CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

myoung321

whitepants said:

MF117973 said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

link93 said:

The way I look at it is if you are under 50 you probably don't have much to worry about. 50 and over specifically 70 and over it's a different story.

50 or younger is the majority of the fan base.  Make a statement that if you have existing conditions consider not attending, make sure people understand possible risks, etc.  Leave the decision making of whether to attend or not up to the fans. Offer refunds or encourage using the fan to fan to sell the tickets if risk outweighs reward.  Do the shows, take precautions, go about life. That's the way I see it anyway at this point. If this gets way out of hand with case severity,deaths, things would of course change. 

Not necessarily. There are many here who are around the same age as the band - mid 50's.

Raises hand.

Hey! ... ::hand up:: 

gotthebottle

Best case scenario: Few weeks of shows postponed, maybe until end of March ...wait and see attititude on the April shows?

myoung321

I'm guessing there are a few "Who blinks first" going on...   Who's responsible for the financial aspects of delays or cancellations? Venues, Promotors, Bands??  ... Since most of the shows are at NBA arenas I'd keep an eye on the NBA. So far, games as normal. 

PJNB

gotthebottle said:

Best case scenario: Few weeks of shows postponed, maybe until end of March ...wait and see attititude on the April shows?

Why would you think they cancel the Canadian dates?

PJNB

myoung321 said:

I'm guessing there are a few "Who blinks first" going on...   Who's responsible for the financial aspects of delays or cancellations? Venues, Promotors, Bands??  ... Since most of the shows are at NBA arenas I'd keep an eye on the NBA. So far, games as normal. 

San Jose Sharks and SAP Center are not budging.They are going ahead with 3 weekend events. 

RockMama

There are plenty of us that are the same age as Boom. And we have even older family members we will be going home to. I would feel badly if I brought the virus into my very rural community after traveling to shows 106 to109. On the other hand, I selfishly want to see Pearl Jam and listen to their new music.  What a situation! The next week or two will hopefully give us more insight. Let us hope the leaders of our country tell us some truth.

MD190661

PJNB said:

myoung321 said:

I'm guessing there are a few "Who blinks first" going on...   Who's responsible for the financial aspects of delays or cancellations? Venues, Promotors, Bands??  ... Since most of the shows are at NBA arenas I'd keep an eye on the NBA. So far, games as normal. 

San Jose Sharks and SAP Center are not budging.They are going ahead with 3 weekend events. 

Kiss is playing the Oracle in Oakland tonight. I don't believe that has been cancelled. 

GlowGirl

RockMama said:

There are plenty of us that are the same age as Boom. And we have even older family members we will be going home to. I would feel badly if I brought the virus into my very rural community after traveling to shows 106 to109. On the other hand, I selfishly want to see Pearl Jam and listen to their new music.  What a situation! The next week or two will hopefully give us more insight. Let us hope the leaders of our country tell us some truth.

Yes. I had plans to visit my parents after the Baltimore show since they live in Maryland. However, I changed my plans to visit them before the show since I don't want to see them after being in a large crowd. They are both in their mid to late 70s. I would feel terrible if I exposed them to something. I may even wait to visit them until after all of this settles down.

F Me In The Brain

MD190661 said:

PJNB said:

myoung321 said:

I'm guessing there are a few "Who blinks first" going on...   Who's responsible for the financial aspects of delays or cancellations? Venues, Promotors, Bands??  ... Since most of the shows are at NBA arenas I'd keep an eye on the NBA. So far, games as normal. 

San Jose Sharks and SAP Center are not budging.They are going ahead with 3 weekend events. 

Kiss is playing the Oracle in Oakland tonight. I don't believe that has been cancelled. 

They are old as fuck, good for them for not feeding the frenzy.

myoung321

F Me In The Brain said:

MD190661 said:

PJNB said:

myoung321 said:

I'm guessing there are a few "Who blinks first" going on...   Who's responsible for the financial aspects of delays or cancellations? Venues, Promotors, Bands??  ... Since most of the shows are at NBA arenas I'd keep an eye on the NBA. So far, games as normal. 

San Jose Sharks and SAP Center are not budging.They are going ahead with 3 weekend events. 

Kiss is playing the Oracle in Oakland tonight. I don't believe that has been cancelled. 

They are old as fuck, good for them for not feeding the frenzy.

well damn.... The CDC just said "old fucks" should stay home..haha

New CDC guidance says older adults should 'stay at home as much as possible' due to coronavirus -- https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/health/coronavirus-older-people-social-distancing/index.html

F Me In The Brain

Exactly!

washed in black

MF117973 said:

iOnlyownMymind said:

link93 said:

The way I look at it is if you are under 50 you probably don't have much to worry about. 50 and over specifically 70 and over it's a different story.

50 or younger is the majority of the fan base.  Make a statement that if you have existing conditions consider not attending, make sure people understand possible risks, etc.  Leave the decision making of whether to attend or not up to the fans. Offer refunds or encourage using the fan to fan to sell the tickets if risk outweighs reward.  Do the shows, take precautions, go about life. That's the way I see it anyway at this point. If this gets way out of hand with case severity,deaths, things would of course change. 

Not necessarily. There are many here who are around the same age as the band - mid 50's.

Yup. I'm early 50's with some fairly minor underlying health issues. Husband is pushing 60. Hoping to hit our 50th show at MSG (if we can somehow get into the Apollo) Flying to Toronto for the kickoff - hoping it actually happens.

mace1229

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

I get that 1 in 30. But that doesn’t matter to me. That’s like saying bazookas are the  main gun problem because 100% of the people shot with a bazooka die, but only 30% of those shot with a hand gun die. So guns aren’t the problem, bazookas are.

If you catch corona you have a higher likelihood of dying. But still more people got the flu and more people died from it. In my book that makes it more deadly. 

gotthebottle

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Best case scenario: Few weeks of shows postponed, maybe until end of March ...wait and see attititude on the April shows?

Why would you think they cancel the Canadian dates?

Because they are coming up first and many people from US will be traveling there. 

washed in black

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

I get that 1 in 30. But that doesn’t matter to me. That’s like saying bazookas are the  main gun problem because 100% of the people shot with a bazooka die, but only 30% of those shot with a hand gun die. So guns aren’t the problem, bazookas are.

If you catch corona you have a higher likelihood of dying. But still more people got the flu and more people died from it. In my book that makes it more deadly. 

1 in 30 should matter to you. Say you get infected but are healthy and fight it off with no ill effects. But let's also say you don't know you're contagious for two weeks and infect 100 more people. The odds are that a certain percentage of those 100 people may have underlying conditions, are elderly or will come into close contact with immuno suppressed people or elderly parents and pass it on. It's like that old shampoo commercial - she told two friends and so on and so on and so on.... Unfortunately we have no way of knowing who we might pass it on to and who they might pass it on to and so on....

RockMama

If old fucks stay home, Trump won't be able to play golf. He'll be talking trash about the CDC. 

cp3iverson

Someone mentioned insurance earlier and that’s proving to be true.  

RatherStarved

gotthebottle said:

PJNB said:

gotthebottle said:

Best case scenario: Few weeks of shows postponed, maybe until end of March ...wait and see attititude on the April shows?

Why would you think they cancel the Canadian dates?

Because they are coming up first and many people from US will be traveling there. 

Because of the Corona Virus. 

CO278952

This thread seems more toxic than the rona. 

MD190661

washed in black said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

I get that 1 in 30. But that doesn’t matter to me. That’s like saying bazookas are the  main gun problem because 100% of the people shot with a bazooka die, but only 30% of those shot with a hand gun die. So guns aren’t the problem, bazookas are.

If you catch corona you have a higher likelihood of dying. But still more people got the flu and more people died from it. In my book that makes it more deadly. 

1 in 30 should matter to you. Say you get infected but are healthy and fight it off with no ill effects. But let's also say you don't know you're contagious for two weeks and infect 100 more people. The odds are that a certain percentage of those 100 people may have underlying conditions, are elderly or will come into close contact with immuno suppressed people or elderly parents and pass it on. It's like that old shampoo commercial - she told two friends and so on and so on and so on.... Unfortunately we have no way of knowing who we might pass it on to and who they might pass it on to and so on....

And this is why they will cancel the tour. And schools will close and you'll work from home and stores will only be open limited hours, etc. Sucks, but our lives will be disrupted greatly and very soon.