The Concept of God

RYME

rgambs said:

Those are all just words.
Was he the yoke for those who were tortured in the Holocaust?

I'm sure that was a great comfort for them.
If there is a God, He needs to ask THEM for forgiveness.

Amazing.  I'm not talking down to you.  But seriously your going to blame God for the holocost and all the torcher involved?
I'm sure that you are far more college educated than I.  Did you see or read about the 1936 Olympics?  That was quite the closing ceremony wasn't it.

rgambs

RYME said:

rgambs said:

Those are all just words.
Was he the yoke for those who were tortured in the Holocaust?

I'm sure that was a great comfort for them.
If there is a God, He needs to ask THEM for forgiveness.

Amazing.  I'm not talking down to you.  But seriously your going to blame God for the holocost and all the torcher involved?
I'm sure that you are far more college educated than I.  Did you see or read about the 1936 Olympics?  That was quite the closing ceremony wasn't it.

Education has nothing to do with it, you can't claim "it's all part of His plan" and then say, "well except for the Holocaust, He must have been on vacation."

You are abdicating your responsibility to think rationally.

rgambs

FoxyRedLa said:

Did we already talk about "rib" meaning something else? Rib. I don't think rib is literally a bone.

Doesn't matter if it's literal of figurative, it is still clear: God made man, then God made woman from man.  
The subordination is clear, and it doesn't end there, it is explicit throughout the Bible.

rgambs

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

Never made any sense to me, at all.
Would you punish your daughter so you can forgive your son's transgressions?  No, because that makes no sense.
You forgive someone because they are sorry, plain and simple.
You don't punish someone else on their behalf, you don't make them use a special codeword and ask for forgiveness the right way.
Those are not decent behaviours, they are childish and capricious.

If God can look into our hearts and see that we are sorry, and he still punishes us because we didn't observe the proper ritual for forgiveness, that is bullshit.
It is also a cornerstone of the Christian faith.

RYME

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

Gern Blansten

RYME said:

rgambs said:

Those are all just words.
Was he the yoke for those who were tortured in the Holocaust?

I'm sure that was a great comfort for them.
If there is a God, He needs to ask THEM for forgiveness.

Amazing.  I'm not talking down to you.  But seriously your going to blame God for the holocost and all the torcher involved?
I'm sure that you are far more college educated than I.  Did you see or read about the 1936 Olympics?  That was quite the closing ceremony wasn't it.

I blame god for torture.  Absolutely.

If god is all powerful he could stop it.  If he doesn't want to stop it he is not worth praise.  If he can't stop it he isn't all powerful and is not worth praise.

HughFreakingDillon

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

people ask me why it bothers me when someone says "I pray for you". here is my answer: to say "I pray for you" to me is the same as saying "I pity you", like they somehow believe their life is better than mine without any actual knowledge, and/or think they have some power to make it better by just their thoughts. that's just one of the many problems I have with the arrogance of faith. part of it is, admittedly, bias, as I have been subjected to this nonsense for 20 years since my brother became born again. it is unbearable how he (and his wife and now-adult son who is probably going to be come a minister-he honestly creeps me out with how he doesn't seem to be able to think for himself in any way shape or form) talks like he "knows" what I need and that some magical being loves me and is my father. not to mention his views on homosexuality. 

this has been mentioned, but what is the use of prayer if god has no power of enactment?

HesCalledDyer

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

FoxyRedLa said:

The intention is not to minimize women, He values man and woman the same. He's described as a man.

What a selfish prick.  god even gets people to describe him as a man.  If believers turn out to be right I will be pissed off as I would prefer to spend eternity with an almighty beautiful woman. (you're welcome dyer)

Still isn't definitive, tho.

rgambs

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

What does that mean, for God to bless you?
Is it like a gift or a reward?
Are blessings given at random, by merit, or when they are asked for?
What does that mean for those who don't get blessed?

HesCalledDyer

God is male. God is spirit.  Man is god's image.  God is infinity.  God has no gender.

I'm confused now.  Which bathroom does god use?

FoxyRedLa

I believe God is the trinity, three forms. God is Spirit and as stated above I agree hasn't been described to have gender characteristics. Jesus in physical form, God revealed Himself as a man.

I do NOT believe wo-man is second to man. I'll choose literal. God took a rib from Adam, did not create Eve from dust as He did Adam. Man vs Woman created differently. Woman was originally made from man. Which leads to both genders were created actually the same. Which leads to two  make one. Which leads to female is not a different being and definitely not second to male - for God's sakes!! Eve was created to strengthen Adam. Eve is made from the same as Adam and is just as perfect of a creation. 

Woman was made from man, just as powerful and companion for man. Man and woman. Two halves. Flesh becomes one.

God is not evil.

Earth is not God's world.

HughFreakingDillon

FoxyRedLa said:

I believe God is the trinity, three forms. God is Spirit and as stated above I agree hasn't been described to have gender characteristics. Jesus in physical form, God revealed Himself as a man.

I do NOT believe wo-man is second to man. I'll choose literal. God took a rib from Adam, did not create Eve from dust as He did Adam. Man vs Woman created differently. Woman was originally made from man. Which leads to both genders were created actually the same. Which leads to two  make one. Which leads to female is not a different being and definitely not second to male - for God's sakes!! Eve was created to strengthen Adam. Eve is made from the same as Adam and is just as perfect of a creation. 

Woman was made from man, just as powerful and companion for man. Man and woman. Two halves. Flesh becomes one.

God is not evil.

Earth is not God's world.

she was created to strengthen adam, but then took him and the rest of civilization down. sounds like Adam 2.0 was a complete failure.

ponytd

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

people ask me why it bothers me when someone says "I pray for you". here is my answer: to say "I pray for you" to me is the same as saying "I pity you", like they somehow believe their life is better than mine without any actual knowledge, and/or think they have some power to make it better by just their thoughts. that's just one of the many problems I have with the arrogance of faith. part of it is, admittedly, bias, as I have been subjected to this nonsense for 20 years since my brother became born again. it is unbearable how he (and his wife and now-adult son who is probably going to be come a minister-he honestly creeps me out with how he doesn't seem to be able to think for himself in any way shape or form) talks like he "knows" what I need and that some magical being loves me and is my father. not to mention his views on homosexuality. 

this has been mentioned, but what is the use of prayer if god has no power of enactment?

It's not about pity. That has nothing to do with it. I get it though because unfortunately, there are people out there that say "I'll pray for you" when they do think they're better than you because they're a believer and you're not. But they're not and they're misguided in their faith. Think of it like someone saying have a nice day. When someone says that to you, do you automatically think "do they think they're having a better day than me?". No, you're more than likely going to say thanks and say it right back at them. For the majority of Christians, when they say "I'll pray for you for , It's more of a "I hope you get what you want, or what you're looking for, or that you find comfort if something bad has happened". Like if you have a big job interview coming up and someone says, oh, well I'll pray for you. They're more than likely just wishing you the best, that you'll ace it and get what you want. And I don't know your brother, so I can't say what his mindset is. I would HOPE, it's him just saying that he's wishing nothing but the best, but I don't know.

rgambs

ponytd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

people ask me why it bothers me when someone says "I pray for you". here is my answer: to say "I pray for you" to me is the same as saying "I pity you", like they somehow believe their life is better than mine without any actual knowledge, and/or think they have some power to make it better by just their thoughts. that's just one of the many problems I have with the arrogance of faith. part of it is, admittedly, bias, as I have been subjected to this nonsense for 20 years since my brother became born again. it is unbearable how he (and his wife and now-adult son who is probably going to be come a minister-he honestly creeps me out with how he doesn't seem to be able to think for himself in any way shape or form) talks like he "knows" what I need and that some magical being loves me and is my father. not to mention his views on homosexuality. 

this has been mentioned, but what is the use of prayer if god has no power of enactment?

It's not about pity. That has nothing to do with it. I get it though because unfortunately, there are people out there that say "I'll pray for you" when they do think they're better than you because they're a believer and you're not. But they're not and they're misguided in their faith. Think of it like someone saying have a nice day. When someone says that to you, do you automatically think "do they think they're having a better day than me?". No, you're more than likely going to say thanks and say it right back at them. For the majority of Christians, when they say "I'll pray for you for , It's more of a "I hope you get what you want, or what you're looking for, or that you find comfort if something bad has happened". Like if you have a big job interview coming up and someone says, oh, well I'll pray for you. They're more than likely just wishing you the best, that you'll ace it and get what you want. And I don't know your brother, so I can't say what his mindset is. I would HOPE, it's him just saying that he's wishing nothing but the best, but I don't know.

The sentiment may be as innocent as you say, but the language is not.

HughFreakingDillon

ponytd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

people ask me why it bothers me when someone says "I pray for you". here is my answer: to say "I pray for you" to me is the same as saying "I pity you", like they somehow believe their life is better than mine without any actual knowledge, and/or think they have some power to make it better by just their thoughts. that's just one of the many problems I have with the arrogance of faith. part of it is, admittedly, bias, as I have been subjected to this nonsense for 20 years since my brother became born again. it is unbearable how he (and his wife and now-adult son who is probably going to be come a minister-he honestly creeps me out with how he doesn't seem to be able to think for himself in any way shape or form) talks like he "knows" what I need and that some magical being loves me and is my father. not to mention his views on homosexuality. 

this has been mentioned, but what is the use of prayer if god has no power of enactment?

It's not about pity. That has nothing to do with it. I get it though because unfortunately, there are people out there that say "I'll pray for you" when they do think they're better than you because they're a believer and you're not. But they're not and they're misguided in their faith. Think of it like someone saying have a nice day. When someone says that to you, do you automatically think "do they think they're having a better day than me?". No, you're more than likely going to say thanks and say it right back at them. For the majority of Christians, when they say "I'll pray for you for , It's more of a "I hope you get what you want, or what you're looking for, or that you find comfort if something bad has happened". Like if you have a big job interview coming up and someone says, oh, well I'll pray for you. They're more than likely just wishing you the best, that you'll ace it and get what you want. And I don't know your brother, so I can't say what his mindset is. I would HOPE, it's him just saying that he's wishing nothing but the best, but I don't know.

I'll try to think of it like that going forward. thanks. 

KC138045

HesCalledDyer said:

God is male. God is spirit.  Man is god's image.  God is infinity.  God has no gender.

I'm confused now.  Which bathroom does god use?

And does he use the fly?  Does he sit or stand when he pees?

dignin

HesCalledDyer said:

God is male. God is spirit.  Man is god's image.  God is infinity.  God has no gender.

I'm confused now.  Which bathroom does god use?

Haha!

Annafalk

I don't understand how people can really believe that when we die we just die, and it's the end of it. It's hard for me to grasp.

ponytd

rgambs said:

ponytd said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

GG82556 said:

The best way to describe God is infinite. ∞
Almost everyone tries to label and box God into parameters they can understand.  He is the best definition of infinity.  Infinity can not be perceived to it's full extent, because we as living people can't comprehend the full concept of what God is.  I only use He/Father because that is how historically God has been referred to for thousands of years.  God has no gender I believe in the sense we can comprehend it.
And yes I do believe in God in the Christian belief.  Jesus died for my sins and the sins of all people.  I am born again.  I was once a sceptic/agnostic/atheist /doubter.  
As I learn more about Jesus/God/The Holy Ghost/The Bible the better I feel about my life and what will happen to me when I die.  I believe in miracles, I see them everyday.  Everyday I wake up with my wife the love of my life beside me is a small miracle.
The fact that I am not dead from all the stupid things I did when I was younger is a miracle.  I have a roof over my head, food in my belly, and a job that pays the bills and leaves me some extra money to occasionally buy things nobody really needs and I am able to contribute what I feel comfortable giving to my church on Sunday is a miracle.  I am very fortunate to have found a church full of some of the most wonderful people I've met.
I know my church isn't in it for the money, they are in it for what all Christians should be doing...  Spreading the gospel and hopefully gather new believers that will be saved liked I am now.  That is the essence of the Great Commission.  If I give my church money it is because I want to, not because they want me to.  I know where that money goes, my church is very transparent in where the money goes.  They have to pay for electricity/heat/ac/water/building maintenance/improvements, they also support many outside missionaries, and the people who help run the church as their full time job also need salaries.  This includes the Pastor, Associate Pastor, Secretary, Bookkeeper, and Maintenance/Janitorial staff.  my church also helps support many causes be it a Christian organization, or a hungry person who comes in asking for help with paying for a meal or place to stay.   I pray everyone can find a church as great as the one I have been able to join.
I know not all churches are good.  Some are greedy, teach false messages and have sketchy doctrine.  If your church is teaching a prosperity doctrine, or that by doing good works will get you a free ride into heaven run away!  Not everyone will find their rewards in this lifetime, we will only find our rewards when we have passed on.  I pray everyone can find the true message of God.  I am still learning how to be a better Christian and human being.

Sorry have to wrap this up it's getting late, and I should be asleep.  I pray you all will come know Jesus, the closer I get to him the better my life gets.

Here's a few of my favorite verses.
Romans 3:23
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of god.

John 3:16-17
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God; Not of works, lest any man should boast. 

Acts 3:19
Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out.

God Bless You GG.  And I pray that God Bless each and every one of you here regardless of your position.
 I have tried to pass some of this on here to as you might have seen.
GG has layed it out better than I have.
We just keep trying to fight the good fight.

people ask me why it bothers me when someone says "I pray for you". here is my answer: to say "I pray for you" to me is the same as saying "I pity you", like they somehow believe their life is better than mine without any actual knowledge, and/or think they have some power to make it better by just their thoughts. that's just one of the many problems I have with the arrogance of faith. part of it is, admittedly, bias, as I have been subjected to this nonsense for 20 years since my brother became born again. it is unbearable how he (and his wife and now-adult son who is probably going to be come a minister-he honestly creeps me out with how he doesn't seem to be able to think for himself in any way shape or form) talks like he "knows" what I need and that some magical being loves me and is my father. not to mention his views on homosexuality. 

this has been mentioned, but what is the use of prayer if god has no power of enactment?

It's not about pity. That has nothing to do with it. I get it though because unfortunately, there are people out there that say "I'll pray for you" when they do think they're better than you because they're a believer and you're not. But they're not and they're misguided in their faith. Think of it like someone saying have a nice day. When someone says that to you, do you automatically think "do they think they're having a better day than me?". No, you're more than likely going to say thanks and say it right back at them. For the majority of Christians, when they say "I'll pray for you for , It's more of a "I hope you get what you want, or what you're looking for, or that you find comfort if something bad has happened". Like if you have a big job interview coming up and someone says, oh, well I'll pray for you. They're more than likely just wishing you the best, that you'll ace it and get what you want. And I don't know your brother, so I can't say what his mindset is. I would HOPE, it's him just saying that he's wishing nothing but the best, but I don't know.

The sentiment may be as innocent as you say, but the language is not.

How so?

HesCalledDyer

KC138045 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

God is male. God is spirit.  Man is god's image.  God is infinity.  God has no gender.

I'm confused now.  Which bathroom does god use?

And does he use the fly?  Does he sit or stand when he pees?

Whatever he does, I hope he doesn't dribble on Soul's seat.