The coronavirus

what dreams

cutz said:

Looks like a packed in crowd and I don't care if there wearing mask or not. I don't think there should be a packed crowd like this.

This is in NJ

https://youtu.be/79sVLYTTGzs

I don't remember who said it on a previous page, but it bears repeating: some people insist on prolonging everyone else's misery.

brianlux

what dreams said:

cutz said:

Looks like a packed in crowd and I don't care if there wearing mask or not. I don't think there should be a packed crowd like this.

This is in NJ

https://youtu.be/79sVLYTTGzs

I don't remember who said it on a previous page, but it bears repeating: some people insist on prolonging everyone else's misery.

And creating their own!

jerparker20

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fauci seems to think that the US could be back to basically normal by april or july. 

he is way overestimating (or underestimating, depending how you look at it) the anti-vax or just simply the lazy-vax crowd. 

Interesting. I was half watching an interview with him on CNN this morning and something that caught my attention was even after you have been vaccinated you should wear a mask due to there being a chance of being in the 10% that it was ineffective. 

Everything that I have read puts herd immunity with a vaccine or already having the virus around 60-70%. Is that the number we need to be at to be normal again? I do not think so. If by April the high risk group should all have had a chance at the vaccine. By June the general population will have had a couple months to have access to the shots. Depending on how fast they can roll it out that is a large chunk of the general population as well as hopefully the majority of the most vulnerable. Also factor in by the time the vaccine is out 20 million people in the states will have tested positive and will not need access to the vaccine. All of that considered I really think would be good enough for me to go back to normal by summer. There are a lot of things that need to happen for that to be possible and no hiccups with the vaccine but that is how I see it. 

so we know this? does prior infection equal immunization?

As someone who is now in the “recovery phase” I’ve been trying to find info on this. No symptoms for two days in a row. Wife is still dealing with minor symptoms. My three year old is fucking crazy, so I assume he’s fine.

Best I’ve seen is studies are showing at least 4-7 months of immunity, but nothing saying total immunity. There have been enough cases of reinfection to show that people can get it more than once. 

As for a vaccine providing immunity, I guess that will need more research and follow up studies. Will the vaccine by something like the flu shot that you’ll need every year? Will it be a one and done? Will that cause viral mutations that will require new vaccine development each year?

HughFreakingDillon

jerparker20 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fauci seems to think that the US could be back to basically normal by april or july. 

he is way overestimating (or underestimating, depending how you look at it) the anti-vax or just simply the lazy-vax crowd. 

Interesting. I was half watching an interview with him on CNN this morning and something that caught my attention was even after you have been vaccinated you should wear a mask due to there being a chance of being in the 10% that it was ineffective. 

Everything that I have read puts herd immunity with a vaccine or already having the virus around 60-70%. Is that the number we need to be at to be normal again? I do not think so. If by April the high risk group should all have had a chance at the vaccine. By June the general population will have had a couple months to have access to the shots. Depending on how fast they can roll it out that is a large chunk of the general population as well as hopefully the majority of the most vulnerable. Also factor in by the time the vaccine is out 20 million people in the states will have tested positive and will not need access to the vaccine. All of that considered I really think would be good enough for me to go back to normal by summer. There are a lot of things that need to happen for that to be possible and no hiccups with the vaccine but that is how I see it. 

so we know this? does prior infection equal immunization?

As someone who is now in the “recovery phase” I’ve been trying to find info on this. Best I’ve seen is studies are showing at least 4-7 months of immunity, but nothing saying total immunity. There have been enough cases of reinfection to show that people can get it more than once. 

As for a vaccine providing immunity, I guess that will need more research and follow up studies. Will the vaccine by something like the flu shot that you’ll need every year? Will it be a one and done? Will that cause viral mutations that will require new vaccine development each year?

from the speculation i've read so far, it might be a combination. it might not give one-and-done immunity, and even if it did for that particular strain, it's going to mutate and you'll need modifications to it each season. 

my guess is covid is with us forever now, just like the common cold and influenza. but i'm not an infectious disease specialist nor epidemiologist. obviously. lol

RunIntoTheRain

10 employees currently out with Covid right now. Thankfully starting tomorrow, I move into the bakery for 2 weeks. Safer back there with less contact with members. Today was insanely busy. There is no 6 foot distancing happening.

Where I feel most vulnerable is in the main breakroom where of course the employees take their masks off. A smaller room was created for pre-work screenings so I will be taking my breaks/lunches in there.

Stay safe everyone.

PJNB

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54949799

Back to normal by next winter. That is way too long imo. If the vulnerable are all vaccinated why would we need to wait until next winter.... 

static111

I’m currently working around the Florida Georgia line in the panhandle.  By all accounts you’d think the pandemic was over.  About half of people wear masks, some that do wear below the nose.   I went to pickup some to go food.  Packed restaurant nobody was distancing and no masks.  Why does this idiocy persist.

mcgruff10

New record today in NJ: 4540 positive cases and over 4000 yesterday.  good times.  

F Me In The Brain

static111 said:

I’m currently working around the Florida Georgia line in the panhandle.  By all accounts you’d think the pandemic was over.  About half of people wear masks, some that do wear below the nose.   I went to pickup some to go food.  Packed restaurant nobody was distancing and no masks.  Why does this idiocy persist.

You are in the panhandle.



Sorry, I'm sure there are some normal people that live there but to me that is your answer.

hedonist

static111 said:

I’m currently working around the Florida Georgia line in the panhandle.  By all accounts you’d think the pandemic was over.  About half of people wear masks, some that do wear below the nose.   I went to pickup some to go food.  Packed restaurant nobody was distancing and no masks.  Why does this idiocy persist.

I just can’t fathom how some are so blasé. Take yourself down if you must, but why drag others into it?

brianlux

RunIntoTheRain said:

10 employees currently out with Covid right now. Thankfully starting tomorrow, I move into the bakery for 2 weeks. Safer back there with less contact with members. Today was insanely busy. There is no 6 foot distancing happening.

Where I feel most vulnerable is in the main breakroom where of course the employees take their masks off. A smaller room was created for pre-work screenings so I will be taking my breaks/lunches in there.

Stay safe everyone.

static111 said:

I’m currently working around the Florida Georgia line in the panhandle.  By all accounts you’d think the pandemic was over.  About half of people wear masks, some that do wear below the nose.   I went to pickup some to go food.  Packed restaurant nobody was distancing and no masks.  Why does this idiocy persist.

Stay safe, both of you.  It sucks that so many people just don't care.  Keep away from them as much as possible!

lastexitlondon

jerparker20 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fauci seems to think that the US could be back to basically normal by april or july. 

he is way overestimating (or underestimating, depending how you look at it) the anti-vax or just simply the lazy-vax crowd. 

Interesting. I was half watching an interview with him on CNN this morning and something that caught my attention was even after you have been vaccinated you should wear a mask due to there being a chance of being in the 10% that it was ineffective. 

Everything that I have read puts herd immunity with a vaccine or already having the virus around 60-70%. Is that the number we need to be at to be normal again? I do not think so. If by April the high risk group should all have had a chance at the vaccine. By June the general population will have had a couple months to have access to the shots. Depending on how fast they can roll it out that is a large chunk of the general population as well as hopefully the majority of the most vulnerable. Also factor in by the time the vaccine is out 20 million people in the states will have tested positive and will not need access to the vaccine. All of that considered I really think would be good enough for me to go back to normal by summer. There are a lot of things that need to happen for that to be possible and no hiccups with the vaccine but that is how I see it. 

so we know this? does prior infection equal immunization?

As someone who is now in the “recovery phase” I’ve been trying to find info on this. No symptoms for two days in a row. Wife is still dealing with minor symptoms. My three year old is fucking crazy, so I assume he’s fine.

Best I’ve seen is studies are showing at least 4-7 months of immunity, but nothing saying total immunity. There have been enough cases of reinfection to show that people can get it more than once. 

As for a vaccine providing immunity, I guess that will need more research and follow up studies. Will the vaccine by something like the flu shot that you’ll need every year? Will it be a one and done? Will that cause viral mutations that will require new vaccine development each year?

My opinion is we will be immune re infection is very rare and normally the first  case is so mild its not made enough anti bodies. 
The vaccines provide very good levels of antibody response. 
Also immunity as in b cells . Antibodies will only be in the blood for a few  months but the t-cells (memory cells) remember the infection and react if you come into contact again . So i am confident it will be very much confrolled and eventually  gone. Like sar 1 the people who had that have cross immunity  and still have the t-cells. 
There is hope.

lastexitlondon

lastexitlondon said:

jerparker20 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJNB said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

fauci seems to think that the US could be back to basically normal by april or july. 

he is way overestimating (or underestimating, depending how you look at it) the anti-vax or just simply the lazy-vax crowd. 

Interesting. I was half watching an interview with him on CNN this morning and something that caught my attention was even after you have been vaccinated you should wear a mask due to there being a chance of being in the 10% that it was ineffective. 

Everything that I have read puts herd immunity with a vaccine or already having the virus around 60-70%. Is that the number we need to be at to be normal again? I do not think so. If by April the high risk group should all have had a chance at the vaccine. By June the general population will have had a couple months to have access to the shots. Depending on how fast they can roll it out that is a large chunk of the general population as well as hopefully the majority of the most vulnerable. Also factor in by the time the vaccine is out 20 million people in the states will have tested positive and will not need access to the vaccine. All of that considered I really think would be good enough for me to go back to normal by summer. There are a lot of things that need to happen for that to be possible and no hiccups with the vaccine but that is how I see it. 

so we know this? does prior infection equal immunization?

As someone who is now in the “recovery phase” I’ve been trying to find info on this. No symptoms for two days in a row. Wife is still dealing with minor symptoms. My three year old is fucking crazy, so I assume he’s fine.

Best I’ve seen is studies are showing at least 4-7 months of immunity, but nothing saying total immunity. There have been enough cases of reinfection to show that people can get it more than once. 

As for a vaccine providing immunity, I guess that will need more research and follow up studies. Will the vaccine by something like the flu shot that you’ll need every year? Will it be a one and done? Will that cause viral mutations that will require new vaccine development each year?

My opinion is we will be immune re infection is very rare and normally the first  case is so mild its not made enough anti bodies. 
The vaccines provide very good levels of antibody response. 
Also immunity as in b cells . Antibodies will only be in the blood for a few  months but the t-cells (memory cells) remember the infection and react if you come into contact again . So i am confident it will be very much confrolled and eventually  gone. Like sar 1 the people who had that have cross immunity  and still have the t-cells. 
There is hope.

Also i read that if you had a corona virus( one of the  common colds) basically. You  may have some immunity to covid thats why  asymptomatic cases can happen . 

lastexitlondon

https://youtu.be/h8K4y7ROCqc
ventilation is key

Halifax2TheMax

Must be slowing down and going away as things go away rounding the corner.

Spiritual_Chaos

Press conference scheduled, new restrictions to be expected. 

PJNB

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Press conference scheduled, new expected to be expected. 

Moderna just announced 94.5% effective rate and better storage temps. This is great news. 

Spiritual_Chaos

8 people limit in Sweden. For gatherings.

- Let me remind you of some starting points for the Swedish strategy: Our ambition is to implement the right measures at the right time.

- We use both recommendations and prohibitions, both advice and coercion. We also strive for the measures to be sustainable over time. That everyone should understand the importance of them, so that people have the best conditions to be able to follow rules and advice.

- In the spring, the measures had a powerful effect. In recent weeks, the advice has been sharpened, but despite this, the behavior has not been complied with enough. The curves are still pointing in the wrong direction.

- During the first half of last week, 4,600 cases per day were confirmed. In addition, the number of covid patients who need intensive care is increasing. During the spring, we made enormous efforts to increase the capacity of intensive care.

- We have the world's best healthcare staff, but no healthcare in the world can handle any load.

Poncier

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Press conference scheduled, new expected to be expected. 

Moderna just announced 94.5% effective rate and better storage temps. This is great news. 

Outstanding news.
2 of the major vaccines showing 90%+ effectiveness so far is better than we could have hoped for a couple months ago. I remember some discussion a while back(possibly on CNN) with experts hoping for 70-75% effectiveness.

jerparker20

PJNB said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Press conference scheduled, new expected to be expected. 

Moderna just announced 94.5% effective rate and better storage temps. This is great news. 

It will be even better when/if they know the immunity level it provides. Is it 6 month, 1 year, or a lifetime. I also believe this is a single dose vaccine vs. the multiple dose that Pfizer has.

As much as I hope an effective vaccine becomes available, a part of me is a bit hesitant...