Question for Republifans

mace1229

Why would anyone find it strange that people can be fans of someone they don’t agree with? Remember about a year ago when Ellen was see with GW Bush and all her celebrity friends and followers lashed out at her for being seen with him?  I thought that was strange telling her who to be friends with.

 Isn’t Denis Rodman a Trump supporter?
i love their music, but I also would never boo at a concert. The number of people who actually yell out is very small.
Also, the number of songs that are directly anti-republican are very small too. We aren’t against old people behind counters or using your rearview mirror. Even songs like Insignificance I don’t view as anti republican, because every president since I’ve been alive has dropped bombs and killed innocent.  The vast majority of songs aren’t against Republicans. And the if they are, if it has a good sound to it I’ll enjoy it anyway.

tusevun

pjhawks said:

i respect republicans and conservative views BUT i lose respect for anything that supports the current POTUS.  I have a very hard time not losing respect for anyone who gives even an ounce support to such a terrible human being and leader.  Sorry your conservative views are not more important to the world in general.  

that being said i tolerate Ed's rants even if i agree with them.  I'd prefer he not do it during a show but it's his platform not mine.

This is me exactly.

RS65573

My opinion is Pearl Jam lives a very comfortable life in imagination land with most of California where funds are not limited and doing the right thing is a decision they can make.
Most of us live in a world that is not a 0 sum game. I hate Trump, hes a bafoon, but I also spent my entire life saving and watching people propose to give away reserve funds, or change a system without successful math, is not too bright.
I hope Bloomberg saves us from this madness.

RS65573

And I would NEVER boo, or throw anything at my heros, jesus.

JimmyV

California?

nicknyr15

The only thing I want to add here, is to commend everyone here. I honestly thought this thread would turn into a shit show And get locked fast. Nice job. 

RS65573

I guess I dont mean California in general, I mean Kadashia.

Noload

Looks like a good talk for AMT page.

Hankj25

pjl44 said:

Hankj25 said:

I’m a democrat. I really struggle when I see celebrities backing the current tangerine regime.  I never look at them the same. I’d struggle to give my money to a performer who I knew was outwardly supporting policies that I find despicable. 

As a Cubs fan, I’ve even found myself conflicted because of the ownership. Thankfully the Ricketts family has one Democrat I can support. The rest can pi$$ off. 

Brings up an interesting question. If you were at a concert and the singer gave a pro-Trump speech between songs, what would you do? Boo? Walk out? Bite your lip and wait until it was over? Let's say it was one time and like 30-60 seconds.

I probably wouldn’t find myself at a show with a republican performing. But if I did, and I realized it after they started to rant, I’d leave.  

If you want to talk fiscal policy with me as a Republican, I will listen. I’m open to some different thinking there. But that’s not the type of republican rant you will hear by the likes of Kid Rock.  

But once you start humping your AR-15, ranting about controlling women’s reproductive rights or using religion as some sort of political compass, get me the f out of there. 

mattsavard

Libertarian here (Fiscal conservative, socially liberal) who generally thinks BOTH the far left and right are mental. Both tend to be closed minded, use hyperbole and straw men to attack "the other team", and the rest of the country has to suffer as a result.

Ed and most other celebrities aren't forced to live in the real world, and thus preach in a manner disconnected with reality, all while living a life protected by armed security (while preaching against guns), and flying in private jets and riding in gas guzzling busses (while preaching about global warming).

They're hypocrites, but I don't let it impact my enjoyment of the music. I choose to walk away from any preachy fans, and at most shows Ed's ranting is kept pretty low-key. If Ed does get on a roll, it's always a nice time to tune him out, and go grab a beer and piss break.   

IMO everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting someone else (including speaking their mind), and government interference (fiscally & legislatively) should be kept to a bare minimum. Those who think healthcare and college education should be provided for those who can't afford it, nobody's stopping you from voluntarily setting aside a chunk of your salary to help make that happen. No need for a federal mandate. 

huntersthompson

iwasatpj20 said:

For disclosure, I'm a libertarian.

I'm going to enjoy the music no matter what.  The fellow fans and live music make the shows interesting, not the political discussion.  Hopefully we all have a good time at the shows.

For disclosure, I'm a librarian......

ecdanc

mattsavard said:

Libertarian here (Fiscal conservative, socially liberal) who generally thinks BOTH the far left and right are mental. Both tend to be closed minded, use hyperbole and straw men to attack "the other team", and the rest of the country has to suffer as a result.

Ed and most other celebrities aren't forced to live in the real world, and thus preach in a manner disconnected with reality, all while living a life protected by armed security (while preaching against guns), and flying in private jets and riding in gas guzzling busses (while preaching about global warming).

They're hypocrites, but I don't let it impact my enjoyment of the music. I choose to walk away from any preachy fans, and at most shows Ed's ranting is kept pretty low-key. If Ed does get on a roll, it's always a nice time to tune him out, and go grab a beer and piss break.   

IMO everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting someone else (including speaking their mind), and government interference (fiscally & legislatively) should be kept to a bare minimum. Those who think healthcare and college education should be provided for those who can't afford it, nobody's stopping you from voluntarily setting aside a chunk of your salary to help make that happen. No need for a federal mandate. 

If you're a libertarian and you're not on the far right, you're doing it wrong. 

Spiritual_Chaos

huntersthompson said:

iwasatpj20 said:

For disclosure, I'm a libertarian.

I'm going to enjoy the music no matter what.  The fellow fans and live music make the shows interesting, not the political discussion.  Hopefully we all have a good time at the shows.

For disclosure, I'm a librarian......

https://youtu.be/I--c2bDksLM

riley540

I’ve taken a hand full of the online political tests and I usually pop out as libertarian. I don’t really care what everyone does. And I like to be in control of my finances. 

Obviously everyone has opinions. I’m in “film school” and it’s extremely liberal. Never had bothered me at all. Some of my best friends are far left. A few of my best friends are trump mega fans. I just don’t care to much 

ecdanc

riley540 said:

I’ve taken a hand full of the online political tests and I usually pop out as libertarian. I don’t really care what everyone does. And I like to be in control of my finances. 

Obviously everyone has opinions. I’m in “film school” and it’s extremely liberal. Never had bothered me at all. Some of my best friends are far left. A few of my best friends are trump mega fans. I just don’t care to much 

Why is "film school" in quotes?

Veddernarian

Ellen Degeneres was hanging out with George Bush.  Both political opposites but respectful and friendly with each other.  I can totally have friends who believe opposite of me.  Keep the friendships, no problem.  I'm not 100% politically in-line with the band.  I respect their beliefs.  I prefer the music over the political messaging.  I like their music, even songs with political messages I don't agree with.  I can disconnect that.  I don't think actors and musicians are experts on world affairs, nor am I.  When I want to get informed, I like to turn to experts on both side of an argument and form my own conclusion.  When I go to a movie or a concert, I'm escaping for 2-3 hours.  So I rather not have my nose rubbed in it.   

ecdanc

Veddernarian said:

Ellen Degeneres was hanging out with George Bush.  Both political opposites but respectful and friendly with each other.  I can totally have friends who believe opposite of me.  Keep the friendships, no problem.  I'm not 100% politically in-line with the band.  I respect their beliefs.  I prefer the music over the political messaging.  I like their music, even songs with political messages I don't agree with.  I can disconnect that.  I don't think actors and musicians are experts on world affairs, nor am I.  When I want to get informed, I like to turn to experts on both side of an argument and form my own conclusion.  When I go to a movie or a concert, I'm escaping for 2-3 hours.  So I rather not have my nose rubbed in it.   

See, I can't. If I were to stay friends with Trump supporters, my women friends, my friends of color, my queer friends would all wonder why I had friends who were making their lives markedly worse. 

PB11041

ecdanc said:

mattsavard said:

Libertarian here (Fiscal conservative, socially liberal) who generally thinks BOTH the far left and right are mental. Both tend to be closed minded, use hyperbole and straw men to attack "the other team", and the rest of the country has to suffer as a result.

Ed and most other celebrities aren't forced to live in the real world, and thus preach in a manner disconnected with reality, all while living a life protected by armed security (while preaching against guns), and flying in private jets and riding in gas guzzling busses (while preaching about global warming).

They're hypocrites, but I don't let it impact my enjoyment of the music. I choose to walk away from any preachy fans, and at most shows Ed's ranting is kept pretty low-key. If Ed does get on a roll, it's always a nice time to tune him out, and go grab a beer and piss break.   

IMO everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting someone else (including speaking their mind), and government interference (fiscally & legislatively) should be kept to a bare minimum. Those who think healthcare and college education should be provided for those who can't afford it, nobody's stopping you from voluntarily setting aside a chunk of your salary to help make that happen. No need for a federal mandate. 

If you're a libertarian and you're not on the far right, you're doing it wrong. 

pretty hard to be far right supporting open borders, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, among a million other things. 

mattsavard

ecdanc said:

mattsavard said:

Libertarian here (Fiscal conservative, socially liberal) who generally thinks BOTH the far left and right are mental. Both tend to be closed minded, use hyperbole and straw men to attack "the other team", and the rest of the country has to suffer as a result.

If you're a libertarian and you're not on the far right, you're doing it wrong. 

Incorrect.

You might want to brush up on what libertarians stand for.... many social policies of the right (immigration, abortion, Decriminalizing drugs and prostitution, etc) are way out of sync with the far right. 

The far right leans on the legislation of morality far too much, often at the detriment of human rights of others.
The far left relies upon theft by taxation of unwilling citizens to provide services via inherently inefficient government, (vs a superior free market system). 

ecdanc

PB11041 said:

ecdanc said:

mattsavard said:

Libertarian here (Fiscal conservative, socially liberal) who generally thinks BOTH the far left and right are mental. Both tend to be closed minded, use hyperbole and straw men to attack "the other team", and the rest of the country has to suffer as a result.

Ed and most other celebrities aren't forced to live in the real world, and thus preach in a manner disconnected with reality, all while living a life protected by armed security (while preaching against guns), and flying in private jets and riding in gas guzzling busses (while preaching about global warming).

They're hypocrites, but I don't let it impact my enjoyment of the music. I choose to walk away from any preachy fans, and at most shows Ed's ranting is kept pretty low-key. If Ed does get on a roll, it's always a nice time to tune him out, and go grab a beer and piss break.   

IMO everyone should be able to do whatever they want as long as it's not hurting someone else (including speaking their mind), and government interference (fiscally & legislatively) should be kept to a bare minimum. Those who think healthcare and college education should be provided for those who can't afford it, nobody's stopping you from voluntarily setting aside a chunk of your salary to help make that happen. No need for a federal mandate. 

If you're a libertarian and you're not on the far right, you're doing it wrong. 

pretty hard to be far right supporting open borders, drug legalization, criminal justice reform, among a million other things. 

Not at all. That's exactly what libertarianism is.