Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
The more I think about Tim Bierman's response, the more I question why I am a fan club member. Good point on2legs. The Ten Club announced the pre-sale of the Vault #9 vinyl in August. They say "We hope to begin shipping in Winter 2019". It also says, *Actual Artwork TBA.
Regarding the annual singles, Tim Bierman's response says, "We
are in the process of producing these items and they will be delivered
in due time". He also says, "But because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there
is not an exact date we can provide to the customers".
What is the difference between these 2 items?I know the Ten Club isn't giving an exact date for Vault #9 but how can they give some time frame for an item that hasn't been purchased yet but not for multiple items that have been paid for years ago? Both are vinyl records.
I find it comical that Pearl Jam were the Record Store Day Ambassadors of 2019.
So quit. Christ with the melodrama.
Well there is an actual likely answer to the question in any case. For the Vault, all they have to consider is production - they would have a timeline for the art (which are basically stock along with old photos) and a time estimate coming from the manufacturers. For the singles, they are waiting on actual material. There is a huge difference.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
The Washington AG's office is one of many across the country working together on an antitrust investigation of Google. When they're not finding out what's going on with unfulfilled record orders, that is.
The more I think about Tim Bierman's response, the more I question why I am a fan club member. Good point on2legs. The Ten Club announced the pre-sale of the Vault #9 vinyl in August. They say "We hope to begin shipping in Winter 2019". It also says, *Actual Artwork TBA.
Regarding the annual singles, Tim Bierman's response says, "We
are in the process of producing these items and they will be delivered
in due time". He also says, "But because of the nature of creating vinyl records, there
is not an exact date we can provide to the customers".
What is the difference between these 2 items?I know the Ten Club isn't giving an exact date for Vault #9 but how can they give some time frame for an item that hasn't been purchased yet but not for multiple items that have been paid for years ago? Both are vinyl records.
I find it comical that Pearl Jam were the Record Store Day Ambassadors of 2019.
So quit. Christ with the melodrama.
Well there is an actual likely answer to the question in any case. For the Vault, all they have to consider is production - they would have a timeline for the art (which are basically stock along with old photos) and a time estimate coming from the manufacturers. For the singles, they are waiting on actual material. There is a huge difference.
bingo
also, god knows ho many shows they've flagged for vaults. It could have been decided 10 years ago. Or the band said, you guys decide, we don't care.
Tim Bierman said they are in the process of producing the items so I'm assuming they have something to work with. Wouldn't it be fair to let us know where they are in the process with some detail? For all we know they've only talked about that they owe us the singles and haven't done a damn thing since. He said they are in the process so that sounds like they are actively working on them.
My point more or less was that both are vinyl and creating the vinyl isn't the issue like Tim blamed it on.
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Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Imagine the meeting where the supervisor is assigning people to follow up on complaints:
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Tim Bierman said they are in the process of producing the items so I'm assuming they have something to work with. Wouldn't it be fair to let us know where they are in the process with some detail? For all we know they've only talked about that they owe us the singles and haven't done a damn thing since. He said they are in the process so that sounds like they are actively working on them.
My point more or less was that both are vinyl and creating the vinyl isn't the issue like Tim blamed it on.
The buck stops with PJ.
I am 99.999% certain this has to do with 10c having nothing to work with because the artwork needs to be done/approved by the band and songs have to be chosen and delivered by the band. And that is what Tim B describes as "creating a vinyl". Getting the band to actually deliver on their part.
Just look at the Do The Evolution Music Video book - it has been written and been finished for some time. But needs final approval from the band.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Imagine the meeting where the supervisor is assigning people to follow up on complaints:
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
Ha...exactly. I guarantee it was one in a stack given to some poor Gonzaga Law intern.
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Imagine the meeting where the supervisor is assigning people to follow up on complaints:
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
And think of all complaints that doesn't even reach them because company men just take whatever bullshit gets thrown their way without questioning it.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Tim Bierman said they are in the process of producing the items so I'm assuming they have something to work with. Wouldn't it be fair to let us know where they are in the process with some detail? For all we know they've only talked about that they owe us the singles and haven't done a damn thing since. He said they are in the process so that sounds like they are actively working on them.
My point more or less was that both are vinyl and creating the vinyl isn't the issue like Tim blamed it on.
The buck stops with PJ.
I am 99.999% certain this has to do with 10c having nothing to work with because the artwork needs to be done/approved by the band and songs have to be chosen and delivered by the band. And that is what Tim B describes as "creating a vinyl.
Just look at the Do The Evolution Music Video book - it has been written and been finished for some time. But needs final approval from the band.
On this, we agree. It's been a problem getting worse for like 15 years.
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Imagine the meeting where the supervisor is assigning people to follow up on complaints:
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
And think of all complaints that doesn't even reach them because company men just take whatever bullshit gets thrown their way without questioning it.
Yes, so much other inconsequential tripe that they are spared of dealing with thanks to proper judgment
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Imagine the meeting where the supervisor is assigning people to follow up on complaints:
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
And think of all complaints that doesn't even reach them because company men just take whatever bullshit gets thrown their way without questioning it.
Yes, so much other inconsequential tripe that they are spared of dealing with thanks to proper judgment
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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I’d much rather the band devote energy to the new album.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Darwinspeed, all.
Cheers,
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i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
You need to cut and paste definitions of words like “self-righteous” if you want fit in around here! 😜
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Dude wrote a state AG's office over late fulfillment of a rock band fan club benefit. If you can't take the piss out of that, I don't know what to tell ya.
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
You need to cut and paste definitions of words like “self-righteous” if you want fit in around here! 😜
Are ye madferit?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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A better complaint to the AG would have been that the band hasn’t put out a new album in 6 years.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Dude wrote a state AG's office over late fulfillment of a rock band fan club benefit. If you can't take the piss out of that, I don't know what to tell ya.
Nothing sadder than fans feeling the need to put down and be condescending towards other fans, for caring about issues regarding the club.
It's like Derry in here. On the 27th year.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
The state AG's office is who handles consumer complaints. I am a consumer. I have a valid complaint. You don't have to agree nor do you have to worry about other valid complaints being overlooked.
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The state AG's office is who handles consumer complaints. I am a consumer. I have a valid complaint. You don't have to agree nor do you have to worry about other valid complaints being overlooked.
Just curious... what is the disposition of your complaint? Is the AG taking any action against the ten club?
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Dude wrote a state AG's office over late fulfillment of a rock band fan club benefit. If you can't take the piss out of that, I don't know what to tell ya.
Nothing sadder than fans feeling the need to put down and be condescending towards other fans, for caring about issues regarding the club.
It's like Derry in here. On the 27th year.
Wherein "caring about issues" manifests as obnoxiously filing a formal complaint with the state
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Dude wrote a state AG's office over late fulfillment of a rock band fan club benefit. If you can't take the piss out of that, I don't know what to tell ya.
i generally try not to take the piss out of anything. it's just funny how people rag on someone for caring so much about something as to complain about it, yet they care enough to take the piss out of someone caring about said thing.
i'm not really sure why people have to get so bent out of shape when someone has a complaint, whether they deem it valid or otherwise. if you agree with it, fine. if you don't, also fine, but you don't have to act all self-righteous in the process.
Dude wrote a state AG's office over late fulfillment of a rock band fan club benefit. If you can't take the piss out of that, I don't know what to tell ya.
Nothing sadder than fans feeling the need to put down and be condescending towards other fans, for caring about issues regarding the club.
It's like Derry in here. On the 27th year.
Wherein "caring about issues" manifests as obnoxiously filing a formal complaint with the state
What's obnoxious about it exactly?
You do know these singles have not been produced and delivered for like... 2 years now? Or is it even longer?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
There is no greater act of caring than a completely disproportionate attempt to fuck with the fan club of a rock band you claim to love. I want to see the order history of every person wringing their hands over this.
Just like I don't have to complain, you don't have to read my complaints. Did you think this thread was going to turn around to the sunshiny place you want it to be? I have every right to complain and these are all valid complaints.
Some Slack channel for Attorneys General must exist where they share all the goofy shit that comes across their desk. You've at least given hearty chuckles to some hard working public sector employees.
Does that exist?
This public employee says yes, absolutely. But that's in Canada.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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The Washington AG's office is one of many across the country working together on an antitrust investigation of Google. When they're not finding out what's going on with unfulfilled record orders, that is.
also, god knows ho many shows they've flagged for vaults. It could have been decided 10 years ago. Or the band said, you guys decide, we don't care.
”Ok Carl... you need to follow up on a complaint regarding an insurance company denying medical coverage to an elderly woman. And George... I need you to follow up on this poor guy who didn’t get his holiday single.”
I am 99.999% certain this has to do with 10c having nothing to work with because the artwork needs to be done/approved by the band and songs have to be chosen and delivered by the band. And that is what Tim B describes as "creating a vinyl". Getting the band to actually deliver on their part.
Just look at the Do The Evolution Music Video book - it has been written and been finished for some time. But needs final approval from the band.
I think everyone would be fine with that.
Cheers,
HFD
It's like Derry in here. On the 27th year.
people don't see the irony in that?
Cheers,
HFD
You do know these singles have not been produced and delivered for like... 2 years now? Or is it even longer?