The Democratic Presidential Debates

The Juggler

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

F Me In The Brain

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

ecdanc

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

"When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?"

Perhaps you would care to answer that question?

The Juggler

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

Spiritual_Chaos

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

In the end, hopefully it should cost the average person something like the blue bars in this graph instead of that winning red one. If you are lucky maybe people will live longer, and less babies will die when born also:

ecdanc

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

The Juggler

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

Not how it was done, friend. 

mcgruff10

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

That definitely wasnt true for New Jersey.  We picked up four house seats by running a more moderate candidate. 

The Juggler

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

In the end, hopefully it should cost the average person something like the blue bars in this graph instead of that winning red one. If you are lucky maybe people will live longer, and less babies will die when born also:

As an astute follower of American politics, please articulate how the Dems will not only flip the senate, but gain 20+ more seats to make this happen. Because if they don’t, there is a less than zero chance of it happening. I’ll wait. 

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

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mcgruff10 said:

what dreams said:

eddiec said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

dignin said:

Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.

Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.

We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.

So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?

I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders.  If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.  

Ridiculous

Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life.  If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up?  Will I still be able to afford my home?  

You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place. 
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s

Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted. 

I lose around 5k with his plan.   Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.  

If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.

This is hyperbole, is it not?  No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster".  if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.

He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic. 

having ”universal healthcare” is the very baseline, because it is a human right. I happen to believe. 

i am not being hyperbolic. 

And with every major country but one having it, it seems its not very controversial either. 

But please, prove me wrong. Inam open to change. 

The only reason I wouldn't say healthcare is a human right is because it requires education and training to provide it. It's not the same as agreeing not to harm someone or allowing people to peacefully practice their religion. 

I think it's in whatever the next tier down is with things like food and housing. Even as a libertarian, I'm fine with some government inefficiency in developing programs for assistance. I'd want them at the state level and with good oversight. 

There are certainly issues with the healthcare system here, but the elderly (Medicare) and indigent (Medicaid) are generally pretty well supported. The biggest barrier in those cases is education. There are many, many uncovered people who are eligible for a variety of programs but it's harder than you might think to get the word out. But that could be another thread entirely. 

Well, that is focusing on a specific word chosen. Change the UN term of "human right" to "the right of being a citizen of a country" then.

My point still stand.

I guess in that regard then, no, a government shouldn't provide healthcare for every single citizen. There should be programs to cover vulnerable populations but people who can afford to pay for a health plan should.

All other major countries (paying roughly half for their healthcare): 




The best working model for building a society spewing this like a vicious battle-rap to that libertarian thing you got going:

The United Nations World Happiness Report shows that the happiest nations are concentrated in social democratic nations, especially in Northern Europe, where the Nordic model is dominant. This is at times attributed to the success of the Nordic model in the region, where similar democratic socialist, labourist and social democratic parties dominated the region's political scene and laid the ground to their universalistic welfare states in the 20th century. The Nordic countries, including Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden as well as Greenland and the Faroe Islands, also ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, economic equality, public health, life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity, quality of life and human development while countries practicing a neoliberal form of government have registered relatively poorer results.[436][437] Similar reports have likewise listed Scandinavian and other social democratic countries as ranking high on indicators such as civil liberties,[438] democracy,[439] press,[440] labour and economic freedoms,[441][442] peace[443] and freedom from corruption.[444] Numerous studies and surveys indicate that people tend to live happier lives in countries ruled by social democratic parties, compared to countries ruled by neoliberal, centrist, or right-wing governments.[445][446][447][448]

mrussel1

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

That definitely wasnt true for New Jersey.  We picked up four house seats by running a more moderate candidate. 

It's a fantasy statement.  My district flipped from 40 years of Republican to a Democrat and the woman who won (Abigail Spanberger) is a former CIA officer, MBA from UVA and a dyed in the wool moderate.  

ecdanc

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

That definitely wasnt true for New Jersey.  We picked up four house seats by running a more moderate candidate. 

Ok, fine. My post was hasty and in an effort to say one thing, I said something different that is untrue. Apologies. 

ecdanc

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

That definitely wasnt true for New Jersey.  We picked up four house seats by running a more moderate candidate. 

It's a fantasy statement.  My district flipped from 40 years of Republican to a Democrat and the woman who won (Abigail Spanberger) is a former CIA officer, MBA from UVA and a dyed in the wool moderate.  

I'm seeping through!

mickeyrat

mcgruff10 said:

ecdanc said:

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

By running candidates farther to the Left. That's how. 

That definitely wasnt true for New Jersey.  We picked up four house seats by running a more moderate candidate. 

yeah. I think the farther left candidates were from D safe districts.

many of the seats that actually flipped were done in large part by talking local issues and distancing from dnc help.......

by moderates

ecdanc

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cincybearcat

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

I did not see it. Did he really say that?

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

In the end, hopefully it should cost the average person something like the blue bars in this graph instead of that winning red one. If you are lucky maybe people will live longer, and less babies will die when born also:

Changing the payor doesn't change the spending. How does he intend to reduce spending/costs?

cincybearcat

The Juggler said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

That he doesn't know what his plan will cost is frightful.  What a joke 😂

The scarier thing is that the extremist supporters don't care - it doesn't matter to them. (sound like another group?)

I don't think it mattered, overall, but Bernie is the worst option from this group to have a shot at beating Trump.

It also pains me to think I would ever vote for this guy, buy I prefer a change from Trump....even if it has to be the other extremist group in our country.

For sure. I would vote for Spiritual Chaos over Trump. Haha. 

But yeah, man. I never thought I’d vote for Hillary and now...this. Really sucks. 

I follow a lot of the Never Trumper people on Twitter. They’re coming out and saying they can’t vote for Bernie. 

It should be simple. Look how you flipped the house a year and a half ago. Just fucking do that again. You put up a democratic socialist against an authoritarian populist, it’s only going to divide the country further and leave even more people in the middle without a home. 

Primaries are for the fringes and give us worse candidates. 

ecdanc

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

In the end, hopefully it should cost the average person something like the blue bars in this graph instead of that winning red one. If you are lucky maybe people will live longer, and less babies will die when born also:

Changing the payor doesn't change the spending. How does he intend to reduce spending/costs?

I can't speak for Bernie Sanders, but I have some ideas. Eliminate profit. 

cincybearcat

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The Juggler said:

Oh man. That 60 Minutes interview was bad. 

Saying “I don’t know” when asked about how many trillions his plans (that will never get enacted) will cost. 

Praising Fidel Castro. 

Folks, this was an interview with ANDERSON COOPER. 

This is nightmare scenario for those of us who just want to defeat Trump. Ugh. 

In the end, hopefully it should cost the average person something like the blue bars in this graph instead of that winning red one. If you are lucky maybe people will live longer, and less babies will die when born also:

Changing the payor doesn't change the spending. How does he intend to reduce spending/costs?

Well I think part of it is removing a significant amount of administrative costs. They provide no value just wasted $. I certainly like that aspect. I also am fully on board with no pre-existing condition exclusions. And with people having access to heath care.

Im not an expert but my opinion is the move towards it at pace is better. Have it as an option, if it’s the best option more people will move to it.  

It certainly should be more of an unifying issue than it is really.  Now some of the other policies get pretty confrontational.