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  • tishtish taking the looooooong way,...Posts: 3,509
    edited May 6
    ^ My overall point or political concern is that children will get pressured to vaccinate to make up for adults who don't.
  • Weston1283Weston1283 Cleveland, OHPosts: 3,178
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,187
    I'm not really excited about any of that...

    This is either going to prove people right or dead wrong like what is happening in India.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,608
    I'm not really excited about any of that...

    This is either going to prove people right or dead wrong like what is happening in India.
    How is that comparable to India with the vaccination rates the States has? 
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,323
    I sit here, listening to a beautiful operatic voice and piano drifting through the window. A sign of the times, I suppose, that the Four Seasons next to us is hosting functions again.

    It sounds just lovely. 
  • tishtish taking the looooooong way,...Posts: 3,509
    My airline offered me a refund today for my March 2020 flight. 

    Glad to hear, Hedonist.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,734
    hedonist said:
    I sit here, listening to a beautiful operatic voice and piano drifting through the window. A sign of the times, I suppose, that the Four Seasons next to us is hosting functions again.

    It sounds just lovely. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,062
    edited May 6
    tish said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  
    Very concerned on this one. I have a 15 year old who is probably one of the healthiest kids I know. Antibiotics 1 time in her life. Never sick always active and eats healthy as can be. She wants it….would like to hold off for her. The peer pressure on these kids is going to be crushing….
    I agree news is already saying do it for your family or you'll kill them, more or less.


    You'll kill them?  The virus doesn't kill everybody, that is a proven fact already.  If that's not fear mongering.

    Do you have an article or link about this?
    After 15 months,we are still here? It doesn’t kill you but you pass it along and kills your neighbor.


    If science says the vaccines are safe, what is the issue?

    A simple solution. If you don’t get vaccinated when it’s approved and available, you don’t get hospital care if you get infected.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 6,183
    tish said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  
    Very concerned on this one. I have a 15 year old who is probably one of the healthiest kids I know. Antibiotics 1 time in her life. Never sick always active and eats healthy as can be. She wants it….would like to hold off for her. The peer pressure on these kids is going to be crushing….
    I agree news is already saying do it for your family or you'll kill them, more or less.


    You'll kill them?  The virus doesn't kill everybody, that is a proven fact already.  If that's not fear mongering.

    Do you have an article or link about this?

    If science says the vaccines are safe, what is the issue?

    A simple solution. If you don’t get vaccinated when it’s approved and available, you don’t get hospital care if you get infected.
    I’m not sure about denying hospital care (same could be said about cigarette smokers).  It would be fair to deny those people any other kind of COVID relief that may get passed around (tax breaks, etc), though.  Not sure how that would happen, though.
  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,608
    tish said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  
    Very concerned on this one. I have a 15 year old who is probably one of the healthiest kids I know. Antibiotics 1 time in her life. Never sick always active and eats healthy as can be. She wants it….would like to hold off for her. The peer pressure on these kids is going to be crushing….
    I agree news is already saying do it for your family or you'll kill them, more or less.


    You'll kill them?  The virus doesn't kill everybody, that is a proven fact already.  If that's not fear mongering.

    Do you have an article or link about this?

    If science says the vaccines are safe, what is the issue?

    A simple solution. If you don’t get vaccinated when it’s approved and available, you don’t get hospital care if you get infected.
    Curious on your thoughts on alcoholics and smokers getting treatment for their related diseases. 
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,221
    I'm never in favour of taking away necessary health care, even in cases where we believe that the person contributed to their own condition. None of us have perfect health habits. It's a mean-spirited approach that is bound to increae resentment. Shaming people rarely leads to positive changes in behaviour. 
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  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,608
    edited May 6
    It looks like experts are predicting that non essential travel between the US and Canada border is going to happen this summer or fall. Hope it happens this summer. Would love to do a trip to New Hampshire again.

    Also it is May already and summer is coming fast. It is odd thinking about the states opening up to us when at the moment I can not even go to a neighbouring province and I have friends and coworkers that think that will be closed throughout the summer. It is hard to listen to all of the negativity each and everyday to be honest. That for me has been the hardest part of the pandemic. The non stop talk about it. I know I am lucky if that is the worse thing that I can say about the virus but its still hard on the head. 

    edit: it would be one of the hardest parts. Restrictions on the kids and no concerts is up there as well. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,365
    PJNB said:
    It looks like experts are predicting that non essential travel between the US and Canada border is going to happen this summer or fall. Hope it happens this summer. Would love to do a trip to New Hampshire again.

    Also it is May already and summer is coming fast. It is odd thinking about the states opening up to us when at the moment I can not even go to a neighbouring province and I have friends and coworkers that think that will be closed throughout the summer. It is hard to listen to all of the negativity each and everyday to be honest. That for me has been the hardest part of the pandemic. The non stop talk about it. I know I am lucky if that is the worse thing that I can say about the virus but its still hard on the head. 

    edit: it would be one of the hardest parts. Restrictions on the kids and no concerts is up there as well. 
    we have an aa conference twice a year I am a part of that meets in oxley 45 min or so outside of windsor right on lake erie.

    missed the july conf last year and the feb this year. zoom is helpful but..... we all look forward to this retreat weekend. these people are like family. certainly hope we can organize and meet this year...

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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 23,323
    OnWis97 said:
    hedonist said:
    I sit here, listening to a beautiful operatic voice and piano drifting through the window. A sign of the times, I suppose, that the Four Seasons next to us is hosting functions again.

    It sounds just lovely. 
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,187
    tish said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    What's everyones feeling on vaccinations for 12-16 year olds?  A hard no?  Wait awhile?  Sign up now?

    My ex is a nurse practitioner and wants to get our 12 year old son vaccinated right away, I'm opting to wait a few months just to see how it goes.  
    Very concerned on this one. I have a 15 year old who is probably one of the healthiest kids I know. Antibiotics 1 time in her life. Never sick always active and eats healthy as can be. She wants it….would like to hold off for her. The peer pressure on these kids is going to be crushing….
    I agree news is already saying do it for your family or you'll kill them, more or less.


    You'll kill them?  The virus doesn't kill everybody, that is a proven fact already.  If that's not fear mongering.

    Do you have an article or link about this?
    After 15 months,we are still here? It doesn’t kill you but you pass it along and kills your neighbor.


    If science says the vaccines are safe, what is the issue?

    A simple solution. If you don’t get vaccinated when it’s approved and available, you don’t get hospital care if you get infected.
    Putting fear into your kid and telling them if you don’t get the vaccination it will kill them isn’t fucked up to you?  

    Yeah, after 15 months I thought we were way beyond that crap.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 27,187
    PJNB said:
    I'm not really excited about any of that...

    This is either going to prove people right or dead wrong like what is happening in India.
    How is that comparable to India with the vaccination rates the States has? 
    We may be opening up to capacity a little sooner than expected and it might be a bad idea, kind of like what India did.  Maybe not, but that is my correlation. 

    So, I am not excited about any of that.  You like Vegas?
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  • PJNBPJNB New BrunswickPosts: 8,608
    PJNB said:
    I'm not really excited about any of that...

    This is either going to prove people right or dead wrong like what is happening in India.
    How is that comparable to India with the vaccination rates the States has? 
    We may be opening up to capacity a little sooner than expected and it might be a bad idea, kind of like what India did.  Maybe not, but that is my correlation. 

    So, I am not excited about any of that.  You like Vegas?
    I was just commenting on the fact that the states are way ahead of India with vaccinating people and do not find it comparable since India really did not even close down. 

    I think too its too early for 100%. I would like a couple months of easing restrictions to see how it impacts the numbers. Open up as you go all of the way to 100%. I am curious though what some people are expecting when in the US everyone that wants the vaccine has gotten it and the numbers are low. That is coming in the next 60 days its looks like and the summer months are surely going to drop cases along with it. When is it ok to open up 100%? 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,365
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  • gvn2fly1421gvn2fly1421 Posts: 773
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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  • gvn2fly1421gvn2fly1421 Posts: 773
    And a little funny for all...  Have a good weekend and stay safe out there!!


  • static111static111 Posts: 2,540
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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    The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 27,993
    edited May 7
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 21,365
    umm no. 4 weeks past 2nd dose? wasted two vacation days.

    had little to no effects personally with pfizer except for sore arm.
    wife didnt with j&j.


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  • gvn2fly1421gvn2fly1421 Posts: 773
    static111 said:
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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    The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.
    So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

    My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

    It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
  • gvn2fly1421gvn2fly1421 Posts: 773
    Speaking of misinformation, CNN which has led the way on "panic porn" throughout the past year (especially with that real time death counter on the screen!!) had a doctor on who stated, "The vast majority of deaths are in the 18-54 age group and actually the 18-34 age group is more than half of the deaths right now in this country".  Scary right?  Starts around 1:58 and goes on to blame Joe Rogan.



    The problem is...  it is a flat out lie!  And she got called on it by numerous people.  Actual data below followed up by her replies.

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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 4,422
    And a little funny for all...  Have a good weekend and stay safe out there!!


    That video is hilarious. No matter how you feel about the pandemic that’s funny. 
  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,GreecePosts: 15,578
    static111 said:
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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    The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.
    So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

    My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

    It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,600
    static111 said:
    Does it concern anyone that the latest VAERS reports shows another 39,000 weekly reports bringing the total to 157,000+ instances, yet the only reporting we get on it is "something is wrong with the data"?  When the numbers were lower it was "Yes, these things will happen" but as the data is changing it is "something is wrong with the data".  For comparison, they received as many reports last week alone as they did all of last year for all vaccines.

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    The problem with vaers is that literally anyone can post anything, got a vaccine and then ate 5 burritos and had diarrhea? Bam vaccine side effect, your 90 year old grandma that was dying of Alzheimer’s gets the vaccine and dies a couple weeks later, bam side effect.   All of these events are gone over by doctors and scientists, and when links are established more research is done, which led to j&j being taken off the market for a time.  So I’m not worried about vaers data if t he scientists aren’t.
    So VAERS is a big ol' nothing burger.  Cool, I get it.  But in your example, if my 90 year old grandma caught covid, then passed two weeks later she would be counted as a covid death.  So why are we not treating the vaccines the same way?

    My dad who is retired and works for a major home improvement retailer lost a friend from work.  79 year old man who was three weeks removed from his second dose.  Heart attack.  Also found to have covid, and his death certificate had.... covid.  

    It's just weird to me that no one is really digging into this stuff.  By no one, I mean some of the major outlets.
    Oh I think the Ethical Skeptic is digging pretty hard, manipulating data, inventing misleading graphs, etc.  He's doing a bang up job.  Maybe if your dad's friend that died with COVID in his system wasn't classified as a COVID death, he'd still be alive.  
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