Chaos

RobZ said:

ecdanc said:

Veddernarian said:

Ellen Degeneres was hanging out with George Bush.  Both political opposites but respectful and friendly with each other.  I can totally have friends who believe opposite of me.  Keep the friendships, no problem.  I'm not 100% politically in-line with the band.  I respect their beliefs.  I prefer the music over the political messaging.  I like their music, even songs with political messages I don't agree with.  I can disconnect that.  I don't think actors and musicians are experts on world affairs, nor am I.  When I want to get informed, I like to turn to experts on both side of an argument and form my own conclusion.  When I go to a movie or a concert, I'm escaping for 2-3 hours.  So I rather not have my nose rubbed in it.   

See, I can't. If I were to stay friends with Trump supporters, my women friends, my friends of color, my queer friends would all wonder why I had friends who were making their lives markedly worse. 

Oh FFS!

?

Spiritual_Chaos

blackhawks said:

pjhawks said:

i respect republicans and conservative views BUT i lose respect for anything that supports the current POTUS.  I have a very hard time not losing respect for anyone who gives even an ounce support to such a terrible human being and leader.  Sorry your conservative views are not more important to the world in general.  

that being said i tolerate Ed's rants even if i agree with them.  I'd prefer he not do it during a show but it's his platform not mine.

There lies the problem with a lot of society today.  If Trump cured cancer, invented perpetual motion, etc. it would be THE worst thing for people such as the above just because they don't 'like' him.  I didn't like some of every president but they all do good.  Sorry if you are too narrow minded to see it.  I would hope we as fans are able to put away those blue or red glasses and understand that having those blinders on is not healthy for growth.  Hence why I read Fox, BBC, Guardia, NPR, etc. for a variety of opinions and takes.  We should all be smarter than that.  I have friends of all thoughts/beliefs and we bust each other's balls and respect each other.  And I vote both sides of the aisle depending on where they stand and where we are as a country.   

But....I don't like being preached to be it PJ, Kid Rock, Uncle Ted, Bono......  I would like to have a few hours away from partisan BS and just enjoy being a fan of a band.  Apparently it is hard for some of these bands to understand that most/many are looking for some escape.

If you are reading a variety of news sources and you reach the conclusion that people are too narrowminded to embrace Trump -- maybe you are doing your reading wrong(?).