I had to out today to get food. For me, going out is like a mini reconnaissance mission- swift, accurate, and as untouchable as possible. Yet I see fewer masks this week than previous weeks. I, like others, predicted a lax attitude about the virus over a period of time and here we are. We'll see how the numbers turn. Got a bad feeling about it though.
If you’re in an area where people aren’t wearing masks, Brian, then wear an N95 if you have one. If not, I think they’re back on shelves.
A cloth mask won’t do much to protect you; it’s to protect all those assholes who apparently don’t give a shit about you.
I should heed this advice. Thank you!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I'm not even sure how to sum up how bonkers this story is. It doesn't shock me that the WHO got wrapped up in some bunk shit, but The Lancet and NEJM? Jesus. Just a reminder to have a little humility before you shriek about "science" to someone you disagree with.
Basically if you're going to scold someone for not listening to scientists, you better be pretty damn confident in who the scientists are listening to
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Really? Because some people on the internet know better? I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there. This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
Really? Because some people on the internet know better? I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there. This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
You're missing the point entirely. Scrutinize but also have humility. As someone who has relied upon these publications in my work for almost 20 years, it is astonishing what seems to have happened here.
Really? Because some people on the internet know better? I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there. This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
Yes. Scientists and journals make mistakes all the time. The difference is they admit it and course correct, that can't be said for the other side.
What is the data from the county you live in? Per Google which cites Wikipedia (are these what is considered valid source today?).
my county:
Population 31,000 COVID confirmed cases: 70 COVID confirmed deaths: 2
We are entering stage 3 next week if everything stays on track.
June 2 update:
Confirmed cases: 79 Confirmed deaths: 2
We are entering some stage ... who knows ... I feel like everyone said 'fuck it' this past weekend. Not seeing many masks, but I can't blame anyone as we have been getting shamed for a month and then the entire US decides to literally join arms ... usually not a bad thing!
Masks are the law inside stores in Virginia. Signs posted everywhere and stores will throw you out.
I'm seeing more wearing masks than not in SW Va but no one being told they have to..Some stores say required on the door and people inside arent wearing them.. I immediately count them as Trump supporters,,
Are you all the way down in Bristol area? SW is like a whole different world than where I am
Not quite..Roanoke...hour or two away from a little bit of everything...Really a nice place nestled in a valley that has grown quite a bit over the years.
Yes Roanoke is very nice. Plus you have some good colleges close too. Virginia is a beautiful state. There are so many different feeling regions.
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Really? Because some people on the internet know better? I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there. This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
You're missing the point entirely. Scrutinize but also have humility. As someone who has relied upon these publications in my work for almost 20 years, it is astonishing what seems to have happened here.
I recognize mistakes are made but I still will say that people should look to scientists and not politicians or Twitter/Facebook readers.
Really? Because some people on the internet know better? I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there. This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
You're missing the point entirely. Scrutinize but also have humility. As someone who has relied upon these publications in my work for almost 20 years, it is astonishing what seems to have happened here.
I recognize mistakes are made but I still will say that people should look to scientists and not politicians or Twitter/Facebook readers.
Yes, obviously. We seem to be talking about completely different things.
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That's really sad because in some ways, Sweden seems like a very together place. It looks like they really dropped the ball on this one. It's a bummer to hear about their high death rate, especially when the evidence was already out there that countries that quickly shut down have had lower death rates.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The Swedish epidemiologist
who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said
yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The
epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant
to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized
other countries.
The Guardian reported that
Sweden suffered the world’s highest per
capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some
other countries still have higher overall death rates.
A view from Gothenburg: “It was a
shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding
food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara
Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are
sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone
bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The
threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”
The Swedish epidemiologist
who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said
yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The
epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant
to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized
other countries.
The Guardian reported that
Sweden suffered the world’s highest per
capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some
other countries still have higher overall death rates.
A view from Gothenburg: “It was a
shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding
food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara
Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are
sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone
bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The
threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”
I just don't get it. I mean to get herd immunity 40-80 thousand people would have had to die in Sweden alone to achieve that if you factor in a 0.5% - 1% death rate. You are saying that you are ok with that happening by trying for herd immunity and now that you have higher deaths per capita you admit to making a mistake doing that? How did you not know that was going to be the result in the first place? It is simple math and now that the have a fairly high death count compared to everyone else per capita and a weak number up against herd immunity you are second guessing things? This is what you had planned on doing and these are the results anyone following this expected.
Also where is the right wing media on this? For weeks we kept hearing about ya but Sweden didn't do anything and they are doing great. Where are the follow up reports?
Edit: Sweden decided to try for herd immunity when we did not have an accurate death rate too (still waiting for one but we are getting closer). A lot of groups had it at 3% at that point.
The Swedish epidemiologist
who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said
yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The
epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant
to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized
other countries.
The Guardian reported that
Sweden suffered the world’s highest per
capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some
other countries still have higher overall death rates.
A view from Gothenburg: “It was a
shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding
food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara
Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are
sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone
bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The
threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”
the article in sweden also notes that 50% of the deaths were in nursing’s homes. Is Sweden the only country to have leaders to admit the may have made wrong decisions when dealing with an unknown pandemic? Why do we view that as a weakness? I’d rather have leaders who admit they were wrong and modify policy instead of never admitting they were wrong, doubling down on their wrong decision, and then spend resources on studies to justify the wrong decision to the public.
the article in sweden also notes that 50% of the deaths were in nursing’s homes. Is Sweden the only country to have leaders to admit the may have made wrong decisions when dealing with an unknown pandemic? Why do we view that as a weakness? I’d rather have leaders who admit they were wrong and modify policy instead of never admitting they were wrong, doubling down on their wrong decision, and then spend resources on studies to justify the wrong decision to the public.
yeah i can't make heads or tails of what's going on anymore. don't know what to believe. numbers skewed everywhere. the mindset of everyone seems to be "what virus?" Just thought i'd post for what it's worth (not much lol)
Our RNA sequencing told us weather cases were from China, Iran, Washington, or Eastern Canada/Europe. They are stressing borders at Washington and large gatherings as high risk. My area only had 1 new case in the last 2 weeks after we started re-opening businesses/restaurants. The next loosing of measures (such as school and parks came back this week) will inform us on our summer. Looks like we are going to keep going down into the summer.
Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show.
I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing.
Was thinking the same. A few weeks ago a group of 10 was a scary thought. Now groups of 10,000 are a daily occurrence.
Yup. This past week in NYC you could get in more trouble for dipping a toe in the ocean than looting department stores. Weird times. I really hope NYC doesn’t see a huge spike in Covid cases the next two weeks. Just as we’re making progress here.
Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show.
I don’t see why not. These protests pretty much put the nail in the coffin for social distancing.
Was thinking the same. A few weeks ago a group of 10 was a scary thought. Now groups of 10,000 are a daily occurrence.
Yup. This past week in NYC you could get in more trouble for dipping a toe in the ocean than looting department stores. Weird times. I really hope NYC doesn’t see a huge spike in Covid cases the next two weeks. Just as we’re making progress here.
I saw you guys had zero Covid deaths yesterday for the first time in months. Big milestone. Hope it continues for everyone's sake.
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I should heed this advice. Thank you!
Because some people on the internet know better?
I'll take a guess by WHO or affiliated groups over message board folks or Trump every day of the week
It is frustrating, no doubt, that so much erroneous information is out there.
This doesn't mean that I will stop looking for better sources and distance myself from the home based scientist using Google or facefool.
Sweden is rushing to launch a formal inquiry into its no-lockdown coronavirus strategy, as its death rate remains among the world's highest
https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-rushing-launch-formal-inquiry-122428968.htmlThat's really sad because in some ways, Sweden seems like a very together place. It looks like they really dropped the ball on this one. It's a bummer to hear about their high death rate, especially when the evidence was already out there that countries that quickly shut down have had lower death rates.
3. Swedish regrets
The Swedish epidemiologist who has overseen the country’s laissez-faire response to the coronavirus said yesterday that it should have taken more aggressive steps. The epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, had previously defended the approach — meant to build up “herd immunity,” by encouraging normal behavior — and criticized other countries.
The Guardian reported that Sweden suffered the world’s highest per capita death rate in the week that ended Tuesday, although some other countries still have higher overall death rates.
A view from Gothenburg: “It was a shock at first to see young people sitting in bars, office workers crowding food trucks and hair salons filled with clients,” says my colleague Lara Takenaga, who recently relocated to Sweden from New York. “There are sometimes signs in stores instructing you to keep two meters apart or a lone bottle of hand sanitizer, but no one wears face coverings or gloves. The threat of the virus feels distant — it’s almost like the Before Times.”
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
Also where is the right wing media on this? For weeks we kept hearing about ya but Sweden didn't do anything and they are doing great. Where are the follow up reports?
Edit: Sweden decided to try for herd immunity when we did not have an accurate death rate too (still waiting for one but we are getting closer). A lot of groups had it at 3% at that point.
No Swedish regrets
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/sweden-won-t-abandon-covid-strategy-despite-admitting-to-errors
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
BC released new modelling today. You can see the slides above and the youtube link below walks you through the slides.
Our RNA sequencing told us weather cases were from China, Iran, Washington, or Eastern Canada/Europe. They are stressing borders at Washington and large gatherings as high risk. My area only had 1 new case in the last 2 weeks after we started re-opening businesses/restaurants. The next loosing of measures (such as school and parks came back this week) will inform us on our summer. Looks like we are going to keep going down into the summer.
Cheers!
Wonder if Texas will be getting large concerts again this year too. 50% at a stadium is still over double an arena show.
Had a good laugh at this probably more than I should have. This is not aimed at anyone here btw.