CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

bootlegger10

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

I get that 1 in 30. But that doesn’t matter to me. That’s like saying bazookas are the  main gun problem because 100% of the people shot with a bazooka die, but only 30% of those shot with a hand gun die. So guns aren’t the problem, bazookas are.

If you catch corona you have a higher likelihood of dying. But still more people got the flu and more people died from it. In my book that makes it more deadly. 

Coronavirus is new.  Needs time to spread.  

mace1229

bootlegger10 said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

I get that 1 in 30. But that doesn’t matter to me. That’s like saying bazookas are the  main gun problem because 100% of the people shot with a bazooka die, but only 30% of those shot with a hand gun die. So guns aren’t the problem, bazookas are.

If you catch corona you have a higher likelihood of dying. But still more people got the flu and more people died from it. In my book that makes it more deadly. 

Coronavirus is new.  Needs time to spread.  

100% true. Maybe in the future it will dwarf the flu. But it doesn’t explain the behavior we are observing right now.

Weston1283

Well shit

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2879665-report-nba-tells-teams-to-prepare-to-play-without-fans-in-coronavirus-memo?fbclid=IwAR0-o85fnADSQmTAJMCoTz0jxBt6T_1dqeqXeFzF6yEbIxXyjfymXFNNuiw

Saltzy23

Weston1283 said:

Well shit

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2879665-report-nba-tells-teams-to-prepare-to-play-without-fans-in-coronavirus-memo?fbclid=IwAR0-o85fnADSQmTAJMCoTz0jxBt6T_1dqeqXeFzF6yEbIxXyjfymXFNNuiw

Well, fuck.

I guess every player, ref, and coach is gonna be tested on the way in and out of every game too.

The world is losing its goddamn mind.

Manu117

cp3iverson said:

Someone mentioned insurance earlier and that’s proving to be true.  

Yeah that was me. At the end of the day, money makes the world go round (why do you think flights haven't been grounded?).

That said, most of the show cancellations I've seen so far are Europe/Japan/Hawaii. I think how things progress in the next week will be a big factor. The Canadian dates might happen if the infection rates there are still low but the US is up in the air if things get worse.  

SS49057

Interesting and relevant Hollywood Reporter article re: Coronavirus potential impact on Coachella and festival season / live music industry:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/coronavirus-could-affect-coachella-music-festivals-1282908 

cloudsnmars

A decent article with some common sense... 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured

what dreams

Manu117 said:

cp3iverson said:

Someone mentioned insurance earlier and that’s proving to be true.  

Yeah that was me. At the end of the day, money makes the world go round (why do you think flights haven't been grounded?).

That said, most of the show cancellations I've seen so far are Europe/Japan/Hawaii. I think how things progress in the next week will be a big factor. The Canadian dates might happen if the infection rates there are still low but the US is up in the air if things get worse.  

Wait, I'm confused by the wording of this tweet -- why would an artist cancel a show if the insurance will NOT cover the cancellation? Somebody explain this to me. It would seem you would only cancel because you have coverage. What am I missing?

gotthebottle

It won't be the artist doing the cancelling... the local authority be it city/ county will be the one to call it off. My BF lives in Coachella Valley in LaQuinta and the loss of revenue to the locals wil be devastating (2 weekends of Coachella + Stagecoach). Sad... usually the festival season income carries them through low tourist desert summers. 

mace1229

what dreams said:

Manu117 said:

cp3iverson said:

Someone mentioned insurance earlier and that’s proving to be true.  

Yeah that was me. At the end of the day, money makes the world go round (why do you think flights haven't been grounded?).

That said, most of the show cancellations I've seen so far are Europe/Japan/Hawaii. I think how things progress in the next week will be a big factor. The Canadian dates might happen if the infection rates there are still low but the US is up in the air if things get worse.  

Wait, I'm confused by the wording of this tweet -- why would an artist cancel a show if the insurance will NOT cover the cancellation? Somebody explain this to me. It would seem you would only cancel because you have coverage. What am I missing?

My guess is there is a window where if they cancel now they recoup some losses just because it’s far enough out. But cancel last minute due to corona they’re out everything.
But doesn’t seem right they can add that now.
Sort of like if I cancel now I’m only out flights. If I cancel last minute I’m out that plus my Airbnb, dog boarding, prepaid airport parking, and more.

danofun

"Darkness comes in waves. Tell me, why invite it to stay?"

This thread is a sad song and "I'm never going back again."

gotthebottle

DH77340 said:

"Darkness comes in waves. Tell me, why invite it to stay?"

This thread is a sad song and "I'm never going back again."

Yes... sad.... but why put your head in the sand and pretend this isn't happening? Probability of postponing shows goes up especially since there seems to be no adult in charge in this country. 

Vedd Hedd

SXSW has been cancelled.

Vedd Hedd

PJNB said:

For those reading the headline from Dick Pound and the shock that would be canceling the summer Olympics here is the latest update from the president of the IOC. 

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/summer/thomas-bach-ioc-president-tokyo-olympics-1.5485283


"Neither the word cancellation nor the word postponement was even mentioned"

Asked how he could be so confident the July 24-Aug. 9 Olympics will go ahead as scheduled, Bach replied: "Because we talk to the experts."

"We are a sports organization and we follow the advice of the World Health Organization," Bach said, referring to the United Nations agency based around 60 kilometres away in Geneva.

Keep in mind, they want to sell tickets. They could always cancel later. But they get your money now, and earn interest on it, until they have to refund it (without interest) or reschedule. 

So they will say whatever they need to in order to keep business going. 

Heck, they could even KNOW they are going to cancel, and might want to continue to sell tickets to make money before they then cancel. 

Vedd Hedd

given2fly23 said:

EXCLUSIVE: The 2020 Ultra Music Festival will be postponed — possibly for a full year, the Miami Herald has learned. That move would effectively cancel this year’s edition of Miami’s marquee electronic dance music event. https://hrld.us/2x5ZQ4k

Rememeber a few days ago when they said "everything is on!"?
 And now this.

davidos

I think if the NBA cancels fans then we are toast....

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-reportedly-sent-memo-to-teams-indicating-they-should-prepare-to-possibly-play-games-in-empty-arenas/

DM282158

cloudsnmars said:

A decent article with some common sense... 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured

Great article. Thank you for posting!

KN219077

I think at some point it won’t be the band’s decision either way. It will be arena management or cities making the decision 

mattsavard

Sea said:

Second warning on this thread. Please keep the discussion civil or this thread will be closed. No more name calling.
Please see the Posting Guidelines.

https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines

Thank you

Please don't close a good thread because of a bad apple or two 

what dreams

Anybody else seen their retirement savings tank in the last three weeks? I'm thinking about staying home just because I'm having an even harder time financially justifying my week long vacay to Denver to see a rock band when I've just lost a ton of my cushion. 

No PMs please. If I don't go, my ticket is already designated :-).