The Democratic Presidential Debates

oftenreading

Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore. 

Spiritual_Chaos

oftenreading said:

Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore. 

yep

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Use the ignore feature if you wish. Read all, some, or none of the posts, it’s up to you, but it seems kind of shitty to make a big deal about who you have on ignore. 

I think it’s not even worth using. You still see the posts in quotes, and if someone you have on ignore comments beneath your own post, it’s hard not to assume they’re responding to you and click to see their post. Skimming past annoying posts or posters is a better way to ignore them than the actual ignore feature I think. 

brianlux

LOL.  Well, I tried to get us back on topic.  I guess it back to the lounge for some more coffee! 

dignin

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

Halifax2TheMax

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

brianlux

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

No belly achin' here.

I think what Yang said in the clip above is a great idea.  At least a couple of the candidates need to drop out and give their support to one of the moderates.  I like a lot of Bernie's ideas, but his chances of beating Trump?  I'm doubtful.   One of the moderate candidates probably have a much better chance of winning. 

That said, if Bernie gets the nomination, I'm going hoping most Dems will stand behind him and hopefully beat Trump. 

ecdanc

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

mcgruff10

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Gern Blansten

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

ecdanc

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Sanders is the only DNC (or RNC) candidate for whom I would consider voting. 

mcgruff10

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

ecdanc

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

So selfless. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

lol. 

this is why the US wont reach the very baseline of a humane society. 

because: me me me

fuck the climate AM I RITE

ecdanc

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

If anyone has ever wondered what I mean when I say “Trump is the apotheosis of American democracy” (not a threat to it), mcG’s post captures it.                      .

brianlux

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

With Bernie you would not get:

-A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.

-The dismantling of environmental protections.

-Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).

-Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.

-A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.

mcgruff10

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

So selfless. 

Wondering if I could provide for my family before supporting a candidate is a pretty legit question.   

mcgruff10

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

If anyone has ever wondered what I mean when I say “Trump is the apotheosis of American democracy” (not a threat to it), mcG’s post captures it.                      .

I don't follow, explain it to me professor.

mcgruff10

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

Honestly, McG, I would worry about that.  No way would Bernie get his most progressive ideas past congress.  I think it's more about what you would not get with Bernie in the White House than you with with Trump. 

With Bernie you would not get:

-A wall that does little besides eat up a lot of money and disrupt migratory patterns of wildlife.

-The dismantling of environmental protections.

-Corporate welfare (it would still exist, but not the the obscene degree it does today).

-Military actions carried out by an irrational man without consent of congress.

-A perverted president who brags about grabbing pussy.

And I think you would find Bernie more helpful to teachers than Trump does.  Trump cares little about education.

Again Bernie gets in and passes free healthcare or free higher education....how much are my taxes going up?  Will I able to afford my home?  I think those are pretty legit questions to ask yourself before supporting a candidate.  

ecdanc

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

If anyone has ever wondered what I mean when I say “Trump is the apotheosis of American democracy” (not a threat to it), mcG’s post captures it.                      .

I don't follow, explain it to me professor.

You've stated quite explicitly here that your refusal to vote for Bernie Sanders comes from self-interest. My primary critique of democracy is that individual and collective self-interest translate to systemic violence (economic and/or literal violence) against others. Donald Trump is both an extreme instance of (almost a caricature of) self-interest and his election came from a variety of individuals voting for their own self-interest (economic, racist, etc.). Your self-professed reasoning for how you vote (expressed most clearly in your refusal to vote for Sanders) is precisely the type of political activity that put Trump in power. He is the apotheosis of the system for/of which you appear to be a proponent and practitioner.