I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.
In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.
like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever.
The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.
too many stupid people.
So I mention herd immunity, protecting the elderly, staying home if sick or symptomatic is the way I would have handled this thing. Still get shit over saying that, mainly by my buddy MaxiPad who just cannot seem to let it go, YET here we have Hugh doubling, nay, tripling down on the thought that we could have eradicated the virus by locking ourselves in our homes for three weeks and get's little resistance. Makes perfect sense.
The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.
too many stupid people.
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.
Hey given to try, how do you propose running herd when we know folks can be asymptomatic and protecting those vulnerable populations you mention? Sound POOTWH logic right there, straight from the hollow. You living your life and booked that family vacation to India and/or Brazil yet? Or are you afraid of the other (insert LK locker room scene here)?
Why are you critical of Nancy? She’s not an “expert” and she’s just living her life. Isn’t that what you’ve been advocating for all along? Is it because she’s a woman, a lib or yields power? Or all three? Boo!
Now excuse me while I enjoy the sand, mmmmmmmmmm sand.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Social distancing prevented some deaths but it was never going to prevent all deaths.
Has there been a study/theory on how many deaths may have occurred? I do remember early on that the prediction in the US would reach 2 million. Based on the facts we have now is there any better numbers?
if humanity was smart and actually worked together we could have EASILY beat this without a vaccine. Shut down the planet for 3 weeks and BOOM, done.
In a vacuum, yes, but not with so many people lacking basic human needs like food, water and shelter just to survive everyday. No way we would have stopped the spread due to healthcare and EMS needs alone. It would have been a slow trickle for far too long. I think we found a good middle ground with the restricted lockdowns and then limited services approach. It wasn't perfect and masking could have been implemented earlier, but then again, that could have created a shortage in the supply chain for healthcare before they could manage the early stage outbreaks. It's easy to be critical in hindsight.
like I said, if humanity were smart and actually worked together (which includes the things you mentioned), but we don't. ever.
The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.
too many stupid people.
So I mention herd immunity, protecting the elderly, staying home if sick or symptomatic is the way I would have handled this thing. Still get shit over saying that, mainly by my buddy MaxiPad who just cannot seem to let it go, YET here we have Hugh doubling, nay, tripling down on the thought that we could have eradicated the virus by locking ourselves in our homes for three weeks and get's little resistance. Makes perfect sense.
The idea that the pandemic could have been avoided by a worldwide shutdown is pie in the sky thinking. Who keeps the clean water flowing? Who keeps the electricity running? Who staffs the hospitals for all the non-covid injuries and illnesses? Who provides the food for people to eat? Where do people without safe housing go? And that’s just in the more developed world; it’s even more unworkable in the developing world.
i know it's pie in the sky. I 100% agree that no way it would have happened that way. You'd just think, at this stage in our evolution, that we COULD be there by now.
too many stupid people.
No, you’ve missed my point. Even with the best cooperation in the world there are too many services that need to be provided that require people to be moving around and interacting with others. Total lockdown and separation is not possible in a very practical way.
I didn't miss your point. even with all the moving parts, I still think it could have been achieved. But it doesn't matter. we have the vaccine and I'm very grateful.
herd immunity would have killed millions more than it has. logic, again, eludes you.
my point was something that obviously could never be achieved, because we are a selfish and stupid race.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
I am directing my anger at the right people. People like you.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?
Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.
Reading is hard huh? You left out the maybe. We will never know how effective we could have been in containing this prior to the vaccine. And because if idiots that won’t get the vaccine for fear of microchips and bullshit we will never know if the vaccine could have eliminated it quickly. Good thing all you idiots weren’t alive when polio was a thing
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.
I wish those that only seem to care about the very small amount of cases of vaccination with extreme results had cared just a tad more about the 600,000 us and almost 4 million worldwide people that had some extreme results to getting covid. Maybe if y’all had worn your masks and stayed apart we wouldn’t have needed a vaccine. And from here on out, if you refuse to get the vaccine you are part of the group that owns the death and sickness. Pretty sure those numbers will be much higher than negative effects from the vaccine.
Let's make sure we direct our anger at the right people...
Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus response team, told us that we should not visit our family during the Holidays, keep gatherings to our immediate households only.
The day after Thanksgiving, she traveled to one of her vacation properties on Fenwick Island in Delaware. She was accompanied by three generations of her family from two households. Birx, her husband Paige Reffe, a daughter, son-in-law and two young grandchildren were present.
Gavin Newsom, California Governor who banned all indoor dining and enacted some of the strictest rules in the US, was having dinner indoors with members of the California Medical Association.
"(CNN)House Speaker Nancy Pelosi got her hair styled Monday inside a San Francisco hair salon, her office said in a statement Tuesday, an apparent violation of the city's Covid-19 safety regulations that enraged the salon's owner."
Jim Kenney, mayor of Philadelphia, banned indoor dining in his city, but that did not stop him from enjoying some crab cakes in Maryland.
Steve Adler, mayor of Austin, threatened his own residents with stricter lockdowns while he was vacationing in Cabo. Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you...
Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York and brother of Chris Cuomo (who allegedly received special treatment himself) was always a big proponent of mask wearing. Except that time, he wasn't. He also didn't self quarantine when he returned either, because he's essential.
I could continue because the examples are endless, lets not make this a Democrat vs Republican thing, its more an elite or ruling class against the rest of us. As to the vaccine, I would love to see the numbers on the people who have gotten the vaccine who preach vaccine hesitancy, as I would love to see the numbers of the people who have not gotten the vaccine that have been brow-beating us for months to take it. It would probably be eye opening.
Edited to add, these people have more information than we will ever have or ever want to know, why again should I be worried about the virus if they are truly not worried about the virus and not following their own guidelines and restrictions?
oooh you're right. I'm so angry with the people who said we should socially distance and lockdown. If only all states could have been as effective as TN.. I mean you guys did great ignoring the protocols, right? Herd immunity, nothing worse than the flu, etc.? Tennessee? Angry at the right people? Herd immunity? Vax = bad? Am I getting this stuff right?
Another completely sane, normal response. You do not sound unhinged at all. Not even sure what you are asking here? Tennessee? Yes, it's a state.
Care to comment on the actual post or nah? Cincy seems to suggest that if "y'all had worn masks and stayed apart we wouldn't have needed a vaccine", with "y'all" of course referring to the Qtards, trumplicans, Grand POOBAH, and whatever other cute names you have around here. But it turns out, the ones imposing all these lockdowns and restrictions were the ones not following them. Crazy huh? Rules are for thee, not for me.
Reading is hard huh? You left out the maybe. We will never know how effective we could have been in containing this prior to the vaccine. And because if idiots that won’t get the vaccine for fear of microchips and bullshit we will never know if the vaccine could have eliminated it quickly. Good thing all you idiots weren’t alive when polio was a thing
Please show me one time where I have brought up a microchip? I will save you the time, you cannot. I have stated numerous times why I will not be getting the vaccine.
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.
Only our very own Dr. Fauci new from the very beginning that masks were not and never going to be the answer. Have you read through his emails that came after a FOIA request?
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.
Only our very own Dr. Fauci new from the very beginning that masks were not and never going to be the answer. Have you read through his emails that came after a FOIA request?
How damning. It's 8am and I'm angry again. I wonder what people on Twitter think this morning.
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Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy ChildrenA Randomized Clinical Trial
Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.
The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4
Discussion
The limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.
This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.
On one hand, I really wish they hadn’t come out with that advice at the beginning. On the other hand, I really blame people that are unable to adjust to those kind of changes. People should be able to understand that opinions on science can change rather than just using the change is a lame excuse to not participate in society.
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Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy ChildrenA Randomized Clinical Trial
Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.
The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4
Discussion
The limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.
This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
Dude you do you & your family don’t wear a mask don’t get vaccinated it’s all your choice! Good luck I hope no one ever gets sick
And yes, the trump admin and the stupid medical people and especially the CDC in the beginning with their nonsense about not wearing masks (because they were afraid people would buy them all up and medical professionals wouldn’t have them) caused a shit ton of this nonsense in the USA.
we can blame all we want in hindsight, but this was something that no one alive went through before. there was no way to predict how the public would react or what supplies would be needed next month next week next day, or what the ramifications would be from one seemingly inane decision. looking back it does seem a bit silly that our chief national public health officer Dr Tamm said "no masks" and then what seemed like the following minute said "yes masks". everyone was learning in real time, including the scientists and medical professionals. I think they deserve a bit of a break on this.
I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
There is a lot of leeway to be given to people on new viruses. The mask guidance that ended up killing our shot of effective management from the get go doesn’t fit into that. It was dumb at the time and worse in hindsight.
On one hand, I really wish they hadn’t come out with that advice at the beginning. On the other hand, I really blame people that are unable to adjust to those kind of changes. People should be able to understand that opinions on science can change rather than just using the change is a lame excuse to not participate in society.
This...
It's not like they had decades to study this virus, it was only discovered in November of '19.
I mean I know hindsight is 20/20 and no one could predict what COVID would do to the world but I would expect a little different of a reaction from the President:
"Mr. President, I've got to tell you something," Azar told Trump during a mid-January 2020 phone call, before COVID-19 broke out across the country and forced officials to impose lockdowns. "There's this new virus out of China that could be extremely dangerous. It could be the kind of thing we have been preparing for and worried about."
Azar then relayed to Trump that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had started to screen travelers from China to the US but that additional safety measures probably needed to be taken to mitigate potential spread of the virus, per the book.
"Yeah, okay," Trump replied, seemingly unconvinced of the threat. Then he hung up the phone.
Azar, then the head of the Health and Human Services Department, failed to get through to the president. He had been on shaky ground with Trump, who was still upset over a recent health policy that banned most flavored electronic cigarettes. The move had angered Trump's base, and the president thought it would cost him his reelection, according to the book.
The Post journalists reported that Azar "could barely get a word in before Trump started shouting" at him over e-cigarettes during that January phone call.
I said it before, this thing finds the unvaccinated (we need something soon for our under 12 children). Sooner or later it’s going to get to those who are unvaccinated because it will have no where else to go…sea correct.….”far from over” so just let time and karma do it’s thing (not against children of course).
And for those who aren’t vaccinated but are appalled with the indigenous issue in Canada, you’re not helping any children right now are you? I’m confused that you don’t see you may be hurting children.
Completely sane, normal response here. To be clear, you are saying you want "time and karma" to "do it's thing" against the unvaxxed? Could you imagine if I said the same about people and the vaccine? Sheesh, get a grip.
It’s time the vaccinated stop worrying about the unvaccinated ADULTS. CDC said last night we’re wearing masks to protect the unvaccinated and children now.
I have a grip on reality whereas you, yours and those like you are delusional thinking the world is making this shit up….it’s laughable. Read the news, karma is hitting the unvaccinated everyday and go ahead and say it to the vaccinated but unlike my written truth yours will be false. You should get a grip on reality….or you will suffer the consequences. Bet you think the worlds still flat too.I feel bad for you but it’s getting exhausting listening to your constant whining and lying, not you specifically but those who share your delusions. Other platforms/forums don’t allow false political or medical untruths….I don’t know why this forum allows it. We agree sometimes but I’m sorry….you’re just not making sense when it comes to this virus.
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GOP congressman flouts mask rules on airline flight to Texas
By MICHAEL BIESECKER
Today
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Texas congressman who has been an outspoken critic of COVID-19 mask mandates went without a mask for at least a portion of a commercial airline flight Tuesday evening, an apparent violation of federal law.
Republican Rep. Chip Roy flew from Washington back to his home district in Austin to attend a border security event held Wednesday with former President Donald Trump.
The Associated Press was provided a photo and a nearly three-minute video from a Southwest Airlines flight showing a bare-faced Roy chatting with fellow passengers while standing in the aisle of the plane. The video and a photo were provided to the AP on the condition of anonymity by another passenger.
Roy is listed as a co-sponsor on a GOP-backed bill introduced in Congress last week that seeks to bar federal authorities from requiring masks to be worn on commercial airliners or in airports, as well as other transportation hubs such as train and bus stations.
His staff did not respond to multiple calls and emails seeking comment Wednesday, including questions about whether the congressman had been vaccinated.
Roy was issued a formal warning by congressional leaders in May after he and a handful of other Republicans refused to wear masks on the House floor, as then required by the chamber’s rules. In a May 18 tweet, Roy said his refusal was to wear a mask was a protest “to stand up for every student and every hard working American wanting the insanity to end.”
Democratic leaders later relaxed the mask mandate on Capitol Hill after the Centers for Disease Control changed its guidance last month to say it's safe for vaccinated adults to go without a mask when indoors in most circumstances.
Masks are still required by federal law on commercial aircraft and in all indoor spaces at airports for everyone older than 2 years of age. Those who fail to mask up on planes are subject to civil fines, ranging from $250 for the first offense and up to $1,500 for repeat offenders. Most U.S. airlines also prominently include mask wearing as a requirement in their written terms of service when passengers purchase tickets, with verbal reminders issued during boarding and safety briefings. Those who refuse can be denied service and removed.
A Southwest spokesperson said in an email Wednesday the airline couldn’t comment on details involving individual passengers, but no “irregularity reports” were generated from the specific flight the congressman was filmed on.
The Transportation Security Administration is responsible for enforcing COVID-19 safety restrictions of commercial aircraft. Agency spokesperson Sarah Rodriguez reiterated that airline passengers are still required to wear masks on planes and in airports, though she did not respond to specific questions about the congressman's failure to wear one.
Last year, after Roy was exposed to a fellow GOP congressman who then tested positive for COVID-19, he declined to self-quarantine and said he wasn’t worried about catching the virus.
In a July 2020 interview with CNN, Roy questioned the effectiveness of mask wearing for preventing the spread of the virus, especially during “interactions with perfect strangers on an airplane with circulating air.”
“With cotton masks on an airplane, where everybody is pretending like they’re doing something noble to try to save people from a virus on a cylinder with 50 people on it flying through the air,” Roy said in the interview. “My question to you all is how are people wearing a cotton mask on an airplane saving you from circulating virus on an airplane?”
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Associated Press reporter Jill Colvin contributed from Pharr, Texas.
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America does seem to be on a conundrum (and it's something that could happen up here in Canada too) where not enough people get the vaccine to create herd immunity. Which means the virus will never stop spreading, but those with vaccines will mostly not get the virus, or if it breaks through milder cases of it.
At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"? I don't think people are going to put with up measures, masks, indefinitely.
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America does seem to be on a conundrum (and it's something that could happen up here in Canada too) where not enough people get the vaccine to create herd immunity. Which means the virus will never stop spreading, but those with vaccines will mostly not get the virus, or if it breaks through milder cases of it.
At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"? I don't think people are going to put with up measures, masks, indefinitely.
I’m not changing the subject just making a comparison and a point
“At which point do you hit the "there's nothing else we can do line"?”
Minorities ask themselves this question everyday about racism. It’s been 400+ years for them yet they still fight on but us white people can’t wear a mask for a year let alone indefinitely.
Here’s a fucking idea…take the vaccine or don’t take the vaccine…nobody fucking cares about your opinion…but why continue to hijack this thread with your fucking nonsense. Go get a fucking life. No one is going to strap you down and inject you with a vaccine…jeesh.
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my point was something that obviously could never be achieved, because we are a selfish and stupid race.
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I just find it incredible how so many people jump down the throats of those who were supposedly supposed to know everything with a NEW virus.
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As i was suggesting months ago.
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How about this hot off the presses JAMA research letter on the effects of masking our kids. I think the ink is still drying on this one.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2781743
Experimental Assessment of Carbon Dioxide Content in Inhaled Air With or Without Face Masks in Healthy ChildrenA Randomized Clinical Trial
Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.
The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4
Discussion
The limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.
This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
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It's not like they had decades to study this virus, it was only discovered in November of '19.
"Mr. President, I've got to tell you something," Azar told Trump during a mid-January 2020 phone call, before COVID-19 broke out across the country and forced officials to impose lockdowns. "There's this new virus out of China that could be extremely dangerous. It could be the kind of thing we have been preparing for and worried about."
Azar then relayed to Trump that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had started to screen travelers from China to the US but that additional safety measures probably needed to be taken to mitigate potential spread of the virus, per the book.
"Yeah, okay," Trump replied, seemingly unconvinced of the threat. Then he hung up the phone.
Azar, then the head of the Health and Human Services Department, failed to get through to the president. He had been on shaky ground with Trump, who was still upset over a recent health policy that banned most flavored electronic cigarettes. The move had angered Trump's base, and the president thought it would cost him his reelection, according to the book.
The Post journalists reported that Azar "could barely get a word in before Trump started shouting" at him over e-cigarettes during that January phone call.
That same month, Trump dismissed Azar's advice on another occasion, according to the book. Trump wanted to send a tweet praising Chinese President Xi Jinping on the pandemic, though Azar begged him not to.
"For the love of God, don't do that," he told the president, per the book. But Trump went ahead and tweeted.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-yeah-okay-hung-161026568.html
WASHINGTON (AP) — A Texas congressman who has been an outspoken critic of COVID-19 mask mandates went without a mask for at least a portion of a commercial airline flight Tuesday evening, an apparent violation of federal law.
Republican Rep. Chip Roy flew from Washington back to his home district in Austin to attend a border security event held Wednesday with former President Donald Trump.
The Associated Press was provided a photo and a nearly three-minute video from a Southwest Airlines flight showing a bare-faced Roy chatting with fellow passengers while standing in the aisle of the plane. The video and a photo were provided to the AP on the condition of anonymity by another passenger.
Roy is listed as a co-sponsor on a GOP-backed bill introduced in Congress last week that seeks to bar federal authorities from requiring masks to be worn on commercial airliners or in airports, as well as other transportation hubs such as train and bus stations.
His staff did not respond to multiple calls and emails seeking comment Wednesday, including questions about whether the congressman had been vaccinated.
Roy was issued a formal warning by congressional leaders in May after he and a handful of other Republicans refused to wear masks on the House floor, as then required by the chamber’s rules. In a May 18 tweet, Roy said his refusal was to wear a mask was a protest “to stand up for every student and every hard working American wanting the insanity to end.”
Democratic leaders later relaxed the mask mandate on Capitol Hill after the Centers for Disease Control changed its guidance last month to say it's safe for vaccinated adults to go without a mask when indoors in most circumstances.
Masks are still required by federal law on commercial aircraft and in all indoor spaces at airports for everyone older than 2 years of age. Those who fail to mask up on planes are subject to civil fines, ranging from $250 for the first offense and up to $1,500 for repeat offenders. Most U.S. airlines also prominently include mask wearing as a requirement in their written terms of service when passengers purchase tickets, with verbal reminders issued during boarding and safety briefings. Those who refuse can be denied service and removed.
A Southwest spokesperson said in an email Wednesday the airline couldn’t comment on details involving individual passengers, but no “irregularity reports” were generated from the specific flight the congressman was filmed on.
The Transportation Security Administration is responsible for enforcing COVID-19 safety restrictions of commercial aircraft. Agency spokesperson Sarah Rodriguez reiterated that airline passengers are still required to wear masks on planes and in airports, though she did not respond to specific questions about the congressman's failure to wear one.
Last year, after Roy was exposed to a fellow GOP congressman who then tested positive for COVID-19, he declined to self-quarantine and said he wasn’t worried about catching the virus.
In a July 2020 interview with CNN, Roy questioned the effectiveness of mask wearing for preventing the spread of the virus, especially during “interactions with perfect strangers on an airplane with circulating air.”
“With cotton masks on an airplane, where everybody is pretending like they’re doing something noble to try to save people from a virus on a cylinder with 50 people on it flying through the air,” Roy said in the interview. “My question to you all is how are people wearing a cotton mask on an airplane saving you from circulating virus on an airplane?”
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Associated Press reporter Jill Colvin contributed from Pharr, Texas.
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Follow Associated Press Investigative Reporter Michael Biesecker at http://twitter.com/mbieseck
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Contact AP’s global investigative team at Investigative@ap.org
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Is this an agreed upon stance here?
you HAVE to factor in rate of vaccinations here as these emerged and showed up here.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/997418/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
Only if interested in having a conversation in good faith, which... you know.