CoVid19 Virus : Impact on PJ Spring & Summer Tours

JPPJ84

I believe in miracles 🤞🏻

nicknyr15

WWBSD?

lastexit78

jeffbr said:

lastexit78 said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

Exactly, raiding stores is only making things worse. Not sure how things are going to "go sideways" but whatever. I guess if enough people buy out Costco in a panic that would constitute sideways? I can't even buy toilet paper for my family right now. It's a joke, sorry to offend some but this virus has certainly separated the logical people (what few are left) from the doomsdayer's and other Y2K bunker dwellers. If you feel the threat is real then stay home, but spreading a bunch of fear and buying out your local grocery stores is making the situation worse for everyone. 

Congrats. That's some kind of bullshit. To tell people to ignore their local health departments, scientists and healthcare experts is idiotic. Our president is currently doing that, but I hoped that others weren't as vacuous. Perhaps it is because I'm at ground zero, and most of the dismissal I'm seeing seems to be coming from those who aren't affected yet. But I'll chose to follow guidance from local agencies versus random, unaffected fans going off hunches and telling people that if they follow local health authorities they're doomsdayers and Y2K bunker dwellers. Look, if someone errs on the side of caution, then worst-case they've wasted time or have done things inefficiently. If they err on the side of disregard, the consequences could end up being much worse. I'm in no panic at all, but am frustrated by people acting like climate change deniers and following the guidance of an anti-science, go with the gut president. 51 confirmed cases and 10 deaths in my county. This isn't the flu. I have the flu vaccine. But there is no COVID-19 vaccine nor is there a COVID-19 treatment available. And the mortality rate is 20 - 30 times higher than influenza. Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, DocuSign, Google and other large companies here telling workers to work remotely. We just this week started testing for this locally, so we have barely seen the tip of the iceberg at this point. If it isn't in your area, don't worry about it, I guess. But it is in mine, and I'll follow professional guidance on this. 

I'm not saying don't take precautions. But a lot of people are in panic mode. When did local health experts say buy every canned good and roll of toilet paper you can get your hands on? I must have missed that. That kind of behavior is the very definition of panic and what I was referring to. It's a serious situation, but the ramifications of shutting down thousands of schools, sending millions home from work and people raiding their local stores is pretty serious as well. If enough people behave in this manner it probably triggers a world recession, which in turn leaves millions dead who would have otherwise been perfectly healthy. Most workers can't work remotely and if they lose their jobs because of a panic driven recession lose their health care and therefore potentially die from some other much more likely disease. This scenario scares me a lot worse than contracting COVID-19 but to each his own.

Sarava

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

I think I saw that someone who gets the flu has a 1 in 800 chance of dying? The coronavirus thus far, as far as we know is somewhere in the 1 in 30 to 1 in 40 people die range. That makes it sound about 20x more lethal than the standard flu that we all know and have probably had at some point.

Now there's obvious variables...did a lot more people get coronavirus than we know, thus the mortality rate is lower than is being reported? Maybe...hopefully. It's odd how some countries have very high death rates (China, Iran, Italy), while South Korea has a less than 1% death rate the last I heard. That might be explained by South Korea testing massive amounts of people, thus possibly flagging people with the virus who aren't getting all that sick. Where maybe the other countries are only testing people in bad shape already? Who knows.

Now this new virus its just starting to spread everywhere. Obviously we hope it doesn't spread as much as the flu, but this is an unknown as you said.

I do like one thing about the people panicking. You can't find sanitizing wipes or hand sanitizers anywhere near where I live. But if people are using these items, then good. That is the type of behavior that can get us past thing whole thing.

But in the end. I'm not an expert. I'm just spewing crap I've read or seen. People should get their advice from doctors, not people like you or I.

given2fly23

Europe is 4 months away.  I'm less worried about Europe than I am about the US, especially California.  To be clear, I have tickets to 8 US shows and 3 EU shows and even if I didn't I would never root for shows to be canceled.

THEBIBLEISTEN

Relax people

bone

I think most of the actions are more so that the spread needs to be managed until we learn enough to fight it.  If no precautions are taken and 20 million people caught this virus in the next six months, current mortality rate could yield more than a half million people dead. 

I’m not personally afraid for it, but if the spread got out of control this could be a big deal.  Reality is though it’s too tough to gauge yet as the ones being diagnosed so far are likely the worse cases of it.

Live your life but it doesn’t hurt to take a few precautions.

 

gotthebottle

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Everything was just canceled 

that isn't funny

given2fly23

gotthebottle said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Everything was just canceled 

that isn't funny

+1

myoung321

mace1229 said:

Sarava said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

The CDC and doctors have been telling the population to prepare for *possible* severe normal everyday life changes. If you or others want to ignore their advice, then do that. But other people are probably better off listening to doctors and experts over some random dude on the internet who isn't qualified to give advice about these things.

Okay, so explain to me why we don't do the same thing every year when we know 100% for sure 20 million people will get the flu and 20,000 will die from it?
I've asked several times and haven't seen one answer.

My answer is is because this is something new. People freak out when it is new. We are used to the flu, so it doesn't concern us.  You don't have to be an expert to know that 20 million is a bigger number.

 You're right, Facts do mater.. 

Yearly "Flu" comes from mostly known Influenza bugs that have been circulating in humans for years or new variants of those known viruses. COVID-19 is new to humans. 

Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu

COVID-19: Caused by one virus, the novel 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.

Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses. 

Transmission

While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways, there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.

Source : https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu

BagCzech

2 events that i was planning on going to for work, 1 in boston next week, and another in vegas later this month were both cancelled/postponed. i'm also scheduled to go to SXSW next friday. 

Saltzy23

My thing is that if this becomes a global pandemic that can't be stopped is that they might as well just let these events go on as planned.

If we're all gonna get sick and die anyway, that what difference does it make if it happens at home under the sheets or rocking out to PJ?

Fuck it, if we're all going out let's go out partying our asses off!

THEBIBLEISTEN

gotthebottle said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Everything was just canceled 

that isn't funny

At the local zoo here. Crazy. Can animals get this?

bbiggs

I do business with a lot of physicians.  I have asked opinions of 4 of them in the last couple of days.  They all echo the same thing.

1. We don’t know enough about this virus yet. 

2.  Because we don’t know enough, taking precautions is wise.
3.  Live your life, but if you don’t have to travel or be in mass gatherings, try to avoid it until more is known.

These are comments from highly skilled physicians that are more qualified than most of us who post here (myself included).  For those on extreme ends of the spectrum (i.e. the virus is a nothingburger or the world is ending), feel free to remain there, but I’ll be somewhere in the middle until medical professionals state otherwise. Let’s hope the shows are uninterrupted and everyone remains healthy and safe. ✌🏻 

gotthebottle

Would have been nice if 80% of the CDC hadn't been cut by you -know-who and that they were prepared for this.

jeffbr

lastexit78 said:

jeffbr said:

lastexit78 said:

mace1229 said:

MD190661 said:

I am not one to panic, but I have been stocking up on things like tp, rice, beans, pasta, canned sauces, frozen veggies (which we never buy), vitamins, advil and a few other things. Not huge amounts, but enough in case things go sideways for a few weeks. Basically every day this week I've made a run for some items. Nothing we won't use or eat, but if we are quarantined or things get bad, I want to be at least a bit prepared. I'm in CA and I'm guessing schools will be closed by the end of the month and people won't be commuting to work, so a panic mindset will set in and I want to be a bit ahead of it. I hope I'm wrong, of course. I also hope we all get to see PJ this spring.

This is what I don't get. Why? I guarantee you hundreds, probably thousands of kids in California have the flu right now and are sitting in class spreading it. If these measures aren't an over reaction for coronavirus because 1 person has now died and a few dozen are infected, then why not do it for the flu too?
Shutting down schools and public events seems very extreme at this point. 
I would imagine who thinks this is worth shutting down a school now probably doesn't leave their bubble-house during the months of November-April to be safe.

Exactly, raiding stores is only making things worse. Not sure how things are going to "go sideways" but whatever. I guess if enough people buy out Costco in a panic that would constitute sideways? I can't even buy toilet paper for my family right now. It's a joke, sorry to offend some but this virus has certainly separated the logical people (what few are left) from the doomsdayer's and other Y2K bunker dwellers. If you feel the threat is real then stay home, but spreading a bunch of fear and buying out your local grocery stores is making the situation worse for everyone. 

Congrats. That's some kind of bullshit. To tell people to ignore their local health departments, scientists and healthcare experts is idiotic. Our president is currently doing that, but I hoped that others weren't as vacuous. Perhaps it is because I'm at ground zero, and most of the dismissal I'm seeing seems to be coming from those who aren't affected yet. But I'll chose to follow guidance from local agencies versus random, unaffected fans going off hunches and telling people that if they follow local health authorities they're doomsdayers and Y2K bunker dwellers. Look, if someone errs on the side of caution, then worst-case they've wasted time or have done things inefficiently. If they err on the side of disregard, the consequences could end up being much worse. I'm in no panic at all, but am frustrated by people acting like climate change deniers and following the guidance of an anti-science, go with the gut president. 51 confirmed cases and 10 deaths in my county. This isn't the flu. I have the flu vaccine. But there is no COVID-19 vaccine nor is there a COVID-19 treatment available. And the mortality rate is 20 - 30 times higher than influenza. Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, DocuSign, Google and other large companies here telling workers to work remotely. We just this week started testing for this locally, so we have barely seen the tip of the iceberg at this point. If it isn't in your area, don't worry about it, I guess. But it is in mine, and I'll follow professional guidance on this. 

I'm not saying don't take precautions. But a lot of people are in panic mode. When did local health experts say buy every canned good and roll of toilet paper you can get your hands on? I must have missed that. That kind of behavior is the very definition of panic and what I was referring to. It's a serious situation, but the ramifications of shutting down thousands of schools, sending millions home from work and people raiding their local stores is pretty serious as well. If enough people behave in this manner it probably triggers a world recession, which in turn leaves millions dead who would have otherwise been perfectly healthy. Most workers can't work remotely and if they lose their jobs because of a panic driven recession lose their health care and therefore potentially die from some other much more likely disease. This scenario scares me a lot worse than contracting COVID-19 but to each his own.

Perhaps I took your previous post wrong, because this one seems much more reasonable. I am not telling anyone to panic. My only message is follow your local health authority's guidance to avoid infection and spread. That's all. The store raiding may appear or sound like panic, but I'm not sure how much is actual raiding vs a larger than typical number of people buying essentials all at the same time. In some cases it is just people making sure that if they have to self-quarantine for 14 days, they've got what they need at home. People are also practicing social distancing a bit more around here, and working remotely from home. That also necessitates more household items than one might normally use. But I have seen crazies panic buying, so I'm not saying it isn't happening. And I've also seen predatory purchasing behavior, and people acting like a PJ poster just went up for sale, and buying to resell at stupid prices. People are selling hand sanitizer, toilet paper, etc... for huge markups. Anyway, if the virus isn't in your area, no worries for now. If it is, then be smart and follow the guidance of the local health authorities. 

jeffbr

gotthebottle said:

Would have been nice if 80% of the CDC hadn't been cut by you -know-who and that they were prepared for this.

+1

THEBIBLEISTEN

U think trump is going to make China build a wall around China and have them pay for it?

lastexit78

I'm going to stay positive and say this doesn't turn apocalyptic like so many here believe. New cases in China continue to decline which is a good sign. Feels like the next 10 or so days will determine a lot but that's just my opinion. If you want some unbiased stats on the virus here's a link. Feels like there's a good % of people getting facts off Facebook and other platforms (like this thread) which in itself is pretty terrifying. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105

RobZ

gotthebottle said:

Would have been nice if 80% of the CDC hadn't been cut by you -know-who and that they were prepared for this.

The FACT is, the CDC budget last year was 7 BILLION dollars......6.5 BILLION this year.   Somehow you feel 13.5 BILLION dollars over two years isn't enough to handle a flu strain?