Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

brianlux

Here's a question ponder for about 60 seconds (because there really are more important things going on in the world):  How aware of this business of not coming through with the singles are the members of Pearl Jam?  Do these guys have any clue about all this or are they too well insulated from the fan club?  (Or uninterested in it.  The only time I've heard Ed mention the fan club is on one of the show videos I've seen and he sounded rather embarrassed to say the words "fan club". )   I wonder if they know jack about all this.

*Ding*  Timer just went off. 

FR181798

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

 there's zero reason to expect anything different. 

Have some faith in people.

A lot of people have paid their hard earned money to 10c in good faith that they would get the fanclub singles. These have failed to materialize. Also lets be honest, we will probaby get the 2017 fanclub single in 2020, its got to the point of being utterly ridiculous.

Abe Froman

brianlux said:

Here's a question ponder for about 60 seconds (because there really are more important things going on in the world):  How aware of this business of not coming through with the singles are the members of Pearl Jam?  Do these guys have any clue about all this or are they too well insulated from the fan club?  (Or uninterested in it.  The only time I've heard Ed mention the fan club is on one of the show videos I've seen and he sounded rather embarrassed to say the words "fan club". )   I wonder if they know jack about all this.

*Ding*  Timer just went off. 

If the band is unaware then the 10C is not doing their job to inform their employers of  poor business practice leading to disgruntled fans.  My guess is the band is aware and just doesn't really give a fuck.  It all does seem a bit weird though.  PJ has always treated the fans well IMO so it seems strange that they wouldn't care about getting something cool out to paying members on vinyl.  Not to mention the bands love for vinyl.  Maybe they have something cool planned for these last two 45s?!?  Unfortunately, I highly doubt it as they just dont seem that interested in PJ right now.  Which brings the question, if they dont have something a little extra planned for these last two why cant they just slap a couple of unreleased live songs or demos together and be done with it?  

Again, the whole situation seems very strange to me.  It has been way too long to not get these out.

FR181798

Its the sheer scale of the matter. How many analog members in 2017 & 2018. Must have given the 10c bank account a little bit of a boost.

Zod

FR181798 said:

Its the sheer scale of the matter. How many analog members in 2017 & 2018. Must have given the 10c bank account a little bit of a boost.

Hopefully they didn't spend it to cover operating costs in those years, and need to find an alternate money source to pay for the pressing

In all seriousness.  After the comment a few newsletters ago, I'm pretty sure they'll come out.   It does seem they got relegated to the backburner more and more every year (hence why they were discontinued).    I'm not happy about the delay, but I do figure they'll show up eventually.

FR181798

Zod said:

FR181798 said:

Its the sheer scale of the matter. How many analog members in 2017 & 2018. Must have given the 10c bank account a little bit of a boost.

Hopefully they didn't spend it to cover operating costs in those years, and need to find an alternate money source to pay for the pressing

In all seriousness.  After the comment a few newsletters ago, I'm pretty sure they'll come out.   It does seem they got relegated to the backburner more and more every year (hence why they were discontinued).    I'm not happy about the delay, but I do figure they'll show up eventually.

Yeah I dont think there is any doubt that we will get them eventually. Its just the fact that we shouldnt just have to wait for them to eventually turn up.

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

 there's zero reason to expect anything different. 

Have some faith in people.

What doesn’t having faith in people have to do with getting something for free? I have faith they will eventually deliver on the missing 2 singles. But why would anyone expect they are getting something more?
Reminds me when the vinyl box set came out. It was one of the few times I was actually on when a new drop came and it was an easy pass for me. I was fact shocked when it sold out so fast. Then we saw how everyone was expecting autographed copies or something ridiculous, and complained when they arrived exactly as described and people were just selling them to get their money back at that point.

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

 there's zero reason to expect anything different. 

Have some faith in people.

What doesn’t having faith in people have to do with getting something for free? I have faith they will eventually deliver on the missing 2 singles. But why would anyone expect they are getting something more?
Reminds me when the vinyl box set came out. It was one of the few times I was actually on when a new drop came and it was an easy pass for me. I was fact shocked when it sold out so fast. Then we saw how everyone was expecting autographed copies or something ridiculous, and complained when they arrived exactly as described and people were just selling them to get their money back at that point.

You don't seem to have read the chain of comments - who have said anything about getting anything for free?

You are alo misrepresenting the truth in your post regarding the box set.

People were expecting the boxset to have vinyls made for that boxset - and not be a hotchpotch of various versions from a dusty shelf - with wear damage (like 3-4 of the albums had in my box, having to have replacement covers sent - never have had to ask for that before) - with some being in plastic wrappings and some not etc.

Just compare it to other box sets released through history and try to understand what people could expect - instead of creating this false narrative to shit on other fans.

That box set was cheap (but way expensive) shit.

Joostone

Ok, my renewal is coming up. And there is still NO news about the membership details. What will I get for my membership next year? They still owe me 2 singles, and what about thjs year?? I was a paying member, and it was announced that there will be no vinyl for 2019. Ok, but what did I got? I've paid 50$ for 2019 and got nothing....

Wow, I mean WOW

tdawe

deadendp said:

The National Cherry Tree album will probably be in my hands by the end of the year. It's an LP. It will be issued the very same year as the membership. It also came with a slew of other goodies. 

Yes, I realize that their fanbase is not that of PJ, but I have to say that I believe that the band is definitely just as busy. 

The National put out an album (their second in about a year and a half) and toured US and Europe all year.

pjl44

Joostone said:

Ok, my renewal is coming up. And there is still NO news about the membership details. What will I get for my membership next year? They still owe me 2 singles, and what about thjs year?? I was a paying member, and it was announced that there will be no vinyl for 2019. Ok, but what did I got? I've paid 50$ for 2019 and got nothing....

Wow, I mean WOW

https://help.pearljam.com/hc/en-us/articles/205285910-Membership-Levels?mobile_site=true

deadendp

tdawe said:

deadendp said:

The National Cherry Tree album will probably be in my hands by the end of the year. It's an LP. It will be issued the very same year as the membership. It also came with a slew of other goodies. 

Yes, I realize that their fanbase is not that of PJ, but I have to say that I believe that the band is definitely just as busy. 

The National put out an album (their second in about a year and a half) and toured US and Europe all year.

As well as a slew of side projects. 

Poncier

Joostone said:

Ok, my renewal is coming up. And there is still NO news about the membership details. What will I get for my membership next year? They still owe me 2 singles, and what about thjs year?? I was a paying member, and it was announced that there will be no vinyl for 2019. Ok, but what did I got? I've paid 50$ for 2019 and got nothing....

Wow, I mean WOW

Did you not get the T-Shirt?

mace1229

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

 there's zero reason to expect anything different. 

Have some faith in people.

What doesn’t having faith in people have to do with getting something for free? I have faith they will eventually deliver on the missing 2 singles. But why would anyone expect they are getting something more?
Reminds me when the vinyl box set came out. It was one of the few times I was actually on when a new drop came and it was an easy pass for me. I was fact shocked when it sold out so fast. Then we saw how everyone was expecting autographed copies or something ridiculous, and complained when they arrived exactly as described and people were just selling them to get their money back at that point.

You don't seem to have read the chain of comments - who have said anything about getting anything for free?

You are alo misrepresenting the truth in your post regarding the box set.

People were expecting the boxset to have vinyls made for that boxset - and not be a hotchpotch of various versions from a dusty shelf - with wear damage (like 3-4 of the albums had in my box, having to have replacement covers sent - never have had to ask for that before) - with some being in plastic wrappings and some not etc.

Just compare it to other box sets released through history and try to understand what people could expect - instead of creating this false narrative to shit on other fans.

That box set was cheap (but way expensive) shit.

That was exactly what was said in this chain, that if they would replace the single with something else in fact you were t he one who said you think something is in the works to surprise us as we speak. So I did read it, not sure why you were so over-dramatic about this.  No way they will. Analog is now paying $40 for basically the same thing, except a “free” shirt that is garbage and a “free” digital download.

i remember the box set differently. Not trying to create a false narrative, just adding my comment. A little dramatic isn’t it?

I just remember whole arguments being it’s so expensive, there must be something else to it or why would it cost so much. People were saying Boom was going to hand deliver it for that price (they were joking obviously, but stating there must be something else to it.) You could literally buy all the albums at the time for $200-$250 new on Amazon and other places, why is this set $500? Didn’t it come out when the last reissues were announced? And other reissues were still for sale in the shop, it seemed obvious to me that it was just going to contain the same vinyl available everywhere else with a nice little letter saying you bought it from the 10c that I guess made it  worth the extra $250.

bootlegger10

deadendp said:

tdawe said:

deadendp said:

The National Cherry Tree album will probably be in my hands by the end of the year. It's an LP. It will be issued the very same year as the membership. It also came with a slew of other goodies. 

Yes, I realize that their fanbase is not that of PJ, but I have to say that I believe that the band is definitely just as busy. 

The National put out an album (their second in about a year and a half) and toured US and Europe all year.

As well as a slew of side projects. 

The National are still hungry and wanting to create. They are like McCready.  McCready is ready to go and if PJ isn’t going he is out there doing his own thing.  

Spiritual_Chaos

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

 there's zero reason to expect anything different. 

Have some faith in people.

What doesn’t having faith in people have to do with getting something for free? I have faith they will eventually deliver on the missing 2 singles. But why would anyone expect they are getting something more?
Reminds me when the vinyl box set came out. It was one of the few times I was actually on when a new drop came and it was an easy pass for me. I was fact shocked when it sold out so fast. Then we saw how everyone was expecting autographed copies or something ridiculous, and complained when they arrived exactly as described and people were just selling them to get their money back at that point.

You don't seem to have read the chain of comments - who have said anything about getting anything for free?

You are alo misrepresenting the truth in your post regarding the box set.

People were expecting the boxset to have vinyls made for that boxset - and not be a hotchpotch of various versions from a dusty shelf - with wear damage (like 3-4 of the albums had in my box, having to have replacement covers sent - never have had to ask for that before) - with some being in plastic wrappings and some not etc.

Just compare it to other box sets released through history and try to understand what people could expect - instead of creating this false narrative to shit on other fans.

That box set was cheap (but way expensive) shit.

That was exactly what was said in this chain, that if they would replace the single with something else in fact you were t he one who said you think something is in the works to surprise us as we speak. So I did read it, not sure why you were so over-dramatic about this.  No way they will. Analog is now paying $40 for basically the same thing, except a “free” shirt that is garbage and a “free” digital download.

i remember the box set differently. Not trying to create a false narrative, just adding my comment. A little dramatic isn’t it?

I just remember whole arguments being it’s so expensive, there must be something else to it or why would it cost so much. People were saying Boom was going to hand deliver it for that price (they were joking obviously, but stating there must be something else to it.) You could literally buy all the albums at the time for $200-$250 new on Amazon and other places, why is this set $500? Didn’t it come out when the last reissues were announced? And other reissues were still for sale in the shop, it seemed obvious to me that it was just going to contain the same vinyl available everywhere else with a nice little letter saying you bought it from the 10c that I guess made it  worth the extra $250.

I'm paying X our of 50 for a single, replacing that X is not getting anything free. It's replacing X.

Just being dramatic because I've been watching the impeachment hearings. 

Regarding the box set -- I stand by my reporting.

MisterEtake2

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm paying X our of 50 for a single, replacing that X is not getting anything free. It's replacing X.

I look at it a little differently.  I am paying X out of $50 for a single delivered within a reasonable period of time.  Let's say that reasonable period is a year.  Now that the single has not been delivered for a few years, there should be some form of compensation for that.  See time value of money in any introductory economics or finance class.

Spiritual_Chaos

MisterEtake2 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm paying X our of 50 for a single, replacing that X is not getting anything free. It's replacing X.

I look at it a little differently.  I am paying X out of $50 for a single delivered within a reasonable period of time.  Let's say that reasonable period is a year.  Now that the single has not been delivered for a few years, there should be some form of compensation for that.  See time value of money in any introductory economics or finance class.

But the discussion had in this instance was with what (if anything) would replace the single going forward, or if tenclub will just take that extra margin - as in, it resulting in a price hike of the membership.

It was removed from the discussion of the singled from earlier years being late.

MisterEtake2

Spiritual_Chaos said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

I'm paying X our of 50 for a single, replacing that X is not getting anything free. It's replacing X.

I look at it a little differently.  I am paying X out of $50 for a single delivered within a reasonable period of time.  Let's say that reasonable period is a year.  Now that the single has not been delivered for a few years, there should be some form of compensation for that.  See time value of money in any introductory economics or finance class.

But the discussion had in this instance was with what (if anything) would replace the single going forward, or if tenclub will just take that extra margin - as in, it resulting in a price hike of the membership.

It was removed from the discussion of the singled from earlier years being late.

My bad.  I did not read the whole discussion.  This whole thing with the singles has been a bit of a sore spot for me.

FR181798

Joostone said:

Ok, my renewal is coming up. And there is still NO news about the membership details. What will I get for my membership next year? They still owe me 2 singles, and what about thjs year?? I was a paying member, and it was announced that there will be no vinyl for 2019. Ok, but what did I got? I've paid 50$ for 2019 and got nothing....

Wow, I mean WOW

If you paid for analog in 2019 then you should have got the 2019 t shirt, they didnt cancel Deep so you should also get a physical copy of that but they havent delivered Deep 2017 or 2018 yet so could be a while on that. Apart from that there is no difference in the membership levels. Unless you desperately want these 2 items each year you should move to Digital I guess.