The Democratic Presidential Debates
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pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.OK, so you were talking about one person. Sorry if I misunderstood. I was under the impression you meant it in a broader sense.I wouldn't get too hopped up on what one person says. You can always do the ignore button thing (I do, but I don't need an ignore button. I have the ability to do that on my own.)"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Where’s the lie?pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.0 -
He was also called a bad person by a second person. It's not like they were having a reasoned policy discussion and I came in over the top.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.OK, so you were talking about one person. Sorry if I misunderstood. I was under the impression you meant it in a broader sense.I wouldn't get too hopped up on what one person says. You can always do the ignore button thing (I do, but I don't need an ignore button. I have the ability to do that on my own.)
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t you say you don’t vote?ecdanc said:
Where’s the lie?pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.
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OK fine. I'm not trying to box you. Carry on.pjl44 said:
He was also called a bad person by a second person. It's not like they were having a reasoned policy discussion and I came in over the top.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.OK, so you were talking about one person. Sorry if I misunderstood. I was under the impression you meant it in a broader sense.I wouldn't get too hopped up on what one person says. You can always do the ignore button thing (I do, but I don't need an ignore button. I have the ability to do that on my own.)
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s0 -
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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Generally, no. But I always remain open to exceptions.mcgruff10 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t you say you don’t vote?ecdanc said:
Where’s the lie?pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.
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Show me some numbers.eddiec said:
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Is it weird to reject selfishness? Am I the weirdo?pjl44 said:
He was also called a bad person by a second person. It's not like they were having a reasoned policy discussion and I came in over the top.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
He was told that his vote was representative of "why the US can't reach the baseline of a humane society." I am not being hyperbolic.brianlux said:pjl44 said:
If you were a lower income person and voted for Trump you'd get scolded for stupidly voting against your interests. Since you're considering voting for Trump and in your interest, you're scolded for being a heartless monster. It's futile to even engage.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
This is hyperbole, is it not? No one here has called McG or you a "heartless monster". if you are going to make up things that have not been said then, yes, the discussion if futile.OK, so you were talking about one person. Sorry if I misunderstood. I was under the impression you meant it in a broader sense.I wouldn't get too hopped up on what one person says. You can always do the ignore button thing (I do, but I don't need an ignore button. I have the ability to do that on my own.)0 -
Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?cincybearcat said:
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
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Again, it's on his web page.mcgruff10 said:
Show me some numbers.eddiec said:
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.Post edited by eddiec on0 -
cincybearcat said:
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
I don't do our tax so I'm not exactly sure, but our approximate annual "disposable" income (what a weird term!) under Bernie's tax plan would increase by around $3,000. Hot damn! More tithing money to give to my favorite environmental organizations!
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Not sure. I’ll have to look.F Me In The Brain said:
Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?cincybearcat said:
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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I will check it out. Thanks.eddiec said:
Again, it's on his web page.mcgruff10 said:
Show me some numbers.eddiec said:
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I did mine, and my effective tax rate goes up by 7 points. But there's a hidden cost that is not on the website. Most of Bernie's plan uses emplolyer taxes to fund the program. His estimate is 7.5% of the employees salary That's a fairly substantial increase. Now before anyone starts talking about Amazon not paying taxes, that's an outlier and none of us work for Amazon. Most companies, particularly small and medium businesses, pay a solid tax rate. And there's no indication that it will replace the current employer obligation. It appears to be additive. So when you increase taxes by 7.5% X salary expense, that will translate to lower wages generally. TNSTAAFL.mcgruff10 said:
Show me some numbers.eddiec said:
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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Waiving tuition college debt is a regressive tax. It benefits those in society most likely to earn more (college graduates). Whatever tax money is allocated to this benefit should be solely targeted to the last advantaged in our society, not to middle and upper class income families. The goal of the program should be to increase college participation for the lower income levels.eddiec said:
Again, it's on his web page.mcgruff10 said:
Show me some numbers.eddiec said:
What if it meant reducing the cost of college for your kids? That costs a lot more than 5k.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s
https://berniesanders.com/issues/free-college-cancel-debt/
I think people are looking at the short term instead of looking at the future. Which is normal. When we think of earning less each fiscal year, there's an immediate reaction to oppose it. But college has become a tremendous burden on most families. Paying more taxes of a few grand each year is nothing compared to the cost of putting several kids through college.0 -
If it does work, his plan actually doesn’t hurt me.cincybearcat said:
Not sure. I’ll have to look.F Me In The Brain said:
Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?cincybearcat said:
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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Until your company cuts the work force by 7%, forgoes merit increases, bonuses, etc. Remember the big nut of this will be paid by your company. You may also need to buy supplemental insurance, like most medicare patients do. And I believe many in Canada do the same. Devil is in the details, not the website run by the candidate.Ledbetterman10 said:
If it does work, his plan actually doesn’t hurt me.cincybearcat said:
Not sure. I’ll have to look.F Me In The Brain said:
Anything to validate that this thing is accurate?cincybearcat said:
https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;sLedbetterman10 said:
How do you go about calculating what you’d lose under his plan? I’d like to figure that out.cincybearcat said:
Yeah it was like $6k for me based on some average spending. But in reality, it’s a little more since I didn’t spend that much.mcgruff10 said:
I lose around 5k with his plan. Sounds like a guy I should vote for lol.what dreams said:
Interesting -- thanks, EddieC. I just went to the site and learned my annual disposable income would go DOWN under Sanders's tax plan -- just what I predicted.eddiec said:
You can go to Bernie's website and put in your family income and health care costs to see how his policies would personally affect you if his plans were put into place.mcgruff10 said:
Trump is a complete piece of shit but ya know what, him being a piece of shit has absolutely no bearing on my day to day life. If bernie gets elected and passes all his progressive ideas how much will my taxes go up? Will I still be able to afford my home?Gern Blansten said:
Ridiculousmcgruff10 said:
I'd support any Democratic candidate except for Sanders. If he wins I won't pout I just won't vote for him.ecdanc said:
So, if someone refuses to support a candidate other than Sanders they're pouting? If they refuse to support Sanders....they're what?Halifax2TheMax said:
We’re getting 4 more years of Team Trump Treason, with or without Bernie. With because indies and blue dog dems ain’t voting for a socialist, whether they understand the difference between democratic socialist and socialist(ism), or not and without because if the party nominee isn’t Bernie, the Berniebrosises will stay home and pout out of spite. Relying on the “young” to carry the day is a fool’s errand.dignin said:Everyone better get used to the idea of Bernie Sanders as the democratic nominee. Its looking very likely. All the belly aching isn't going to change it.
Unless of course your want another 4 years of Trump, if so, carry on.
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