I put my hand out, opened the door, whatever you'd like to call it... for civility and maybe some mutual "agree to disagree" out there and you spat it back in my face at every opportunity, while trying to simply debate a topic. There's enough stress in life with everything going on right now to be spoke to in this manner. I come here as a distraction, not to be bullied in a debate. You have a good time if that works for you. It doesn't for me... So we'll see ya around.. peace..
I apologize. I was overly direct with you, and as usual, hyper-rational which is a downfall of mine. In no way are my posts ever meant to be personal towards the person, but I will personalize my angle. I will say that I'm tired of some Bernie supporters (I don't know if you're actually a supporter nor am I saying this is about you). For two election cycles now, I've been told:
1. It was rigged.. look at the exit polls, look how this precinct closed early, look how Klobuchar and Pete dropped out together. 2. I can't possibly understand Bernie's policies, otherwise I would vote for them. 3. Some variation between corporatists and establishment screwing all the Democrats again.
Unfortunately Bernie had a clear runway, certainly here in 20, to take the nomination. The fact of the matter is he could not expand his coalition. He never got me, and he never got many of us here on the boards. Maybe his ideas are great and he's a bad messenger. Maybe the majority of Democrats simply pretty much like the way things are, but they want them to improve...incrementally. That's where I am and it's where lots of people I know are. I hang out with a shit ton of Democrats, and very few were Sanders supporters. We just want him work with Biden to incorporate SOME of his ideas (some are already there, he moved Biden left) and get on board with beating Trump. Move on...
So I don't need anyone telling me what's best for my family.
'my car has no seatbelts'
No, not the same analogy. I'm not arguing for no insurance, I'm arguing for choice of insurance.
My car has seatbelts. But sometimes I don't wear it?
hmmmm.. I don't know. It is an interesting argument though (not related to health). Look at the evolution. We went from no seat belts, to some seat belts, to mandatory seat belts, to seat belt laws. That evolution started with Robert McNamara (Best and the Brightest!) as a Whiz Kid at Ford and took nearly 40 years to complete the circle.
So I don't need anyone telling me what's best for my family.
'my car has no seatbelts'
No, not the same analogy. I'm not arguing for no insurance, I'm arguing for choice of insurance.
My car has seatbelts. But sometimes I don't wear it?
hmmmm.. I don't know. It is an interesting argument though (not related to health). Look at the evolution. We went from no seat belts, to some seat belts, to mandatory seat belts, to seat belt laws. That evolution started with Robert McNamara (Best and the Brightest!) as a Whiz Kid at Ford and took nearly 40 years to complete the circle.
I thought it started with Nader? Unsafe At Any Speed
So I don't need anyone telling me what's best for my family.
'my car has no seatbelts'
No, not the same analogy. I'm not arguing for no insurance, I'm arguing for choice of insurance.
My car has seatbelts. But sometimes I don't wear it?
hmmmm.. I don't know. It is an interesting argument though (not related to health). Look at the evolution. We went from no seat belts, to some seat belts, to mandatory seat belts, to seat belt laws. That evolution started with Robert McNamara (Best and the Brightest!) as a Whiz Kid at Ford and took nearly 40 years to complete the circle.
I thought it started with Nader? Unsafe At Any Speed
If im not mistaken Mac is the one who made them standard in Ford. Nader was the advocate for required by law through the transportation safety act. By that point, Mac was Sec'y of Defense.
I put my hand out, opened the door, whatever you'd like to call it... for civility and maybe some mutual "agree to disagree" out there and you spat it back in my face at every opportunity, while trying to simply debate a topic. There's enough stress in life with everything going on right now to be spoke to in this manner. I come here as a distraction, not to be bullied in a debate. You have a good time if that works for you. It doesn't for me... So we'll see ya around.. peace..
Unfortunately Bernie had a clear runway, certainly here in 20, to take the nomination. The fact of the matter is he could not expand his coalition. He never got me, and he never got many of us here on the boards.
Berniebrosisesitis needs to be cured. Bernie lost. He’s done. Get over it. Move on. Or not. Like M4A would save us now? And Hillary would have been worse. Sure.
Berniebrosisesitis needs to be cured. Bernie lost. He’s done. Get over it. Move on. Or not. Like M4A would save us now? And Hillary would have been worse. Sure.
The best part is: Hillary did more to provide health care than Bernie ever will accomplish.
Come-on........ You're obviously smart enough know that "Corporate Democrat" doesn't mean a democrat that works for a corporation.. I worked for one of the largest Oil & Gas Corporations in the world for 30 years.. so what? I have always been liberal... always considered myself a democrat. I just want the party to be more progressive.
I'm for Medicare for All... Why shouldn't everyone get the care I could get working for a big company? Biden is against it.. I cannot support him unless there is no other option left.... and here we find ourself back in the loop......... ::shrug:::
Biden - 2 options: 1) Medicare for anyone who wants it 2) Private Health Care
Sanders - 1 option: 1) Medicare
I couldn't support Sanders as a primary candidate until he introduces some fucking strategy into how he proposes getting things done. You want 1 option? Great. Do what the public will do: assume that the government will bungle it first, provide it as an option, optimize it, and you won't have a problem getting all to pivot to it over a few years if you can provide the quality. The absence of that will lead to people potentially receiving a lesser quality of service than they're used to, and guess what, people don't like that risk. If M4A is so vastly superior, you'll see that shift organically as people see the value instead of hear it from Bernie Sanders shouting it at you.
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^^ I can’t believe this is the best the Dems could come up with. Out of like twenty candidates. Sad to see cause I like Biden, but Jesus, just keep as low a profile as you can and let Trump fuck up the virus response. The less Joe talks, the better. If not for the Coronavirus, I think Trump would steamroll him. But Trump has been so overwhelmingly bad with his response to the virus that even good ole Joe has a chance.
^^ I can’t believe this is the best the Dems could come up with. Out of like twenty candidates. Sad to see cause I like Biden, but Jesus, just keep as low a profile as you can and let Trump fuck up the virus response. The less Joe talks, the better. If not for the Coronavirus, I think Trump would steamroll him. But Trump has been so overwhelmingly bad with his response to the virus that even good ole Joe has a chance.
The Truthsayer Mooch yesterday changed his prediction from Trump likely loses to reelection now is 50/50. I a very concerned he will get a covid bump. If this crisis extends it will make attacking trump very difficult in the fall.
Our bizarre social and political rules prevent many qualified candidates from winning in the US.
You have watched one of Cuomo’s pressers? He is articulate, straight with the facts, full of reason and compassion and filled with informative power point slides. The exact opposite of trump. But he can never win. Personally, a close relative works in a partially regulated field, Cuomo has caused a lot of grief with his authoritarian orders, but they are always about safety. The problem is Cuomo shifts govt responsibility to the private sector, because he is dictator. I think even with that, his response to this crisis we are changing our opinion about Cuomo.
^^ I can’t believe this is the best the Dems could come up with. Out of like twenty candidates. Sad to see cause I like Biden, but Jesus, just keep as low a profile as you can and let Trump fuck up the virus response. The less Joe talks, the better. If not for the Coronavirus, I think Trump would steamroll him. But Trump has been so overwhelmingly bad with his response to the virus that even good ole Joe has a chance.
Should have gone with the best one (other than wildcard Bernie and Bernie-light Liz):
Too bad he didn't go further.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
^^ I can’t believe this is the best the Dems could come up with. Out of like twenty candidates. Sad to see cause I like Biden, but Jesus, just keep as low a profile as you can and let Trump fuck up the virus response. The less Joe talks, the better. If not for the Coronavirus, I think Trump would steamroll him. But Trump has been so overwhelmingly bad with his response to the virus that even good ole Joe has a chance.
The Truthsayer Mooch yesterday changed his prediction from Trump likely loses to reelection now is 50/50. I a very concerned he will get a covid bump. If this crisis extends it will make attacking trump very difficult in the fall.
Our bizarre social and political rules prevent many qualified candidates from winning in the US.
You have watched one of Cuomo’s pressers? He is articulate, straight with the facts, full of reason and compassion and filled with informative power point slides. The exact opposite of trump. But he can never win. Personally, a close relative works in a partially regulated field, Cuomo has caused a lot of grief with his authoritarian orders, but they are always about safety. The problem is Cuomo shifts govt responsibility to the private sector, because he is dictator. I think even with that, his response to this crisis we are changing our opinion about Cuomo.
Yeah I’ve liked Cuomo through this whole thing. He’s way more of a leader than Trump (I know, who isn’t?) and he really seems sincere and passionate about helping his people.
^^ I can’t believe this is the best the Dems could come up with. Out of like twenty candidates. Sad to see cause I like Biden, but Jesus, just keep as low a profile as you can and let Trump fuck up the virus response. The less Joe talks, the better. If not for the Coronavirus, I think Trump would steamroll him. But Trump has been so overwhelmingly bad with his response to the virus that even good ole Joe has a chance.
We had 20 candidates. It's not like the "Dems" drafted their best 20 and this was it. You choose from what's available.
What's wrong with this interview? You've never been on a conference call and people keep talking and pausing at the same time?
I don't think he's referring to the talking and pausing due to the conference call lag. I think he's referring to Biden himself saying "that's a stupid way to say it" at the beginning, and then saying "he shouldn't have said it that way" towards the end. That's all, just awkwardness.
Frankly, I think this virus is a Godsend for the Biden candidacy. He doesn't have to travel and campaign which is good. And really, he should just keep a low profile for the next month or two and let Trump beat himself...because that's what Trump's doing right now.
Shouldn’t he act like a president? I mean he is president and so wouldn’t logic dictate that everything he does is acting like a president? I mean I despise trump but he does currently hold the title.
What's wrong with this interview? You've never been on a conference call and people keep talking and pausing at the same time?
I don't think he's referring to the talking and pausing due to the conference call lag. I think he's referring to Biden himself saying "that's a stupid way to say it" at the beginning, and then saying "he shouldn't have said it that way" towards the end. That's all, just awkwardness.
Frankly, I think this virus is a Godsend for the Biden candidacy. He doesn't have to travel and campaign which is good. And really, he should just keep a low profile for the next month or two and let Trump beat himself...because that's what Trump's doing right now.
I don't know... it makes him more 'real' to me.
I also don't know how this will affect the campaign. People gravitate to leadership during times of crisis. So Trump has a natural advantage in this, but he can certainly blow it (and has been).
Shouldn’t he act like a president? I mean he is president and so wouldn’t logic dictate that everything he does is acting like a president? I mean I despise trump but he does currently hold the title.
he is president being trump.
so I'll ask you to define "acting like a president" which on its face suggest he isnt a president if he acting LIKE one.
as president theres been little to nothing presidential about anything he has done or said.
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Shouldn’t he act like a president? I mean he is president and so wouldn’t logic dictate that everything he does is acting like a president? I mean I despise trump but he does currently hold the title.
he is president being trump.
so I'll ask you to define "acting like a president" which on its face suggest he isnt a president if he acting LIKE one.
as president theres been little to nothing presidential about anything he has done or said.
I get what you mean, but having had so many presidents what exactly does presidential even mean. I mean the guy is out there being himself which is what all presidents have ever done. Good or bad it’s still presidential. It’s like a huge bell curve. He’s on the bad end of presidential behavior but he is still presidential by virtue of being president.
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1. It was rigged.. look at the exit polls, look how this precinct closed early, look how Klobuchar and Pete dropped out together.
2. I can't possibly understand Bernie's policies, otherwise I would vote for them.
3. Some variation between corporatists and establishment screwing all the Democrats again.
Unfortunately Bernie had a clear runway, certainly here in 20, to take the nomination. The fact of the matter is he could not expand his coalition. He never got me, and he never got many of us here on the boards. Maybe his ideas are great and he's a bad messenger. Maybe the majority of Democrats simply pretty much like the way things are, but they want them to improve...incrementally. That's where I am and it's where lots of people I know are. I hang out with a shit ton of Democrats, and very few were Sanders supporters. We just want him work with Biden to incorporate SOME of his ideas (some are already there, he moved Biden left) and get on board with beating Trump. Move on...
Peace, as always.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
because mandated m4a gets us four more years of trump. You know, that crazy fella who wants everyone back on the streets Monday.
because. You know. His wealthy buddies need their slaves back at work. 2 million deaths be damned.
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Bernie needs to drop out.
She was critical is passing SCHIP.
Bernie: willing to ignore boomers in the name of progress
🤔
Oops, guess I will just share this again from CM.
Fuck you Trump!
1) Medicare for anyone who wants it
2) Private Health Care
Sanders - 1 option:
1) Medicare
I couldn't support Sanders as a primary candidate until he introduces some fucking strategy into how he proposes getting things done. You want 1 option? Great. Do what the public will do: assume that the government will bungle it first, provide it as an option, optimize it, and you won't have a problem getting all to pivot to it over a few years if you can provide the quality. The absence of that will lead to people potentially receiving a lesser quality of service than they're used to, and guess what, people don't like that risk. If M4A is so vastly superior, you'll see that shift organically as people see the value instead of hear it from Bernie Sanders shouting it at you.
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But what is this weird dude still doing in the race
Haha.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Our bizarre social and political rules prevent many qualified candidates from winning in the US.
You have watched one of Cuomo’s pressers? He is articulate, straight with the facts, full of reason and compassion and filled with informative power point slides. The exact opposite of trump. But he can never win. Personally, a close relative works in a partially regulated field, Cuomo has caused a lot of grief with his authoritarian orders, but they are always about safety. The problem is Cuomo shifts govt responsibility to the private sector, because he is dictator. I think even with that, his response to this crisis we are changing our opinion about Cuomo.
Too bad he didn't go further.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
Frankly, I think this virus is a Godsend for the Biden candidacy. He doesn't have to travel and campaign which is good. And really, he should just keep a low profile for the next month or two and let Trump beat himself...because that's what Trump's doing right now.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
I also don't know how this will affect the campaign. People gravitate to leadership during times of crisis. So Trump has a natural advantage in this, but he can certainly blow it (and has been).
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
There are no kings inside the gates of eden