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josevolution

mcgruff10 said:

Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

“We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relax, this isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

If only that were the truth.

The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 

mcgruff10

cblock4life said:

mcgruff10 said:

We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   

Hey I know I was a dick to you, I totally regret it and I’m sorry, but I do want to say I hope all goes well and that you stay safe. I love teachers. So now the virus on top of people with guns....you guys are the most underpaid profession in the world. Sorry again. Stay safe! 

I really appreciate that, thank you.  I will do my best to stay safe and teach at the same time. It is so weird to me that I can’t circulate around the room.  

cincybearcat

lastexitlondon said:

mcgruff10 said:

We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   

Its just unfair on teachers to risk their  life thats  not part of the deal. Fuck this shit

My daughter has been in school all year. About 70% choose in school option. About 1200 kids roughly. 0 in school transmission. 

Halifax2TheMax

Rounding the corner, right smack into another wall of covid. Damn, who saw that coming?

what dreams

cincybearcat said:

lastexitlondon said:

mcgruff10 said:

We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   

Its just unfair on teachers to risk their  life thats  not part of the deal. Fuck this shit

My daughter has been in school all year. About 70% choose in school option. About 1200 kids roughly. 0 in school transmission. 

I have not been in a classroom in a school all year. This week alone, three students' *entire families* have contracted the virus, big Hispanic families. Parents who had to work brought it home. But when I look at the state database of reported cases, guess how many new cases were listed for my city in the past week? ONE. The tracing, the reporting -- the numbers are all bullshit. Don't believe any of them.

I suspect a couple of things are going on in schools regarding transmission, in general.

1. School districts are lying about and covering up the number of cases, using HIPAA as their excuse. I know this is happening for sure in parts of my state (but not my district. My district has handled this whole situation tremendously well, thankfully).

2. School districts with large populations of low income students are seeing more outbreaks. My district will be over-run by this disease if we go back in. I don't know about your child's school, but based on your report of 0 cases, I wonder how lily-white affluent it is. Or who's lying.

joseph33

Trump= economy good,more positive cases more death. Biden=Economy goes into a depression,Corona is slowed,lives are saved. There you go!

Zod

I'm not entirely sure I believe that.   The economy isn't doing well because of Coronavirus.  The worse it gets the worse the economy ends up doing? 

I also don't give Trump full credit for the run up to Covid19.   We all know the economy moves in cycles.  Trump became president a few years into growth phase.   Obama became president during the trough (When it was in the gutter).   It's just where the business cycle was when they got elected.    Trump gaslit the economy a bit with the tax cuts, but it was already in the stage where it grows.

I don't think he has another way to gaslight the economy with Covid around?

JT167846

Halloween and election day will no doubt result in another bunch of cases. 

Spiritual_Chaos

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

“We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relax, this isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

If only that were the truth.

The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 

....but people on here said that it was such a special occasion and defended him...

https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

23scidoo

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1321530170327527424?s=20

France going back to lockdown (but keeping schools open, If I read it correctly)

Germany going into partial lockdown

Belgium and Greece the same..over 1500 cases yestarday..

Spiritual_Chaos

Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

Johan is redeemed once again.

F Me In The Brain

Spiritual_Chaos said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

“We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relax, this isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

If only that were the truth.

The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 

....but people on here said that it was such a special occasion and defended him...

https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

Aren't you the same person who was posting pictures of yourself going out to eat and for a beer when everything in most countries was on lockdown?

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is wrong to do what he did since he had a positive test.....but people here were questioning your choices as well.

Spiritual_Chaos

F Me In The Brain said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

“We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relax, this isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

If only that were the truth.

The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 

....but people on here said that it was such a special occasion and defended him...

https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

Aren't you the same person who was posting pictures of yourself going out to eat and for a beer when everything in most countries was on lockdown?

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is wrong to do what he did since he had a positive test.....but people here were questioning your choices as well.

If I would have sick, I would not have. 

Otherwise I adhere to the recommendations given to me. The restaurants and bars here are open, for people to be able to go "out to eat and for a beer ". With restrictions due to the pandemic that the establishments are set to follow

Other countries being in strict lockdown at the time, that is their choice. 

Poncier

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

Johan is redeemed once again.

So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?

Merkin Baller

Poncier said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

Johan is redeemed once again.

So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?

Yeah, if you're turning to Bill Maher for validation... yikes.

Spiritual_Chaos

Poncier said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

Johan is redeemed once again.

So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?

No, have I stated that? 

Not a superfan of him.

Spiritual_Chaos

Merkin Baller said:

Poncier said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

Johan is redeemed once again.

So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?

Yeah, if you're turning to Bill Maher for validation... yikes.

Hopefully no one is. In any respect.

His laugh is kind of cute sometimes though.

Spiritual_Chaos

On Thursday, the Public Health Agency announces that it has decided on stricter general advice in three more regions - Stockholm, Västra Götaland (where Spitiual_Chaos lives) and Östergötland.  

The new, stricter restrictions apply from 29 October, and call on people in the three regions to:
- Refrain from staying in indoor environments such as shops, malls, museums, libraries, bathhouses and gyms. Necessary visits to, for example, grocery stores and pharmacies can be made.

- Refrain from participating in, for example, meetings, concerts, performances, sports training, matches and competitions. However, this does not apply to sports training for children and young people born in 2005 or later.

-If possible, avoid having physical contact with people other than those you live with. This means, among other things, a dissuasion from arranging or participating in a party or similar social gathering.

josevolution

joseph33 said:

Trump= economy good,more positive cases more death. Biden=Economy goes into a depression,Corona is slowed,lives are saved. There you go!

I’ll take lives saved for a thousand Alex or how many could of been saved if Covidiot had taken all precautionary steps I’m sorry but I’m not looking at $ against human lives! You can keep your $$$