Trump won Super Tuesday over Cruz by 35 delegates and the vote was 34% to 29%. Seems very close in comparison
Yet trumps perceived strength from that day expanded his power over voters in the following races. He never looked back and never had to grant concessions.
A couple weeks after Super Tuesday trump essentially declared himself nominee by announcing he was done with debates and the remaing debates never happened.
While biden has a much more decisive win and is being leveraged by the loser.
This is why Democrats lose elections.
So Democrats should be more like Republicans? check. It’s looking more and more like election 2016 out there.
Instead of name calling them maybe consider there is a valuable lesson to be learned.
Biden needs to build his organization, raise funds, and focus the attack on Republicans and trump.
Giving sanders one more day the ability to attack ANY other democrat only helps trump win and possibly gets us a Republican supreme court for 40 years. You'll never see any Sanders pie in the sky policy if that happens or at least until everyone on this forum is grandparent age.
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Tulsi did and endorsed Biden. I'm surprised she didn't endorse Trump.
me too
I thought for sure she was going to muck things up by running 3rd party
This was a smart thing for her to do
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think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
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think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
That depends on what the goal is. If the goal is to remove Trump from office, then it would be moronic for Biden to exit the race. The pragmatic solution is for each state to exclusively allow voting by mail.
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think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
no. next question?
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think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
There's no comparing the process of state primaries to a one day general election. This feels like a troll statement, not a serious one.
think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
There's no comparing the process of state primaries to a one day general election. This feels like a troll statement, not a serious one.
I’m just tired of the anti Bernie, deal with it sentiment. Sorry there are millions of people that support an extremely progressive platform. Some of those people may sit out the election if they don’t feel that there is some compromise that they can get behind. A majority of those millions do indeed feel that if Joe wants their vote he needs to prove that he will be about more than a safe incremental change. If not we are facing 2016 again, not because of Bernie and his supporters aren’t falling in line, but because the DNC won’t just “deal with it” and admit that they need to take a more drastic position. If Biden loses to Trump after the pathetic handling of corona virus Democrats and Joe won’t be able to blame “berniebros” or Bernie. You want the millions of votes that the progressive left can provide, The best way isn’t to say ok get out of our way and get over your political beliefs because we think Trump is the most important issue of our day. As others have said Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But you know clip clop horseshoes, deal with it, Bernie bro’s, trolling, unrealistic, stop being stubborn,get with the program....that’s great messaging.
think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
There's no comparing the process of state primaries to a one day general election. This feels like a troll statement, not a serious one.
I’m just tired of the anti Bernie, deal with it sentiment. Sorry there are millions of people that support an extremely progressive platform. Some of those people may sit out the election if they don’t feel that there is some compromise that they can get behind. A majority of those millions do indeed feel that if Joe wants their vote he needs to prove that he will be about more than a safe incremental change. If not we are facing 2016 again, not because of Bernie and his supporters aren’t falling in line, but because the DNC won’t just “deal with it” and admit that they need to take a more drastic position. If Biden loses to Trump after the pathetic handling of corona virus Democrats and Joe won’t be able to blame “berniebros” or Bernie. You want the millions of votes that the progressive left can provide, The best way isn’t to say ok get out of our way and get over your political beliefs because we think Trump is the most important issue of our day. As others have said Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But you know clip clop horseshoes, deal with it, Bernie bro’s, trolling, unrealistic, stop being stubborn,get with the program....that’s great messaging.
So tired of this narrative. If I don't get what I want, I'm taking my ball and going home.
Sorry about the millions of people who are extremely progressive. You will alienate significantly more moderate voters by the DNC adopting these positions, though.
Complain about the messaging all you want, sorry your fee fees got hurt. But it's not about falling in line.
It's about facing the reality of the situation. The reality is, Bernie lost, and you can choose to support Biden or you can choose to support tRUmp. Those are the options.
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think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
There's no comparing the process of state primaries to a one day general election. This feels like a troll statement, not a serious one.
I’m just tired of the anti Bernie, deal with it sentiment. Sorry there are millions of people that support an extremely progressive platform. Some of those people may sit out the election if they don’t feel that there is some compromise that they can get behind. A majority of those millions do indeed feel that if Joe wants their vote he needs to prove that he will be about more than a safe incremental change. If not we are facing 2016 again, not because of Bernie and his supporters aren’t falling in line, but because the DNC won’t just “deal with it” and admit that they need to take a more drastic position. If Biden loses to Trump after the pathetic handling of corona virus Democrats and Joe won’t be able to blame “berniebros” or Bernie. You want the millions of votes that the progressive left can provide, The best way isn’t to say ok get out of our way and get over your political beliefs because we think Trump is the most important issue of our day. As others have said Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But you know clip clop horseshoes, deal with it, Bernie bro’s, trolling, unrealistic, stop being stubborn,get with the program....that’s great messaging.
So tired of this narrative. If I don't get what I want, I'm taking my ball and going home.
Sorry about the millions of people who are extremely progressive. You will alienate significantly more moderate voters by the DNC adopting these positions, though.
Complain about the messaging all you want, sorry your fee fees got hurt. But it's not about falling in line.
It's about facing the reality of the situation. The reality is, Bernie lost, and you can choose to support Biden or you can choose to support tRUmp. Those are the options.
I can choose to gag and vote for Biden. I don’t think that crosses the line of support...at least I hope it’s seen as more of being against Trump or voting for the lesser evil.
think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
Agreed, it was foolish and selfish when there is no path.
By this logic if polling shows Trump to have a significant lead over Biden in say September would it be selfish for Biden to stay in the race and potentially make more people sick just so they could vote for him?
There's no comparing the process of state primaries to a one day general election. This feels like a troll statement, not a serious one.
I’m just tired of the anti Bernie, deal with it sentiment. Sorry there are millions of people that support an extremely progressive platform. Some of those people may sit out the election if they don’t feel that there is some compromise that they can get behind. A majority of those millions do indeed feel that if Joe wants their vote he needs to prove that he will be about more than a safe incremental change. If not we are facing 2016 again, not because of Bernie and his supporters aren’t falling in line, but because the DNC won’t just “deal with it” and admit that they need to take a more drastic position. If Biden loses to Trump after the pathetic handling of corona virus Democrats and Joe won’t be able to blame “berniebros” or Bernie. You want the millions of votes that the progressive left can provide, The best way isn’t to say ok get out of our way and get over your political beliefs because we think Trump is the most important issue of our day. As others have said Trump is a symptom, not the disease. But you know clip clop horseshoes, deal with it, Bernie bro’s, trolling, unrealistic, stop being stubborn,get with the program....that’s great messaging.
This is a defensible position, but your statement about ending the primaries now is silly compared to a general election statement. Bernie has to win every state going forward at 60% of the vote in order to overtake Biden. And every state that he doesn't clip 60% raises that number. It was 53% before this past Tuesday. That's impossible so long as Biden is alive. So raising money and opening polls, sending out workers, driving turnout is irresponsible when the chances are essentially 0%.
Thinking back to 2016 and thinking ahead to 2020, if we know a system is designed in a way that's only conducive to two parties, and if we know we have issues with the candidates, could we not find a way to gather sentiments at the time of voting? Like a "vote under duress" checkbox or something, so that at least statistically, we can indicate dissent, while still doing the socially responsible thing of getting Trump gone.
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Thinking back to 2016 and thinking ahead to 2020, if we know a system is designed in a way that's only conducive to two parties, and if we know we have issues with the candidates, could we not find a way to gather sentiments at the time of voting? Like a "vote under duress" checkbox or something, so that at least statistically, we can indicate dissent, while still doing the socially responsible thing of getting Trump gone.
We are stuck with this constitution and it’s nearly impossible to change, especially with provisions concerning elections. Republicans and red states know that it favors them and they’ll never give up their home field advantages.
Biden got a ton more delegates at this point than Hillary and faced more competition. Even more votes than president trump at this point. It’s absurd and insulting for the pro Bernie crowd to say this is 2016 all over again. Bernie got hammered.
the Bernie crowd has 2 choices, acknowledge they got routed by Biden, join the process and help beat trump. Or whine and cry and help trump get a solidly conservative court til all the millennials have grandkids and they’ll never see any progressive changes. Then when they’re old and more susceptible to deadly viruses they’ll understand the power of the Court and how long those trump judges get to serve.
Having trump give millennials the middle finger for 40 years almost makes it worthwhile to vote trump. Hmmmm.
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Former
New York mayor Mike Bloomberg has decided to donate significant
components of his shuttered presidential campaign to the Democratic
Party, a historic bequest that includes an $18 million cash infusion to
organize for the general election in swing states.
The
decision, which exploits a provision in campaign finance law available
only to federal candidates, amounts to a shift in strategy for the
billionaire political activist, who had previously promised to personally fund ground staff and offices in six states through an independent expenditure effort.
He
now hopes that much of the same operation will be run through the state
and national Democratic Party, which would allow for it to directly
coordinate with the Democratic nominee, whom he expects to be former
vice president Joe Biden. An independent expenditure campaign is barred from such coordination.
“While
we considered creating our own independent entity to support the
nominee and hold the President accountable, this race is too important
to have many competing groups with good intentions but that are not
coordinated and united in strategy and execution,” Bloomberg’s campaign
wrote in a memo Friday to Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez.
“Since
Mike suspended his campaign and endorsed Joe Biden, the former vice
president now controls the race. It is critically important that we all
do everything we can to support our eventual nominee and scale the
Democratic Party’s general election efforts.”
To
accomplish the goal, Bloomberg will transfer cash remaining in his
presidential campaign account, which he donated, to the Democratic
National Committee’s Battleground Build-Up 2020 effort for use in the
general election. The money will allow the party to hire hundreds of
additional organizers, party officials say. Bloomberg also will transfer
the long-term leases he has signed on some offices in some swing states
to state Democratic parties.
Bloomberg’s
advisers plan to work with the DNC on shifting staff from his payroll
to the party. All personnel would have to reapply for their jobs, and
those hired by the party will be paid at DNC salary levels, according to
a party official. Bloomberg was previously paying $6,000 a month for
organizers, well above the market rates offered for other campaigns.
“Our
country is in crisis, and a change in presidential leadership is more
important now than ever to protect our families, our communities and our
economy,” Perez said in a statement. “With this transfer from the
Bloomberg campaign, Mayor Bloomberg and his team are making good on
their commitment to beating Donald Trump.”
But
the transition will be disruptive for hundreds of Bloomberg organizers
in swing states. They were previously told their jobs would continue
through the general election, but they now find themselves facing the
prospect of unemployment amid an economic crisis brought about by the
novel coronavirus pandemic.
Organizers
received an email Friday saying their jobs would end that day, though
they will continue to receive pay through April 7 and health benefits
through April 30.
“As
a token of our appreciation, we are offering you the opportunity to
keep your laptop and iPhone,” said one email from the Bloomberg campaign
to organizers. The email also noted that the value of the devices,
$1,400 or $1,700, depending on the laptop, will be counted as taxable
income.
Under
normal circumstances, federal rules allow individuals to give a maximum
of $355,000 per year to the DNC. The party has set up a Democratic
Grassroots Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee with state
parties, that allows wealthy individuals to give $865,000 in one year.
Bloomberg has already donated the maximum allowed to this account.
But
the new shift of resources means he is able to give more than 20 times
the maximum a donor can give to the national party in one year, because
of provisions that allow federal candidates to donate unlimited amounts
of leftover money to national and state parties as they wind down their
campaigns. This has effectively given Bloomberg a super-donor status
because he self-funded his White House bid.
Campaign finance experts said such a mass transfer of personal money was uncharted territory.
“This
has never, to my knowledge, been an issue before, because anybody other
than somebody worth multiple billions would want their money back even
if they self-funded,” said Charlie Spies, a campaign finance lawyer who served as counsel for Mitt Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign.
If
someone mounted a self-funded bid solely to evade the individual
contribution limit and donate leftover campaign funds to the party, that
would be considered a straw donation scheme, experts said.
But
Bloomberg is shuttering a real campaign effort, and his decisions point
to a loophole in the federal law that wealthy self-funded candidates
can exploit, experts said.
“I
think it’d be absolutely wrong to suggest that it’s a ploy to get
around the limits. . . . But it does suggest you could do that,” said
Beth Kingsley, a campaign finance lawyer at Harmon, Curran, Spielberg and Eisenberg. “It does seem that there ought to be limits the same way there’s an individual [contribution] limit.”
Although
Bloomberg’s plans to establish a new independent expenditure campaign
have been put on hold, his advisers continue to look at possible
vehicles for a media campaign to support the Democratic nominee later
this year. A super PAC he used in 2018 to support House candidates,
Independence USA, still exists, and he still has the capability to form a
new group.
Since
leaving the race earlier this month, Bloomberg has announced a broad
range of donations to the larger Democratic cause, including $2 million
for black voter registration and $2 million to Swing Left, which is
working to elect Democrats to Republican-held seats in 2020 up and down the ballot in 12 states.
During
his brief campaign, Bloomberg spent $225 million on television ads and
$46.9 million on anti-Trump digital ads, according to the campaign’s own
accounting. He spent more than $510 million on his campaign before
dropping out of the race, according to public records.
He
has previously committed at least $100 million to anti-Trump digital
advertising in swing states through November, along with at least $15
million more to expand voter registration and protect voter access
across the country.
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So why did Biden kick Bernie's ass with a fraction of the money?
i thought the same thing. But it always felt a little out of no where...
Then I started reading about the "Exit Polls" numbers and how the discrepancies seem to be a little weird.
::shrug:: Thing's that make you go......hmmmmm
BTW United Nations and The U.S. State Dept. says that a discrepancy in exit polls of more than 2% indicates fraud
------------------------- Here’s some of the evidence substantiating such a claim in a federal lawsuit:
Exit Polling Discrepancies
The evidence indicates the final election results do not match the exit polling data. A variance of 1-3% in the exit polling data has been deemed normal and acceptable for decades, worldwide and nationally. In this 2020 Democratic primary the exit polling variance is upwards of 3%, 8% and much higher depending upon which state.
So why did Biden kick Bernie's ass with a fraction of the money?
i thought the same thing. But it always felt a little out of no where...
Then I started reading about the "Exit Polls" numbers and how the discrepancies seem to be a little weird.
::shrug:: Thing's that make you go......hmmmmm
BTW United Nations and The U.S. State Dept. says that a discrepancy in exit polls of more than 2% indicates fraud
------------------------- Here’s some of the evidence substantiating such a claim in a federal lawsuit:
Exit Polling Discrepancies
The evidence indicates the final election results do not match the exit polling data. A variance of 1-3% in the exit polling data has been deemed normal and acceptable for decades, worldwide and nationally. In this 2020 Democratic primary the exit polling variance is upwards of 3%, 8% and much higher depending upon which state.
So... to consider this fraud, the following would have to be true...
1. Edison research demographic assumptions on their exit polls would have to have been dead on, rather than the more likely root that their base turnout models were wrong.
2. All of the Secretaries of State, compromising members of both parties, would have to had colluded to destroy ballots to negatively impact Sanders.
3. They decided to do this even though in at least the two most important states (MI and SC, the only ones I reviewed) had the exits matched the final vote, Biden would still have had a clear victory.
Both common sense and Occams Razor tell you it’s far more likely that Edison’s base assumptions were off. They don’t run exits at every polling station. In fact, I have never once seen one in my life.
So why did Biden kick Bernie's ass with a fraction of the money?
i thought the same thing. But it always felt a little out of no where...
Then I started reading about the "Exit Polls" numbers and how the discrepancies seem to be a little weird.
::shrug:: Thing's that make you go......hmmmmm
BTW United Nations and The U.S. State Dept. says that a discrepancy in exit polls of more than 2% indicates fraud
------------------------- Here’s some of the evidence substantiating such a claim in a federal lawsuit:
Exit Polling Discrepancies
The evidence indicates the final election results do not match the exit polling data. A variance of 1-3% in the exit polling data has been deemed normal and acceptable for decades, worldwide and nationally. In this 2020 Democratic primary the exit polling variance is upwards of 3%, 8% and much higher depending upon which state.
So... to consider this fraud, the following would have to be true...
1. Edison research demographic assumptions on their exit polls would have to have been dead on, rather than the more likely root that their base turnout models were wrong.
2. All of the Secretaries of State, compromising members of both parties, would have to had colluded to destroy ballots to negatively impact Sanders.
3. They decided to do this even though in at least the two most important states (MI and SC, the only ones I reviewed) had the exits matched the final vote, Biden would still have had a clear victory.
Both common sense and Occams Razor tell you it’s far more likely that Edison’s base assumptions were off. They don’t run exits at every polling station. In fact, I have never once seen one in my life.
I wasn't advocating the validity... just saying it's floating around.
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With current events. Bernie should not step away...
Explain the rationale please.. Bernie should step away because there's no reasonable mathematical path. He still has the second more delegates so if something were to happen to Biden, then he would have the strongest argument of the other candidates.
So why did Biden kick Bernie's ass with a fraction of the money?
i thought the same thing. But it always felt a little out of no where...
Then I started reading about the "Exit Polls" numbers and how the discrepancies seem to be a little weird.
::shrug:: Thing's that make you go......hmmmmm
BTW United Nations and The U.S. State Dept. says that a discrepancy in exit polls of more than 2% indicates fraud
------------------------- Here’s some of the evidence substantiating such a claim in a federal lawsuit:
Exit Polling Discrepancies
The evidence indicates the final election results do not match the exit polling data. A variance of 1-3% in the exit polling data has been deemed normal and acceptable for decades, worldwide and nationally. In this 2020 Democratic primary the exit polling variance is upwards of 3%, 8% and much higher depending upon which state.
So... to consider this fraud, the following would have to be true...
1. Edison research demographic assumptions on their exit polls would have to have been dead on, rather than the more likely root that their base turnout models were wrong.
2. All of the Secretaries of State, compromising members of both parties, would have to had colluded to destroy ballots to negatively impact Sanders.
3. They decided to do this even though in at least the two most important states (MI and SC, the only ones I reviewed) had the exits matched the final vote, Biden would still have had a clear victory.
Both common sense and Occams Razor tell you it’s far more likely that Edison’s base assumptions were off. They don’t run exits at every polling station. In fact, I have never once seen one in my life.
I wasn't advocating the validity... just saying it's floating around.
Yeah it's floating around by people who are clinging to every single bullshit conspiracy theory they can find, even though the polls, the exit polls and the actual results show a landslide. Even the websites front page calls out that it makes no judgments. Now if the exits showed Bernie tied/ahead and the results are what they were, then yes that would be highly suspicious. But everything shows this analysis to be outside of the MOE, but nowhere near enough to change the results. I'm sorry, these people are just as blind as Trump supporters.
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With current events. Bernie should not step away...
Explain the rationale please.. Bernie should step away because there's no reasonable mathematical path. He still has the second more delegates so if something were to happen to Biden, then he would have the strongest argument of the other candidates.
well he IS a politician. So he would stay to take advantage politically of this crisis.
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I have news that many Americans are facing right now: my husband John has the coronavirus. We just got the test results at 7 a.m. this morning. While I cannot see him and he is of course cut off from all visitors, our daughter Abigail and I are constantly calling and texting and emailing. We love him very much and pray for his recovery. He is exhausted and sick but a very strong and resilient person.
John started to feel sick when I was in Minnesota and he was in Washington D.C. and like so many others who have had the disease, he thought it was just a cold. Yet he immediately quarantined himself just in case and stopped going to his job teaching in Baltimore. He kept having a temperature and a bad, bad cough and when he started coughing up blood he got a test and a chest X-ray and they checked him into a hospital in Virginia because of a variety of things including very low oxygen levels which haven’t really improved. He now has pneumonia and is on oxygen but not a ventilator.
While this is his story and not mine, I wanted to let my colleagues and constituents know that since John and I have been in different places for the last two weeks and I am outside the 14-day period for getting sick, my doctor has advised me to not get a test. As everyone is aware, there are test shortages for people who need them everywhere and I don’t qualify to get one under any standard.
I love my husband so very much and not being able to be there at the hospital by his side is one of the hardest things about this disease.
I hope he will be home soon. I know so many Americans are going through this and so much worse right now. So I hope and pray for you, just as I hope you will do for my husband. Meanwhile I am working in the Senate to get help to the American people.
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With current events. Bernie should not step away...
Explain the rationale please.. Bernie should step away because there's no reasonable mathematical path. He still has the second more delegates so if something were to happen to Biden, then he would have the strongest argument of the other candidates.
1 reason.... This crappy 2 party system has created a deadlocked bloated corrupted system. The DNC has shown over and over again to be just a different shade of Republican with donors ruling over the needs of the people. Biden's voting record is proof of that. The blind can even see that
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Instead of name calling them maybe consider there is a valuable lesson to be learned.
Biden needs to build his organization, raise funds, and focus the attack on Republicans and trump.
Giving sanders one more day the ability to attack ANY other democrat only helps trump win and possibly gets us a Republican supreme court for 40 years. You'll never see any Sanders pie in the sky policy if that happens or at least until everyone on this forum is grandparent age.
Bernie needs to drop out and support Biden
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I thought for sure she was going to muck things up by running 3rd party
This was a smart thing for her to do
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well he needs to get on with it then.
everything with Bernie is 'we need it now!'
think about the number of (mostly elderly) voters who had to unnecessarily congregate in tight spaces last Tuesday.
How many more people got sick because of Bernie's selfishness?
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Sorry about the millions of people who are extremely progressive. You will alienate significantly more moderate voters by the DNC adopting these positions, though.
Complain about the messaging all you want, sorry your fee fees got hurt. But it's not about falling in line.
It's about facing the reality of the situation. The reality is, Bernie lost, and you can choose to support Biden or you can choose to support tRUmp. Those are the options.
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Biden got a ton more delegates at this point than Hillary and faced more competition. Even more votes than president trump at this point. It’s absurd and insulting for the pro Bernie crowd to say this is 2016 all over again. Bernie got hammered.
the Bernie crowd has 2 choices, acknowledge they got routed by Biden, join the process and help beat trump. Or whine and cry and help trump get a solidly conservative court til all the millennials have grandkids and they’ll never see any progressive changes. Then when they’re old and more susceptible to deadly viruses they’ll understand the power of the Court and how long those trump judges get to serve.
Former New York mayor Mike Bloomberg has decided to donate significant components of his shuttered presidential campaign to the Democratic Party, a historic bequest that includes an $18 million cash infusion to organize for the general election in swing states.
The decision, which exploits a provision in campaign finance law available only to federal candidates, amounts to a shift in strategy for the billionaire political activist, who had previously promised to personally fund ground staff and offices in six states through an independent expenditure effort.
He now hopes that much of the same operation will be run through the state and national Democratic Party, which would allow for it to directly coordinate with the Democratic nominee, whom he expects to be former vice president Joe Biden. An independent expenditure campaign is barred from such coordination.
“While we considered creating our own independent entity to support the nominee and hold the President accountable, this race is too important to have many competing groups with good intentions but that are not coordinated and united in strategy and execution,” Bloomberg’s campaign wrote in a memo Friday to Democratic Party Chairman Tom Perez.
“Since Mike suspended his campaign and endorsed Joe Biden, the former vice president now controls the race. It is critically important that we all do everything we can to support our eventual nominee and scale the Democratic Party’s general election efforts.”
To accomplish the goal, Bloomberg will transfer cash remaining in his presidential campaign account, which he donated, to the Democratic National Committee’s Battleground Build-Up 2020 effort for use in the general election. The money will allow the party to hire hundreds of additional organizers, party officials say. Bloomberg also will transfer the long-term leases he has signed on some offices in some swing states to state Democratic parties.
Behind the scenes in the Bloomberg campaign.
Bloomberg’s advisers plan to work with the DNC on shifting staff from his payroll to the party. All personnel would have to reapply for their jobs, and those hired by the party will be paid at DNC salary levels, according to a party official. Bloomberg was previously paying $6,000 a month for organizers, well above the market rates offered for other campaigns.
“Our country is in crisis, and a change in presidential leadership is more important now than ever to protect our families, our communities and our economy,” Perez said in a statement. “With this transfer from the Bloomberg campaign, Mayor Bloomberg and his team are making good on their commitment to beating Donald Trump.”
But the transition will be disruptive for hundreds of Bloomberg organizers in swing states. They were previously told their jobs would continue through the general election, but they now find themselves facing the prospect of unemployment amid an economic crisis brought about by the novel coronavirus pandemic.
Organizers received an email Friday saying their jobs would end that day, though they will continue to receive pay through April 7 and health benefits through April 30.
“As a token of our appreciation, we are offering you the opportunity to keep your laptop and iPhone,” said one email from the Bloomberg campaign to organizers. The email also noted that the value of the devices, $1,400 or $1,700, depending on the laptop, will be counted as taxable income.
Under normal circumstances, federal rules allow individuals to give a maximum of $355,000 per year to the DNC. The party has set up a Democratic Grassroots Victory Fund, a joint fundraising committee with state parties, that allows wealthy individuals to give $865,000 in one year. Bloomberg has already donated the maximum allowed to this account.
But the new shift of resources means he is able to give more than 20 times the maximum a donor can give to the national party in one year, because of provisions that allow federal candidates to donate unlimited amounts of leftover money to national and state parties as they wind down their campaigns. This has effectively given Bloomberg a super-donor status because he self-funded his White House bid.
Campaign finance experts said such a mass transfer of personal money was uncharted territory.
“This has never, to my knowledge, been an issue before, because anybody other than somebody worth multiple billions would want their money back even if they self-funded,” said Charlie Spies, a campaign finance lawyer who served as counsel for Mitt Romney’s 2008 presidential campaign.
If someone mounted a self-funded bid solely to evade the individual contribution limit and donate leftover campaign funds to the party, that would be considered a straw donation scheme, experts said.
But Bloomberg is shuttering a real campaign effort, and his decisions point to a loophole in the federal law that wealthy self-funded candidates can exploit, experts said.
“I think it’d be absolutely wrong to suggest that it’s a ploy to get around the limits. . . . But it does suggest you could do that,” said Beth Kingsley, a campaign finance lawyer at Harmon, Curran, Spielberg and Eisenberg. “It does seem that there ought to be limits the same way there’s an individual [contribution] limit.”
The Federal Election Commission does not have a voting quorum currently and cannot conduct official business, such as providing guidance on this matter.
Although Bloomberg’s plans to establish a new independent expenditure campaign have been put on hold, his advisers continue to look at possible vehicles for a media campaign to support the Democratic nominee later this year. A super PAC he used in 2018 to support House candidates, Independence USA, still exists, and he still has the capability to form a new group.
Since leaving the race earlier this month, Bloomberg has announced a broad range of donations to the larger Democratic cause, including $2 million for black voter registration and $2 million to Swing Left, which is working to elect Democrats to Republican-held seats in 2020 up and down the ballot in 12 states.
During his brief campaign, Bloomberg spent $225 million on television ads and $46.9 million on anti-Trump digital ads, according to the campaign’s own accounting. He spent more than $510 million on his campaign before dropping out of the race, according to public records.
He has previously committed at least $100 million to anti-Trump digital advertising in swing states through November, along with at least $15 million more to expand voter registration and protect voter access across the country.
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Then I started reading about the "Exit Polls" numbers and how the discrepancies seem to be a little weird.
::shrug:: Thing's that make you go......hmmmmm
BTW United Nations and The U.S. State Dept. says that a discrepancy in exit polls of more than 2% indicates fraud
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Here’s some of the evidence substantiating such a claim in a federal lawsuit:
Exit Polling Discrepancies
The evidence indicates the final election results do not match the exit polling data. A variance of 1-3% in the exit polling data has been deemed normal and acceptable for decades, worldwide and nationally. In this 2020 Democratic primary the exit polling variance is upwards of 3%, 8% and much higher depending upon which state.
The evidence exists proving election fraud occurred in Super Tuesday’s elections and the first four states:
tdmsresearch.com/2020/03/02/south-carolina-2020-democratic-party-primary/
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1. Edison research demographic assumptions on their exit polls would have to have been dead on, rather than the more likely root that their base turnout models were wrong.
2. All of the Secretaries of State, compromising members of both parties, would have to had colluded to destroy ballots to negatively impact Sanders.
3. They decided to do this even though in at least the two most important states (MI and SC, the only ones I reviewed) had the exits matched the final vote, Biden would still have had a clear victory.
Both common sense and Occams Razor tell you it’s far more likely that Edison’s base assumptions were off. They don’t run exits at every polling station. In fact, I have never once seen one in my life.
I wasn't advocating the validity... just saying it's floating around.
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Statement from Senator Amy Klobuchar
I have news that many Americans are facing right now: my husband John has the coronavirus. We just got the test results at 7 a.m. this morning. While I cannot see him and he is of course cut off from all visitors, our daughter Abigail and I are constantly calling and texting and emailing. We love him very much and pray for his recovery. He is exhausted and sick but a very strong and resilient person.
John started to feel sick when I was in Minnesota and he was in Washington D.C. and like so many others who have had the disease, he thought it was just a cold. Yet he immediately quarantined himself just in case and stopped going to his job teaching in Baltimore. He kept having a temperature and a bad, bad cough and when he started coughing up blood he got a test and a chest X-ray and they checked him into a hospital in Virginia because of a variety of things including very low oxygen levels which haven’t really improved. He now has pneumonia and is on oxygen but not a ventilator.
While this is his story and not mine, I wanted to let my colleagues and constituents know that since John and I have been in different places for the last two weeks and I am outside the 14-day period for getting sick, my doctor has advised me to not get a test. As everyone is aware, there are test shortages for people who need them everywhere and I don’t qualify to get one under any standard.
I love my husband so very much and not being able to be there at the hospital by his side is one of the hardest things about this disease.
I hope he will be home soon. I know so many Americans are going through this and so much worse right now. So I hope and pray for you, just as I hope you will do for my husband. Meanwhile I am working in the Senate to get help to the American people.
Stay Safe!