The Concept of God

PJ_Soul

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

Annafalk

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

Gern Blansten

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

RYME

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? God would be very mad at me for judging you. Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

oftenreading

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

Good. Because hell hath no fury like a bunny scorned. 

PJ_Soul

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't know anybody who believes in hell but not God. That wouldn't make any sense (I was being facetious btw).

PJ_Soul

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

I was just kidding - I didn't realize anyone would think that's a serious question, sorry.

HughFreakingDillon

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

no worries, man. it's all good. I meant no disrespect. It was more a comment on how everyone has their own interpretations of the rules, the highest of those in the church included. rules that no one can possibly know. I get faith. and respect it. But there is no "truth" that anyone on earth knows, just "belief". 

rgambs

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

You aren't going to germinate many of those seeds if you pass them off as truth when they are actually belief and faith.
There's a huge difference and the failure of your side to recognise that only widens the divide.

Annafalk

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

Well, at least they are kind. 

Gern Blansten

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? God would be very mad at me for judging you. Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

so you could be wrong regarding your beliefs....correct?

Gern Blansten

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

Well, at least they are kind. 

yes...no danger in getting your flesh ripped from your bones for eternity if you fail to believe in those guys

Annafalk

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

Well, at least they are kind. 

yes...no danger in getting your flesh ripped from your bones for eternity if you fail to believe in those guys

But I really don't think God would do that and you said you didn't believe in hell.

KC138045

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

"Well, I believe in the soul...the cock...the pussy... the small of a woman's back...the hangin' curveball... high fiber...good scotch...that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent overrated crap... I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.  I believe there ought to be a Constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter.  I believe in the sweet spot, soft core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.  Goodnight."

RYME

Gern Blansten said: hi

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? God would be very mad at me for judging you. Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

so you could be wrong regarding your beliefs....correct?
I believe that what I believe is true.
I don't have anything against people who believe otherwise. I don't know why my answers showed up in your quote,but it did

Gern Blansten

RYME said:

Gern Blansten said: hi

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? God would be very mad at me for judging you. Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

so you could be wrong regarding your beliefs....correct?
I believe that what I believe is true.
I don't have anything against people who believe otherwise. I don't know why my answers showed up in your quote,but it did

It's just confusing...you state that "anyone who tells you where you are going to end up is full of s***".  That doesn't suggest that you are too confident with your belief.  

RYME

Gern Blansten said:

RYME said:

Gern Blansten said: hi

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RYME said:

There has been so much disinformation out there, and so many theories, religions, denominations, variations lousy preachers, it's no wonder that there is so much confusion among many well intentioned people.
Baptism for example has been brought up here, and questioned rightfully so.
Baptism is basically a public showing of one's faith. It's a fine & good thing to do if you choose to, but it's not a necessary requirement for salvation. Here is your proof.
During the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, if you look at it, there were three crosses there.  Jesus in the center and two malfactors one on each side (criminals).  Right towards the end of this whole crusifiction process, when time was running out for all of them from hanging on the crosses.  One of the malfactors while hanging on his own cross, turned towards Jesus realized what was actually going on, and verbally repented to Jesus right then and there, asked for forgiveness and accepted Christ right there.  Jesus said "From this Day Forward You Will Be in Paradise With Me. Right on the spot.   You have to remember that Jesus is none other than God Himself in the flesh.  So this is a really big deal!
Jesus did (NOT) not say "Hey Stop Everything, Hold On,,, This Man Has To Be Baptized Before he Can Be Saved.". There is your proof that you do not need to be baptized in order to be accepted by our Lord Jesus.
John 3:16.  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believe in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Let's break this down a little shall we.
It says "WHO SO EVER".  It does not say only the baptized, it does not say
Only Fat White Men,. It doesn't say only Plummers.  It does not say only people who live in Ant Artica or only people north of the equator.
 It says WHO SO EVER believe it in Him.  That means you accept Him and repent, He will take You.  Jesus says that once He forgives you for something He does not even want you to bring it up again He forgives you and wants you to move on.
If you stick to God's word you really can't go wrong, you really can't.  But if you listen to traditions of men and all these churches have their own rules like divorcees have to sit in the back of the church.  And
Oh yes yes  my favorite,, they sing and sing and sing praise the lord, and but they can't wait to pass the
$-hat-$ around for donation$!!  By the way Jesus said if you're gonna teach My Word, don't bring a begging bag.  If they beg for money, I didn't send them."
You have a lot of one verse Charlie's those would be the ones who recite one Bible verse and then blow hot air for the next 45 minutes,, those you want to stay away from too. The only teachers of God's Word you should pay attention to if at all, are the ones who teach the Bible chapter by chapter and verse by verse.  And keep MAN out of it as much as possible.

see, this is what I like to see. someone who is a believer but can still see the hypocrisy in the church for doing all the things that jesus/god stated not to do. it bothers me to no end how the church has bastardized the original message for (seemingly) their own financial/political gain. 

I wonder.......I accepted jesus into my heart when i was but a wee lad when my parents sent us to bible camp. But now I don't believe. does that cross me off the list of getting past the Gates when I die if it all turns out to be real, or does the original spiritual transaction still hold?

Jesus said I will never leave you nor forsake you.  You might leave Him.  But He won't leave you.
Here is the thing, He Loves You.  He is not a ball of energy somewhere waiting to zap you. He understands the confusions of the world and how peoples beliefs can come and go. Jesus Himself is (long-suffering) that is to say he has lots of patience.  And yes sir he has time for you.

That is not an answer to the question, it is sidestepping the question.

doesn't matter. my question was worded somewhat tongue-in-cheek as it was more rhetorical than anything. 

This is a tough forum to be a believer in.   You can't say my comments don't go unchallenged.  But that's fine.  I just try to spread around seeds of truth hoping that some of it takes.  I know that most of it probably won't.
 I'm not the judge.  My answer to your question is, I think that you Hugh will do just fine.

So which ones of us are going to hell? Am I going to hell for being an Atheist? I have been told more than once before I was an Atheist that I'm going to hell just by not going to church, so I guess I'm definitely doomed now.

I don't know are you asking me? God would be very mad at me for judging you. Like I said I'm not here to condemn anyone I am not the judge. We all sail our own ship. Yourself is your ship you sail it wherever you want to that's fine I'll sail mine wherever I want to. I can certainly be buddies with atheists and agnostics that's fine Id love to have a beer with you all someday and watch a concert.  No I would not be sitting there judging you all. I'm a pretty nice guy.
No way am I going to stand here and tell you where you're going or what you're going to do that would be ridiculous. Anyone who tells you where are you are going to end up is full of s***.

so you could be wrong regarding your beliefs....correct?
I believe that what I believe is true.
I don't have anything against people who believe otherwise. I don't know why my answers showed up in your quote,but it did

It's just confusing...you state that "anyone who tells you where you are going to end up is full of s***".  That doesn't suggest that you are too confident with your belief.  

Because it's not up to this man or any man. Any person or preacher who tells you where you're going to end up has a major ego problem.
I believe that God is the judge.  And that you will have the opportunity to talk it over with Him when you get there.

Smellyman

It's the truth!  I believe.

brianlux

KC138045 said:

Gern Blansten said

Annafalk said:

Why do people believe in hell but not in God? 

I don't believe in hell or God.

But I do believe in the easter bunny.  And the tooth fairy.

"Well, I believe in the soul...the cock...the pussy... the small of a woman's back...the hangin' curveball... high fiber...good scotch...that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent overrated crap... I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.  I believe there ought to be a Constitutional amendment outlawing Astroturf and the designated hitter.  I believe in the sweet spot, soft core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas eve, and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.  Goodnight."

Right on, Crash.


And you better believe it, baby!

RYME

HughfreakingkDillon,
Thanks for bringing up this topic.  It's been fun.
 My goal was to be uplifting and a help to some of you that aren't real sure about what you believe.
I'm sure that some of you have heard that Christians are supposed to turn the other cheek.  That doesn't mean that if a Christian gets punched in the face, that he is supposed to turn the other cheek and let the guy hit him again.  That's not what it's taking about.
It's talking about people like me who want to share some of God's Word with people in hopes of helping people.  It means that if someone is trying to teach people about the Lord and all they are doing is pissing people off, or maby trying to hard to get  people to believe in the Lord.  
If that be the case,
(as in my case here). You (Meaning the one who is trying to teach) are supposed to turn the other cheek and walk away from the conversation, because it's not productive if all your doing is pissing people off.  I think it's time for me to turn the other cheek here.  I'll go back to talking about Music.