The coronavirus

mace1229

tbergs said:

mace1229 said:

lastexit78 said:

Shame people are so stupid. I haven't locked myself in my home since March. I worked in the office until August when I got a new position and now work from home. Regardless, I've been to stores, visited National Parks in the summer and take walks/hikes frequently. I wear a mask around others and honestly I can count on one hand how many times I've been in close contact with someone else who was not wearing a mask since March. I'm baffled how 150,000 Americans are becoming infected daily, it's not that hard to keep your distance and act responsibly. I don't support a 'Lockdown" because at that point you are unfairly punishing the people who have acted responsibly for 8 plus months. Not to mention the harm to the economy, small business in particular. Unless we get a legit stimulus which seems far fetched at this point. I intend on spending Thanksgiving week at Death Valley, exploring nature while socially distancing and living my life. If the government wants to step in and tell me I can't and that's being irresponsible than fuck them at this point. Go talk to the people having mass gatherings and the rest of the oblivious fucks. 

Masks only prevent some of the spread. You can wear a mask and constantly sanitize/wash your hands and still get it. A lot of people are doing everything right and get sick. You’re not preventing it, you’re just reducing the risk.

I'd be interested to see the numbers on how many people who are "doing it right" that actually get it? I don't know of anyone who maintained 6 feet, wore a quality mask properly and was good about hand washing who got it. Everyone I have contact traced at work or personally know failed at one or all of those criteria. Obviously certain professions are required to be within 6 feet so there's not much they can do, but nearly 100% of cases I know are social gathering related.

How many do you know who got it? For me that sample is too small to draw any conclusions about doing right or not. 

Obviously a mask and everything else helps, just seems like unless you just don’t leave the house you’re still at risk. I would imagine most who get it did have some high risk behavior, but I have no doubt there’s those who unlucky with the wrong place wrong time. Maybe I just opened to fridge door to get milk at the grocery store and accidentally scratch my face without thinking about it before I had a chance to sanitize. That can’t be that rare.

lastexitlondon

rgambs said:

Lock it down.
We are about to swan dive off a cliff into a sea of our freedoms and we will drown there in our hubris.
The economic ramifications of shutdowns aren't going to be any worse than the economic ramifications of skyrocketing death and serious tolls.

This.  Hard Lockdown 1 month is like a re set.
Must be done

lastexitlondon

@rgambs you speak many truths. 
We here are an island of 65 million still getting 30.000 a day and 500+deaths a day. And we are in "lockdown#2" which is not a real lockdown. As our fuckin knob head citizens  wont  be locked down again properly. Oh no we will pretend all these people  are just  a number. 
We wont shut or remote learn school and wont shut airports or anywhere it obvs spreads fast. No no.
The world  has come undone. And social  media has a lot to do with dumb ass peoples views. I say like rgmbs . Do your  fucking duty and so your time. For the good of the world  ffs. Its actually  simple

lastexitlondon

https://youtu.be/n2zBZbIL32g
This guy is my favourite.  Always factual and todays one has  helpful  u.s.a info on masks 

23scidoo

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Sweden is going to hell.

I repeat:

Sweden is going to hell.

My mom told me she had a box of facemasks. In her bag. Unopened. But she promised me now to use them when going by bus to her job.

This winter is gonna be crazy in Europe.

The number of admitted corona patients is increasing faster in Sweden than in any other European country. It reports the newspaper Financial Times.

The newspaper writes that the number of cases, hospitalized and dead is significantly higher than in Denmark, Norway and Finland, even if the population is taken into account.

They also write that the spread of infection in Sweden is now starting to catch up with what was seen in the UK during the autumn.

Same here..my city is over the limits..

Halifax2TheMax

He should stick to cars and rockets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/13/elon-musk-covid-test-bogus/

Halifax2TheMax

Yup, going away like things go away and right after the election too.

cincybearcat

I'm frustrated cause we wouldn't need a lockdown if people would wear masks and distance and stop having parties, etc.  

OnWis97

cincybearcat said:

I'm frustrated cause we wouldn't need a lockdown if people would wear masks and distance and stop having parties, etc.  

Yeah. The responsible have to be responsible longer so the irresponsible can just live their lives.

Pap

25 ways to be kind today

Meltdown99

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

pjl44 said:

You wanna know what privelege is? Seeing 1.3 million deaths to date and snarkily wondering aloud if more Trump voters caught it.

yup...

You really want to know what privilege is? It’s being a local “leader” or governor and openly stating that you won’t abide by or enforce whatever covid response restrictions are communicated by your elected representatives and leaders. You know what else is privilege? Dismissing 240,000+ dead Americans because complicit assholes are still crying about their freedumb. What’s it going to take for repubs to wake the fuck up and get on board with the science? 400K dead by Christmas? A mil, mil and a half? Or oh well, everyone dies someday anyway? What a shit hole country.

That's quite the rant.  Now maybe you should be ranting at your fellow citizens.  I'm a canuck...thankfully.  

Halifax2TheMax

Meltdown99 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Meltdown99 said:

pjl44 said:

You wanna know what privelege is? Seeing 1.3 million deaths to date and snarkily wondering aloud if more Trump voters caught it.

yup...

You really want to know what privilege is? It’s being a local “leader” or governor and openly stating that you won’t abide by or enforce whatever covid response restrictions are communicated by your elected representatives and leaders. You know what else is privilege? Dismissing 240,000+ dead Americans because complicit assholes are still crying about their freedumb. What’s it going to take for repubs to wake the fuck up and get on board with the science? 400K dead by Christmas? A mil, mil and a half? Or oh well, everyone dies someday anyway? What a shit hole country.

That's quite the rant.  Now maybe you should be ranting at your fellow citizens.  I'm a canuck...thankfully.  

Do only Canadians read the forums? Well, maybe only they have the requisite education to understand the content of the posts? You know, freedumb and all?

HughFreakingDillon

lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour. 

PJNB

Trump will deliver an update today at 4 eastern time on the vaccine update. How long until he takes full credit for the vaccine and the Q&A derails into the Dems cheating on presidential election?

HughFreakingDillon

he'll claim operation warp speed the greatest success by any president in history. 

even though we all know pfizer wasn't part of it. 

Poncier

PJNB said:

Trump will deliver an update today at 4 eastern time on the vaccine update. How long until he takes full credit for the vaccine and the Q&A derails into the Dems cheating on presidential election?

8 seconds

lastexit78

Interested to hear from those who support a lockdown. Haven't other countries with much less selfish populations tried and essentially failed with lockdowns? Do you expect people to first of all respect the lockdown and secondly if they do to change their behavior once it ends? Your just plugging an enormous wound with a band aid and when it's ripped off in 4-6 weeks the bleeding continues, only worse. It's a sick and tragic thought but the only way a lot of Americans are going to be "vaccinated" is by becoming infected. Can anybody really guess where we are at right now? Sure 150k confirmed daily cases but I can't imagine we are even capturing 50% of the true number. The WHO, CDC and others were using the 10% number most of the summer. Just for kicks I'm going to call the real number 300k which is probably still low. That's 2.1 million cases per week or 50 plus million over the next 6 months. I don't support a herd strategy but its where we are headed. Nobody will ever know but I'm willing to guess that we will be close to 25% herd immunity by next April, potentially much higher. Personally if one of these vaccines is 90%ish effective and my family is vaccinated along with everyone in our country that wants to be then its game over. The morons who don't want to get vaccinated cannot be the reason why we don't get back to rebuilding this country, our mental state, our quality of life. I believe we get to that point sometime next fall. Until then lets just hope our hospitals and those in harms way don't get steamrolled by the wave of stupidity that's building. 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour. 

Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.

But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.

josevolution

Yeah god forbid that you might have to make your own drink or cook & serve your own food! 

OnWis97

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

lot of people making noise in my neck of the woods about "why can kids go to school but the restaurants and bars have to close?". because, geniuses, the kids actually fucking listen to protocols and take direction seriously, where the adults don't. there's a reason there's very few cases in our schools and kids getting infected. it's all the stupid fucking adults that can't stay home and have a zoom happy hour. 

Middle school kids definitely don’t here. The second they’re out for recess the mask is off, they’re wrestling, hugging, whatever. In class t he y follow the rules, but not in hallways and recess.

But I still think that’s a dumb argument, comparing schools to bars are 2 different animals.

I don't have kids or truly understand how they're behaving but my gut reaction would be that kids might be worse than adults. Or, rather that kids would be better than petulant/obstinate adults but not as good as responsible adults.  In any case, I agree that "what about schools?" is a lame deflection. They can talk about whether or not in-person school is a good idea but it's neither here nor there for validating hanging out in bars.