Can we set up a class action lawsuit? It really is pretty shitty that this has taken so long....I spent that money years ago!
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To forgive without ever receiving an apology or explanation? All they have to do is communicate which is all I've been asking for.
I understand some don't care over the $30-$40 but it's the principle behind it that matters to me... This is my favorite band and has been for the past 26 years. How about some respect?
When I brought up a lawsuit last year, as a joke mind you, I was warned by moderators that they will not tolerate threats to the band and that I better watch what I say. They would rather threaten their paying customers rather than just give them real information.
Can we set up a class action lawsuit? It really is pretty shitty that this has taken so long....I spent that money years ago!
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We must develop and maintain the capacity to forgive. He who is devoid of the power to forgive is devoid of the power to love. There is some good in the worst of us and some evil in the best of us. When we discover this, we are less prone to hate our enemies.
To forgive without ever receiving an apology or explanation? All they have to do is communicate which is all I've been asking for.
I understand some don't care over the $30-$40 but it's the principle behind it that matters to me... This is my favorite band and has been for the past 26 years. How about some respect?
I'm not a religious person, but I understand forgiveness comes after remorse and repentance and a change of the behavior for which one is being forgiven. I've seen neither remorse nor a change in behavior by the band or 10c, so forgiveness may be premature here.
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This got me fired up again. I was the one that sent the original consumer complaint to the Washington State Attorney General's office. I wasn't happy with the response but I do respect that they responded. I don't believe it was honest and there was no apology given except to those that have expressed frustration. Tim Bierman said that they don't have to send anything in a timely manner as this wasn't part of the deal. It's been 4 months since that last exchange. The next day it was sent out in the monthly newsletter that they were in production. We haven't heard anything since regarding the singles or DEEP.
In the past 4 months, how many new items have Pearl Jam and the Ten Club advertised for us to purchase?
I don't think a lawsuit is the answer unless they don't ever send anything. I don't know what rules they have to play by or how long they can hold out on sending our items. I replied back to the original Attorney General's office to ask these questions. I got an almost immediate response from them saying that they have forwarded my message to the Ten Club and have asked for an official response in the next seven days. The Ten Club doesn't have to respond. I didn't ask for them to contact the Ten Club again but I will post it on the board if it becomes available. I'm not sure why the Attorney General's office didn't just answer my questions but they think its serious enough that they are getting somewhat involved in this once again.
All I'm asking for is some well deserved communication. I agree with the above post, "I understand forgiveness comes after remorse and repentance and a change of the behavior...."
In the past 4 months, how many new items have Pearl Jam and the Ten Club advertised for us to purchase?
What does one have to do with the other?
For all we know they picked the next 10 vaults out 8 years ago. Whos to say they didn't address the singles when they were doing the album in the Fall? We know they like to pop the holiday singles on us, whos to say they aren't going out in the next few week after vaults ship?
I would take stone burping into a harmonica on the 45. I just want something. But having said that I just dropped over $500 to the ten club today. Your welcome PJ,
Also, I'm sorry that the $40 is such a hangup for you.
$40? Try $120.
It's not about the money. It's about RESPECT.
I came to $40 thinking the singles are about &10-$15 apiece and then whatever for the mags. I don’t factor the whole $60 towards them. Especially since they retail for much less a year or two later.
I'm not bitching (in this post, anyway) so keep the "$40 means so much to you" crap away from me. People have been asking what the 10c legally can and cannot do, so I thought I'd offer some insight.
Firstly, they need to establish when we'll receive our goods. These used to be described as Annual Holiday Vinyl 45, so we have our time frame.
Now, if there are delays, then they are legally required to either get our approval to wait, or refund us in full. They must get our approval each time they go past the revised shipping date.
The 10c doesn't need us, as they can sell out arenas without us no problem. We’re probably more of a burden on them than anything at this point. But we need them for first chance at concert tickets, and as far as I can tell, that is the only reason to still be in the 10c anymore. Hell, it's the reason I joined in the first place almost 25 years ago. They know that we need them, and feel that they can crap all over us because of this. That is why we are pissed. Not because of $40.
We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.
to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.
Have some perspective, you bunch of Karens. Once you get your missing consumer goods, you'll still feel empty inside.
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If nothing else. Our subscription and lack of singles has provided a lot of entertainment in this thread. I dont know what Im going to do when they do finally arrive and this thread is over. Maybe reminisce about the good old days when they did a fanclub single. I can see why everyone is annoyed and its taken the shine off something that was once great.
Have some perspective..... I live in Washington State. I haven't and will not bitch about them not playing Seattle on this tour. The main reason most are in the club is for the chance to get concert tickets. I'm not complaining about any of that. I just want some communication regarding the singles and DEEP. Why is that such a hard request to make without getting chastised? I've been a fan club member since 1996. I've purchased the holiday singles that were sent before I was a member and I paid good money for them to have the whole set. The holiday singles were once a magical thing. Now it just feels like a burden to the band. There used to be a connection between the fans and the fan club when the fan club wasn't just a burden to the band. Now the fan club has turned into an online retail store.
The lack of communication proves that the band doesn't care. Sure, maybe they have had a hard time but they still have obligations that they are not fulfilling, by choice. I'm not asking for the singles and DEEP to be delivered to me right now. I'm only asking for communication and RESPECT from a band that I look up to. The respect used to be there.
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For all we know they picked the next 10 vaults out 8 years ago.
Whos to say they didn't address the singles when they were doing the album in the Fall?
We know they like to pop the holiday singles on us, whos to say they aren't going out in the next few week after vaults ship?
Such a Trumpian tactic! Those CADS!
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to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.
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