Pearl Jam are activists for what they believe is wrong and right and we should be too. This is wrong what they've done and they've yet to make it right.
All they have to do is apologize and give us a timeline and then everything is good in my eyes unless they don't deliver when they said they would but I would give them the benefit of the doubt until that timeline passes.
They obviously believe that they should give us a timeline when to expect the new album and when they'll tour. Those things take months(sometimes years) to plan. I believe that if they had valuable information regarding the singles and DEEP that they would share it as they should.
Maybe the singles and DEEP are already planned. By now, they would have to know the frustration from us fans and the Ten Club and they should want to put a stop to it. I can't imagine that all 5 members of Pearl Jam simply forgot about the annual singles or DEEP. Regardless of how you feel about this conversation, this is not the way you should ever treat your biggest and most loyal fans.
I wonder if they even have a clue any of this is happening? I doubt any of them follow the fan club forums.
Time to pass out flyers like back in the day to get them to play Breath at MSG...Except this time the paper says "Where are our 2 already paid for and years late 10C singles? We will either need big pieces of paper of a small font.
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And I actually do think the possibility is pretty good that if threads like this didn't exist and no one said anything, that we'd never see the singles. At the very least let that last one count for 2017 and let 2016 just be a gap year.
Absolutely right. Threads like this have purpose and value. The reality is that the missing singles aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The other reality is that this band has demonstrated an utter lack of care and concern when it comes to their fan base. They give no shits about their obligations to us. We're asking them to fulfill those obligations and give 2 shits in the form of the missing singles. That's it. Nobody needs to be suing anyone. And nobody needs to defend the indefensible. The "sycophants" are no better than the "complainers" in this thread.
And I actually do think the possibility is pretty good that if threads like this didn't exist and no one said anything, that we'd never see the singles. At the very least let that last one count for 2017 and let 2016 just be a gap year.
Absolutely right. Threads like this have purpose and value. The reality is that the missing singles aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The other reality is that this band has demonstrated an utter lack of care and concern when it comes to their fan base. They give no shits about their obligations to us. We're asking them to fulfill those obligations and give 2 shits in the form of the missing singles. That's it. Nobody needs to be suing anyone. And nobody needs to defend the indefensible. The "sycophants" are no better than the "complainers" in this thread.
If the sycophant shoe fits, wear it with pride!
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
In other words, brown nosers who seem to think that they're doing 10c a service by coming to their defense at every turn, and probably believing that Santos will become their best friend, or the band will want to hang out and have coffee. Of course I know what the word means. i'm sorry you don't understand context. Why some of you can't allow people with legitimate frustrations to vent them without having to chime in is beyond me, but if you think your brown nosing of the club gets you brownie points, carry on.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
And I actually do think the possibility is pretty good that if threads like this didn't exist and no one said anything, that we'd never see the singles. At the very least let that last one count for 2017 and let 2016 just be a gap year.
Absolutely right. Threads like this have purpose and value. The reality is that the missing singles aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things. The other reality is that this band has demonstrated an utter lack of care and concern when it comes to their fan base. They give no shits about their obligations to us. We're asking them to fulfill those obligations and give 2 shits in the form of the missing singles. That's it. Nobody needs to be suing anyone. And nobody needs to defend the indefensible. The "sycophants" are no better than the "complainers" in this thread.
If the sycophant shoe fits, wear it with pride!
a person who acts obsequiously toward someone important in order to gain advantage.
In other words, brown nosers who seem to think that they're doing 10c a service by coming to their defense at every turn, and probably believing that Santos will become their best friend, or the band will want to hang out and have coffee. Of course I know what the word means. i'm sorry you don't understand context. Why some of you can't allow people with legitimate frustrations to vent them without having to chime in is beyond me, but if you think your brown nosing of the club gets you brownie points, carry on.
I doubt the singles or DEEP are going to be ready any time soon. The Ten Club is going to have to be very careful how they approach this because they have opened themselves up for lawsuits whether you agree with that or not. Good luck to them trying to sort out what needs to be sent and to whom.
They will have to give everyone a heads up well ahead of time to make sure their shipping information is correct. Then they'll have to go back and sort out what years of what need to be sent out. Some people have dropped their memberships or have changed from Analog to Digital. This could easily become a bigger mess than it currently is. The Ten Club have enough shipment and fulfillment issues without all of these factors.
Once again, communication would fix 99% of all this. They have until early next week to reply back to the Attorney General's office regarding the second complaint because in their words, " the promised adjustment has not been made." In addition, the Attorney General's office says, "If we do not receive a response from the business we will contact
you again with possible alternatives that may be available to you."
If the Attorney General's office believed that this kind of behavior was acceptable, they would've told me to scram. Instead they are trying to sort this out through the "informal complaint resolution process." In addition they've also said, "Your
detailed consumer complaint may assist us in identifying possible unfair
and deceptive business practices that may warrant further attention by
our office."
I probably shouldn’t have even opened this thread as I’ve had a few drinks...but WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON? Lawsuits?!? WHAT??? Come on. Is the band and 10c wrong here in not delivering a purchased product? Yes. Are PJ and 10c lacking in communication about it? Sure. But seriously is it that big a deal to wait longer? Come on. They will make it right in the end. I love vinyl and want what I paid for but I’m just not that worried about a couple of 7” records. Jesus. Relax everyone. We have a new album and tour coming. Enjoy it. You never know when it’s gonna end.
I doubt the singles or DEEP are going to be ready any time soon. The Ten Club is going to have to be very careful how they approach this because they have opened themselves up for lawsuits whether you agree with that or not. Good luck to them trying to sort out what needs to be sent and to whom.
They will have to give everyone a heads up well ahead of time to make sure their shipping information is correct. Then they'll have to go back and sort out what years of what need to be sent out. Some people have dropped their memberships or have changed from Analog to Digital. This could easily become a bigger mess than it currently is. The Ten Club have enough shipment and fulfillment issues without all of these factors.
Once again, communication would fix 99% of all this. They have until early next week to reply back to the Attorney General's office regarding the second complaint because in their words, " the promised adjustment has not been made." In addition, the Attorney General's office says, "If we do not receive a response from the business we will contact
you again with possible alternatives that may be available to you."
If the Attorney General's office believed that this kind of behavior was acceptable, they would've told me to scram. Instead they are trying to sort this out through the "informal complaint resolution process." In addition they've also said, "Your
detailed consumer complaint may assist us in identifying possible unfair
and deceptive business practices that may warrant further attention by
our office."
I wouldn't be surprised if they just sent the physical single to all members of the club from those years, regardless of analog or digital. I believe that's what they did in 95 when the 94 single was skipped. They just sent everyone in 95 the double, regardless if they were a member in 94 or not.
I'll say it again: There may be an excuse for the Ten Club's failure to perform its end of the contract it made with us, but there's no excuse for the way it has been handled. It makes you wonder if the band even has any idea what's going on. Can you imagine how much of this aggravation could have been eased if, say, Mike had posted a statement or a video saying, "Hey guys. Things have been crazy for us these past few years. We're all in different places, and some things have happened that definitely knocked us for a loop. But we hear you and we're committed to get you what we promised you, but we don't want it to be just a formality. We want it to be worth the far-too-long wait. Bear with us and we promise we'll get you what you're owed and you'll dig it. We appreciate your support and we value your commitment to our band."?
JB is most definitely in the right. Having said that, I don't think it's worth my 10c number to formally fight it. Gotta pick your battles and all that, and I'd rather have good concert seats.
You don't think that complaining to the AG, FTC, BBB, etc. and threatening a class action lawsuit won't get you kicked out of the fan club? If one of my customers (that's what we are to the 10c) did that to me, I would make things right and then tell them I don't want their business anymore.
I could not imagine the Ten Club kicking me out because I'm asking legitimate questions. I could understand if what I was saying was frivolous or completely made up but I'm not the only one expressing concerns over this. They've had opportunities to make this right and they've chosen to not do so. I've been a member since 1996 so my number is low. If they want to kick me out then so be it. We have rights as consumers whether the Ten Club likes it or not.
Hopefully they don't kick you out, but it's more than asking questions by getting the AG involved. I'm just saying that this is a real possibility here, and not worth it to me. I speak louder by not buying anything from their store. We do have rights, yes, but we also are simply numbers to them; they don't need us at this point in their careers.
Doesnt apply to everyone but a lot of us can appreciate that whilst frustrating we will eventually get them but there must be some who just signed up for 2017 and 2018 and paid $100 (international) and come away with 2 crap t shirts and 2 bootleg codes. This definitely needs addressing. Due to location my number and the ticket lottery means nothing to me. Even the Vault is not exclusive anymore.
Dont get me wrong we should continue to keep talking about it and question 10c on these but lawsuits is not the way to go in my opinion. These kind of things often just mean we might not get nice things again although Im sure they will be happy to sell us stuff.
I could not imagine the Ten Club kicking me out because I'm asking legitimate questions. I could understand if what I was saying was frivolous or completely made up but I'm not the only one expressing concerns over this. They've had opportunities to make this right and they've chosen to not do so. I've been a member since 1996 so my number is low. If they want to kick me out then so be it. We have rights as consumers whether the Ten Club likes it or not.
The seats you've had with a 1996 number and you're going to go nuclear over 2 7"s that we all know will show up eventually? Hall of Fame level cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If an AG (Whatever that is, like the swedish konsumentverket I guess) comes to the conclusion this aint lawfully okey - then that is on tenclub. Not the member.
Would be petty remove someone because of it. They should take a hint and strive to be lawful instead.
It's not like the Guns N Roses case where the fan leaked a bunch of songs and got banned from their concerts.
But I also get the pettyness.
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http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
www.headstonesband.com
In other words, brown nosers who seem to think that they're doing 10c a service by coming to their defense at every turn, and probably believing that Santos will become their best friend, or the band will want to hang out and have coffee. Of course I know what the word means. i'm sorry you don't understand context. Why some of you can't allow people with legitimate frustrations to vent them without having to chime in is beyond me, but if you think your brown nosing of the club gets you brownie points, carry on.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
www.headstonesband.com
I'll say it again: There may be an excuse for the Ten Club's failure to perform its end of the contract it made with us, but there's no excuse for the way it has been handled. It makes you wonder if the band even has any idea what's going on. Can you imagine how much of this aggravation could have been eased if, say, Mike had posted a statement or a video saying, "Hey guys. Things have been crazy for us these past few years. We're all in different places, and some things have happened that definitely knocked us for a loop. But we hear you and we're committed to get you what we promised you, but we don't want it to be just a formality. We want it to be worth the far-too-long wait. Bear with us and we promise we'll get you what you're owed and you'll dig it. We appreciate your support and we value your commitment to our band."?
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
Dont get me wrong we should continue to keep talking about it and question 10c on these but lawsuits is not the way to go in my opinion. These kind of things often just mean we might not get nice things again although Im sure they will be happy to sell us stuff.
Would be petty remove someone because of it. They should take a hint and strive to be lawful instead.
It's not like the Guns N Roses case where the fan leaked a bunch of songs and got banned from their concerts.
But I also get the pettyness.