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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    CM189191 said:
    for perspective:
    SARS Global deaths: 774; 15 percent mortality rate; no U.S. deaths
    H1N1 Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
    Ebola Global deaths: 11,325 deaths; death rate was about 50 percent
    Coronavirus 10,447 global deaths to date, 3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3

    I don't trust the corona virus mortality rate, because we have no idea how many people have it. I expect the numbers in the US to sky rocket once more testing becomes available.
  • CM189191 said:
    for perspective:
    SARS Global deaths: 774; 15 percent mortality rate; no U.S. deaths
    H1N1 Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
    Ebola Global deaths: 11,325 deaths; death rate was about 50 percent
    Coronavirus 10,447 global deaths to date, 3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3

    Not sure what conclusion you are presenting as perspective but I would put forward that any statistics that are more than 2 weeks old dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 is not something we should spend much time thinking about.  Much is learned every day, every week.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    rgambs said:
    Our stupid fuck of a PM refuses to shut down schools. Why should teachers and their families have to be put at risk?
    Sweden's Public Health Authority has today decided to still keep schools open, 

    because 

    - the effects of having them closed have shown to be at most marginal, so far. 

    and

    - it would be a huge strain on society and the health care system if people are not able to go to work because of children being kept at home

    and

    - people should avoid after skis this upcoming weekend.

    Sweden has 10 million people and 85% of them live in villages with 200 or fewer people.  California is a little smaller and has 4x as many people.
    No offense, but there really isn't any sense in comparing Sweden to...anything.
    Isn't Thoughts_Arrive from Australia?

    Who is talking about California?

    So no offense, but there really isn't any sense in you comparing.... anything
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    rgambs said:
    Our stupid fuck of a PM refuses to shut down schools. Why should teachers and their families have to be put at risk?
    Sweden's Public Health Authority has today decided to still keep schools open, 

    because 

    - the effects of having them closed have shown to be at most marginal, so far. 

    and

    - it would be a huge strain on society and the health care system if people are not able to go to work because of children being kept at home

    and

    - people should avoid after skis this upcoming weekend.

    Sweden has 10 million people and 85% of them live in villages with 200 or fewer people.  
    And just from being curious - source for this please.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,332
    dignin said:
    Pretty sure the comfort question was asked and answered.  Not sure why being antagonistic has to remain a part of your posts.  Let it go.

    Shit is awful for so many.

    Who follows CA, today?


    In the age of false flag trump it was very infuriating reading those posts here the past 36 hours. Especially because my life and death is contingent on you and everyone else being smart and intelligent.

    Especially as I was sitting for the last four days in one of the top ICUs in the Northeast, speaking with top doctors about the current healthcare situation. Especially how I was quarantined for nearly 40 hours due to one similar symptom of a family member. Zero room for misdiagnosis in these troubled times. We for the most part knew our family health issue was a virus other than covid, still scary as shit? The tests take days to be certain of accuracy. Currently everyone healthy.

     Especially reading how one long time poster was comforted because while walking their dog or something like that a doctor they know told them this is overblown. ID specialist completely updated? Who the FMe knows. And another long time poster was comforted by living in a Logan’s Run horror movie. Glad for that.

    Make more sense now?


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    I get where your coming from, but your anger is misdirected going after an individual poster you know nothing about. You got it completely wrong with your comfort rants.

    So knock it off.

    you are still personally attacking someone who was at ground zero of this pandemic this week. Message received.
    Personally attacking? Not even close.

    We all have our own situations to deal with, it doesn't excuse your behavior. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • RenfieldRenfield Posts: 1,054
    mcgruff10 said:
    some images are disturbing but I believe this is a very objective 8 minute doc on why these viruses keep starting in China:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54
    Been watching and sharing this video for about a week now-informative and a good concise history lesson
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    I'm glad I live where I live.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    Renfield said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    some images are disturbing but I believe this is a very objective 8 minute doc on why these viruses keep starting in China:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPpoJGYlW54
    Been watching and sharing this video for about a week now-informative and a good concise history lesson
    Yeah that video taught me a lot.  I never knew how bad the conditions are in those markets.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    Congratulations on finding a Swedish doctor to agree with lol 

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    Congratulations on finding a Swedish doctor to agree with lol 

    I mean kids can get this virus and spread it when they come home, I don't understand the thinking behind this.  (not you, the one Swedish doctor)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    edited March 2020
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    Congratulations on finding a Swedish doctor to agree with lol 



    Perheps you should:

    https://youtu.be/tAVVy_x3Erg
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    edited March 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    Congratulations on finding a Swedish doctor to agree with lol 

    I mean kids can get this virus and spread it when they come home, I don't understand the thinking behind this.  (not you, the one Swedish doctor)
    Then, go through it step by step in your head again.
    Or, just read the text posted. He spells it out.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • I was against the school closure, initially, until I thought about it more and applied logic and reason.
    There is little reason to have a stay at home policy if you are going to allow kids to run around and spread the shit.  Only a person without knowledge of actual kids would think there is a way to keep them 6 feet apart, not touching things, not touching their faces, etc.
    Kids pick it up at home or at school and that starts the chain reaction to spread everywhere.
    No reason for any of us to believe the social distancing will be highly effective if we cannot stop the spread within our own homes.

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  • rhanishanerhanishane Posts: 505
    Australian borders are now shut for at least the next 6 months to anyone not a citizen, resident or immediate family member. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    16 dead in Sweden.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    We have 1200 students in our school, roughly 400 in each lunch and up to 28 kids in a class. No way to keep them separated.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    I was against the school closure, initially, until I thought about it more and applied logic and reason.
    There is little reason to have a stay at home policy if you are going to allow kids to run around and spread the shit.  Only a person without knowledge of actual kids would think there is a way to keep them 6 feet apart, not touching things, not touching their faces, etc.
    Kids pick it up at home or at school and that starts the chain reaction to spread everywhere.
    No reason for any of us to believe the social distancing will be highly effective if we cannot stop the spread within our own homes.

    That is why we put them at virus camp. Make an entire generation immune in one swoop.

    My plan still reign supreme.

    Lets armageddon this shit. Think outside the box.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rgambs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    - The pressure on them to act is great, but it is probably wise to act more sensibly. In a free society we cannot keep the cases to zero because then we have to weld the doors of people like they did in China and our society does not work. We must focus on protecting the old.

    The infectious doctor believes it is good if Sweden's young population can gain some immunity while the old ones protect themselves. For the virus will remain forever.

    - If schools close now, what happens when they open again? Should we close the community again this fall? It is incredibly worthwhile if half the population is immune to the fall.
    Congratulations on finding a Swedish doctor to agree with lol 



    Perheps you should:

    https://youtu.be/tAVVy_x3Erg
    I don't understand that because I am a grown adult lol

    I hope Sweden fares well, but it's a microcosm that doesn't mean anything to the rest of the world, statistically.  I know that sounds rude but I don't say it with any rancor.  
    I will remember that this is page 83 and I will remind you if things in Sweden get out of hand.  I truly hope that doesn't happen.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Pretty sure the comfort question was asked and answered.  Not sure why being antagonistic has to remain a part of your posts.  Let it go.

    Shit is awful for so many.

    Who follows CA, today?


    In the age of false flag trump it was very infuriating reading those posts here the past 36 hours. Especially because my life and death is contingent on you and everyone else being smart and intelligent.

    Especially as I was sitting for the last four days in one of the top ICUs in the Northeast, speaking with top doctors about the current healthcare situation. Especially how I was quarantined for nearly 40 hours due to one similar symptom of a family member. Zero room for misdiagnosis in these troubled times. We for the most part knew our family health issue was a virus other than covid, still scary as shit? The tests take days to be certain of accuracy. Currently everyone healthy.

     Especially reading how one long time poster was comforted because while walking their dog or something like that a doctor they know told them this is overblown. ID specialist completely updated? Who the FMe knows. And another long time poster was comforted by living in a Logan’s Run horror movie. Glad for that.

    Make more sense now?


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    Comfort - you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. 

    (I don't use that quote to make fun of you - I just like the movie and think it should be referenced where possible).

    You are reacting to the word comfort as if by using it I meant "complacency" or "carelessness" or "thoughtlessness". It doesn't mean any of those things. For me, it meant hope. I would like to have hope that my child survives this. The rest of my family, too, but especially my kid. I don't understand what about that hope you find offensive, because I'm guessing you have that hope for your family too. I am certainly not careless or complacent about this. 

    Good to hear that everyone in your family is healthy at this point. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    for perspective:
    SARS Global deaths: 774; 15 percent mortality rate; no U.S. deaths
    H1N1 Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
    Ebola Global deaths: 11,325 deaths; death rate was about 50 percent
    Coronavirus 10,447 global deaths to date, 3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3

    Not sure what conclusion you are presenting as perspective but I would put forward that any statistics that are more than 2 weeks old dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 is not something we should spend much time thinking about.  Much is learned every day, every week.

    Not really pushing any conclusion or narrative.  Just putting numbers out there for perspective. 

    If you have updated numbers from WHO, I'd love to see them.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    rgambs said:
    rgambs said:
    Pretty sure the comfort question was asked and answered.  Not sure why being antagonistic has to remain a part of your posts.  Let it go.

    Shit is awful for so many.

    Who follows CA, today?


    In the age of false flag trump it was very infuriating reading those posts here the past 36 hours. Especially because my life and death is contingent on you and everyone else being smart and intelligent.

    Especially as I was sitting for the last four days in one of the top ICUs in the Northeast, speaking with top doctors about the current healthcare situation. Especially how I was quarantined for nearly 40 hours due to one similar symptom of a family member. Zero room for misdiagnosis in these troubled times. We for the most part knew our family health issue was a virus other than covid, still scary as shit? The tests take days to be certain of accuracy. Currently everyone healthy.

     Especially reading how one long time poster was comforted because while walking their dog or something like that a doctor they know told them this is overblown. ID specialist completely updated? Who the FMe knows. And another long time poster was comforted by living in a Logan’s Run horror movie. Glad for that.

    Make more sense now?


    .

    No, still doesn't make sense. 
    It's never a good time to be petty and small, during a crisis is certainly no exception.

    I shared my experience, and I’m petty and small, for responding to inaccurate and dangerous attacks yesterday while I was sitting in an ICU while under quarantine after waiting what I was told was on a covid 72  hour waiting period for double checking as mandated by the regional experts, luckily they shortened it to 40 hours due to partial test results and reduced symptoms . Dude that comment is offensive. That was ME, Not my neighbors sister FFS.

    McG’s NEIGHBOR had an issue... omg you okay friend? Love you man. As long as we love only our friends we’ll be ok, got it.

    online forums are insane. Asymptomatic disease is dangerous in an environment of overconfidence. That was my message and I get attacked here. Nice fan club.


    Nobody wants to attack you, we are all rooting for you and your family.
    YOU are attacking one of our best members in petty and small little jabs and we are trying to show you why you shouldn't be.
    I hope all goes well with you and your family and you come to realize that we are all in this together and we are all taking comfort where we can.  I'm taking comfort from the low mortality rate among little children like my 4 year old son, who happens to have COPD.
    If someone sees that as offensive to the (relatively) few children who have suffered horribly, that is their choice, but most of us think it is the wrong point of view to hold.

    Again, good luck and be well, and let's all move on from this together!

    Here's hoping your son stays healthy, rgambs - and the rest of your family. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    for perspective:
    SARS Global deaths: 774; 15 percent mortality rate; no U.S. deaths
    H1N1 Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
    Ebola Global deaths: 11,325 deaths; death rate was about 50 percent
    Coronavirus 10,447 global deaths to date, 3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the WHO as of March 3

    Not sure what conclusion you are presenting as perspective but I would put forward that any statistics that are more than 2 weeks old dealing with the SARS-CoV-2 is not something we should spend much time thinking about.  Much is learned every day, every week.

    Not really pushing any conclusion or narrative.  Just putting numbers out there for perspective. 

    If you have updated numbers from WHO, I'd love to see them.

    Yesterday's update:

    There is a lot of data there.
    One item I did pull for sharing:
    The number of confirmed cases worldwide has exceeded 200 000. It took over three months to reach the first 100 00 confirmed cases, and only 12 days to reach the next 100 000.


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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,487
    A 90-year-old Seattle woman has recovered after contracting the coronavirus, reports CBS News.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    Tax deadline in the US has been pushed out from April 15th to July 15th.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,337
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    Exactly. Anyone who thinks schools won’t help spread this must have been home schooled.

    Literally the day before we closed I saw a girl dump her bag of chips on her desk and eat them straight off the desk, and of course sharing with others.
    Even without an outbreak this is disgusting, I bet less than half the students wash their hands after using the bathroom.
  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,366
    Tax deadline in the US has been pushed out from April 15th to July 15th.
    Does this apply to federal income tax only? Or does it include state and city tax deadlines?
    Thanks
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,398
    Tax deadline in the US has been pushed out from April 15th to July 15th.
    Does this apply to federal income tax only? Or does it include state and city tax deadlines?
    Thanks


    Based on the last line of this article, it would appear to be just the Fed right now.

    "Some states are making changes due to the coronavirus. In California, individuals will have until June 15 to both file and pay their state taxes."

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/taxes/treasury-secretary-says-tax-filing-deadline-moved-to-july-15/ar-BB11sUeS?ocid=ientp

  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,461
    mace1229 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    All schools in an infected area should be closed.  Those places are like petri dishes, kids sneezing and coughing.  Ugh I was on edge last week.  
    Exactly. Anyone who thinks schools won’t help spread this must have been home schooled.

    Literally the day before we closed I saw a girl dump her bag of chips on her desk and eat them straight off the desk, and of course sharing with others.
    Even without an outbreak this is disgusting, I bet less than half the students wash their hands after using the bathroom.
    I never teach from my desk, I am always roaming around and interacting with the students.  last week I was like, fuck that!  I taught from my desk and set up a perimeter.  lol
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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