Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too.
Are you a woman?
Nope. And that doesnt matter with what I said.
A couple of things:
1. It kinda does. It's pretty easy to say what you've said given you're a male. And pretty callous for anyone to tell a 24 year old woman (as an example) that she faces serious risk coming to full term with her unborn child that's a risk you're just gonna have to take (with a thought bubble over your head containing the words 'pshew... sure glad it's not me or my daughter!).
2. With regards to the late term abortion... it's tricky. I believe a woman should abort as early as possible; however, there are circumstances where later procedures are advisable (personal health... non viable pregnancy).
3. Financial instability is not a good reason for a late term procedure and if I'm reading correctly... this is not an accepted reason relevant to the bill.
Virtually no facility or doctor would abort a viable fetus after 24 weeks just because the mother was flaking. It just isn't happening.
I understand the desire to have "life or death" codified into the law, but medical decisions rarely work like that and would place an undue burden on physicians to make serious medical decisions for the patients.
Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too.
Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five. Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more.
I have you beat by five. Oh, you mean a bigger number is better. Never mind.
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I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want.
I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want.
I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
There are many reasons for late term abortions. The answer to your question is that, yes, if the fetus is that old and viable, and the mother can safely undergo a C-section, that is what will happen. The NY legislators wanted to send a clear message: government has no business in the decisions between a doctor and consent-capable adult. Unfortunately, the right-wing fear drill immediately goes to work and conjures FALSE images of brutality among a populace that (understandably) knows very little of medical practice.
I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want.
I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
It isn't the only option.
My reading of the material suggested that abortion was an option if the fetus was not viable and/or not going to survive outside the uterine environment, not that a viable fetus close to delivery would be aborted.
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Ohio governor signs ban on abortion after first heartbeat as smiling staff bring their children to watch historic moment - as opponents plan immediate constitutional challenge
Full blown war on women happening in the US again.... frankly, hardly any Americans really seem to care that much. Not in relative terms. Somehow, everything else TRUMPS women"s rights un America at the moment. IMO. Someone questioned my position that this war against women is equivalent to hate speech. I stand by that characterization 100% though, and can only feel frustration with those who will deny it. Meanwhile, the SCOTUS is being stacked against women too.
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Ohio governor signs ban on abortion after first heartbeat as smiling staff bring their children to watch historic moment - as opponents plan immediate constitutional challenge
Full blown war on women happening in the US again.... frankly, hardly any Americans really seem to care that much. Not in relative terms. Somehow, everything else TRUMPS women"s rights un America at the moment. IMO. Someone questioned my position that this war against women is equivalent to hate speech. I stand by that characterization 100% though, and can only feel frustration with those who will deny it. Meanwhile, the SCOTUS is being stacked against women too.
It is a war. And it is crazy. It is due to Trump's picks for SCOTUS, which have potentially tipped the scales in a way that states have decided they want to test things out again. Neither this law, nor the Texas death penalty for abortions law would have even been considered 10 years ago (or 5 years ago). This highlights the importance electing someone competent as president. Trump is doing considerable damage to the country with his court picks, not just SCOTUS, but at the various federal court levels.
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Ohio governor signs ban on abortion after first heartbeat as smiling staff bring their children to watch historic moment - as opponents plan immediate constitutional challenge
Full blown war on women happening in the US again.... frankly, hardly any Americans really seem to care that much. Not in relative terms. Somehow, everything else TRUMPS women"s rights un America at the moment. IMO. Someone questioned my position that this war against women is equivalent to hate speech. I stand by that characterization 100% though, and can only feel frustration with those who will deny it. Meanwhile, the SCOTUS is being stacked against women too.
It is a war. And it is crazy. It is due to Trump's picks for SCOTUS, which have potentially tipped the scales in a way that states have decided they want to test things out again. Neither this law, nor the Texas death penalty for abortions law would have even been considered 10 years ago (or 5 years ago). This highlights the importance electing someone competent as president. Trump is doing considerable damage to the country with his court picks, not just SCOTUS, but at the various federal court levels.
Ohio going out of its way to guarantee a lot of illegal and unsafe abortions, or forcing women to travel long distances to access safe abortion. Because if history tells us anything, it's that women continue to seek abortions even when they are illegal and risky.
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maybe this shit is why religious people should be barred from elected office..Dewine is catholic I believe.
maybe THEIR goal is to create more victims for priests to abuse.
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After shouting match breaks out, Alabama Senate reverses course and tables controversial abortion vote
After a fight broke out, the Alabama Senate on
Thursday voted to table a controversial bill to criminalize abortions by
making preforming the procedure a felony punishable by up to 99 years
imprisonment.
The bill, which appeared to pass by a vote of 23 to 6, was then tabled. Democrats shouted demands for a roll-call vote.
The
vote was then tabled until next week. The bill would be the most
restrictive in the country and would impose what is in effect a
near-total abortion ban.
Alabama
Rep. Terri Collins, who sponsored the bill, said its purpose is to
spark litigation that would force the conservative majority on the U.S.
Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that
guarantees a woman’s right to abortion.
Under the Alabama legislation, doctors will not be able to give abortions once a fetus is “in utero.”
The
version that passed in the statehouse only allowed for a single
exception — in cases involving a serious health risk “to the unborn
child’s mother.” An amendment added in the Senate would also provide for
exceptions in the case of rape or incest.That amendment wasthe subject of fierce debate on Thursday.
Gov.
Kay Ivey, who has described herself as “pro-life,” is expected to sign
the bill into law as soon as this week, although she has declined to
comment directly on the legislation until it was finalized.
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A couple of things:
1. It kinda does. It's pretty easy to say what you've said given you're a male. And pretty callous for anyone to tell a 24 year old woman (as an example) that she faces serious risk coming to full term with her unborn child that's a risk you're just gonna have to take (with a thought bubble over your head containing the words 'pshew... sure glad it's not me or my daughter!).
2. With regards to the late term abortion... it's tricky. I believe a woman should abort as early as possible; however, there are circumstances where later procedures are advisable (personal health... non viable pregnancy).
3. Financial instability is not a good reason for a late term procedure and if I'm reading correctly... this is not an accepted reason relevant to the bill.
You're a breeder Scruffy.
I understand the desire to have "life or death" codified into the law, but medical decisions rarely work like that and would place an undue burden on physicians to make serious medical decisions for the patients.
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I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
The answer to your question is that, yes, if the fetus is that old and viable, and the mother can safely undergo a C-section, that is what will happen.
The NY legislators wanted to send a clear message: government has no business in the decisions between a doctor and consent-capable adult.
Unfortunately, the right-wing fear drill immediately goes to work and conjures FALSE images of brutality among a populace that (understandably) knows very little of medical practice.
It isn't the only option.
My reading of the material suggested that abortion was an option if the fetus was not viable and/or not going to survive outside the uterine environment, not that a viable fetus close to delivery would be aborted.
https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-protest-2-4472155-Feb2019/
Supreme Court blocks Louisiana abortion law from taking effect. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/supreme-court-louisiana-abortion-kavanaugh-roberts/index.html
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Senate rejects "born-alive" bill as anti-abortion advocates reignite "late-term" abortion debate. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/born-alive-act-senate-rejects-born-alive-bill-anti-abortion-advocates-reignite-late-term-abortion-debate-2019-02-27/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e
http://www.fox5dc.com/news/texas-lawmakers-consider-the-death-penalty-for-abortion
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Meanwhile, the SCOTUS is being stacked against women too.
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F**king idiots.
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This is wrong.....
Georgia's governor signs a controversial abortion bill into law https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/07/health/georgia-abortion-bill/index.html
After shouting match breaks out, Alabama Senate reverses course and tables controversial abortion vote
After a fight broke out, the Alabama Senate on Thursday voted to table a controversial bill to criminalize abortions by making preforming the procedure a felony punishable by up to 99 years imprisonment.
The bill, which appeared to pass by a vote of 23 to 6, was then tabled. Democrats shouted demands for a roll-call vote.
The vote was then tabled until next week. The bill would be the most restrictive in the country and would impose what is in effect a near-total abortion ban.
Alabama is among more than two dozen states which have sought to impose new restrictions on abortion this year. Georgia on Tuesday became the sixth state to impose a ban on abortions after the sixth week of pregnancy.
Alabama Rep. Terri Collins, who sponsored the bill, said its purpose is to spark litigation that would force the conservative majority on the U.S. Supreme Court to reconsider Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that guarantees a woman’s right to abortion.
Under the Alabama legislation, doctors will not be able to give abortions once a fetus is “in utero.”
The version that passed in the statehouse only allowed for a single exception — in cases involving a serious health risk “to the unborn child’s mother.” An amendment added in the Senate would also provide for exceptions in the case of rape or incest. That amendment was the subject of fierce debate on Thursday.
Gov. Kay Ivey, who has described herself as “pro-life,” is expected to sign the bill into law as soon as this week, although she has declined to comment directly on the legislation until it was finalized.